On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:23:20 PM Ted Gould wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 22:23 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 09:00:33 PM Ted Gould wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 21:01 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > > > Since shortly after Mark announced the global menu [1
On 24 July 2013 11:08, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:00:40 AM Daniel J Blueman wrote:
>> Perhaps we have two issues here:
>
>> The 20% additional download due to sources [1] would help both issues,
>> but perhaps of bigger impact, trusting the country-level mirror fo
Or 90/110K per day per computer for Precise. I guess what was getting
me is the additional 6-7MB during install or first update:
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/universe/source/ 4.8M/5.9M
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/ 912K/1.1M
On 24 July 2013 09:31, S
Perhaps we have two issues here:
- the download during installs or first index update is 6-7MB extra,
which makes a real difference when installing lots of computers
- downloads from security.ubuntu.com being slow (eg 1-5KB/s) as it's >500ms away
The 20% additional download due to sources [1] wou
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 03:46:10 AM Robie Basak wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 09:31:15PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > Before we run off and expend a lot more effort on this, I'd like to
> > see something other than handwaving that this is really is a
> > significant issue.
>
> [size co
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 09:31:15PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Before we run off and expend a lot more effort on this, I'd like to
> see something other than handwaving that this is really is a
> significant issue.
[size comparisions snipped]
My concern is latency, not size. How many round tr
On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 09:19:36 PM Scott Ritchie wrote:
> On 07/23/2013 12:02 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 06:59:43 AM Robie Basak wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 01:51:46AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >>> I think most developers would believe the current situ
On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 22:23 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 09:00:33 PM Ted Gould wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 21:01 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > > Since shortly after Mark announced the global menu [1] Kubuntu has shipped
> > > plasma-widget-menubar to provide t
On 07/23/2013 12:02 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 06:59:43 AM Robie Basak wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 01:51:46AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>> I think most developers would believe the current situation is
>>> appropriate.
>>
>> I disagree.
>>
>>> By default users
Total requests at start: 53
Bug #1194489 - A newer Debian revision is present in unstable, requested an
updated merge.
Bug #1204285 - Synced
https://code.launchpad.net/~nitink/ubuntu/saucy/ushare/bug-1044024 - Uploaded
after converting to a quilt patch.
https://code.launchpad.net/~obounaim/ub
On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:00:40 AM Daniel J Blueman wrote:
> Perhaps we have two issues here:
> The 20% additional download due to sources [1] would help both issues,
> but perhaps of bigger impact, trusting the country-level mirror for
> the security updates?
...
You aren't. Security up
On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 09:00:33 PM Ted Gould wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 21:01 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > Since shortly after Mark announced the global menu [1] Kubuntu has shipped
> > plasma-widget-menubar to provide this functionality [2] and not only for
> > Qt/KDE, but for Gtk apps
On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 21:01 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Since shortly after Mark announced the global menu [1] Kubuntu has shipped
> plasma-widget-menubar to provide this functionality [2] and not only for
> Qt/KDE, but for Gtk apps as well [3]. This has served us well on netbooks
> for
>
On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 08:21:40 AM Jordon Bedwell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Scott Kitterman
wrote:
> > Assuming add-apt-repository was installed by default, it's close. I think
> > something like this might be reasonable (imagine some policykit or
> > whatever it is called now
Since shortly after Mark announced the global menu [1] Kubuntu has shipped
plasma-widget-menubar to provide this functionality [2] and not only for
Qt/KDE, but for Gtk apps as well [3]. This has served us well on netbooks for
three years and I use it myself on a daily basis on a conventional la
Hi guys.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:42 PM, wrote:
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>1. Package testing - Xubuntu Team (Elfy)
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:00:27 +0100
> From: Elfy
> To: Xubuntu Development Discussio
51 at start
* Helped with problems/questions about python-django-piston
* LP: #1203958 (unity-china-photo-scope)
Reviewed, needs fixing
* LP: #1203931 (unity-china-video-scope)
Reviewed, needs fixing
* LP: #1201323 (sync python-webob and forward changes to debian)
52 at start
signatur
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Assuming add-apt-repository was installed by default, it's close. I think
> something like this might be reasonable (imagine some policykit or whatever it
> is called now magic here):
>
> $ sudo apt-get source hello
> Reading package lists
= Meeting Minutes =
[[http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/23/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt|IRC Log of
the meeting.]]
[[http://voices.canonical.com/kernelteam|Meeting minutes.]]
== Agenda ==
[[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting#Tues, 23 Jul, 2013|20130723
Meeting Agenda]]
=== ARM Status
Hello all,
During my patch pilot shift I reduced the queue from 77 to 47 today.
items:
various syncs
https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/saucy/empathy/lp1203955/+merge/176322:
merge, upload
https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/ubuntu/saucy/cheetah/lp1183634/+merge/176128:
upload
https
On 23.07.2013 12:09, Robie Basak wrote:
> It is provided by software-properties-common in more recent releases,
> and is seeded on server now. See bug 439566.
That is good to know. Given that my server installs are based on LTS
releases I only checked the latest LTS.
> All this is true, but you
On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 08:12:16 AM Robie Basak wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:02:02AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > So those are a couple of examples of what I think is definitely not what
> > we
> > want. I'm open to discussion about alternate ways to preserve easy access
> > to the s
On 23 July 2013 16:24, Andreas Moog wrote:
> On 23.07.2013 09:12, Robie Basak wrote:
> [...]
>> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
>> E: Type "add-apt-repository sources" to do this automatically for you.
>> $ sudo add-apt-repository sources
>> deb-src lines have been added to
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:24:31AM +0200, Andreas Moog wrote:
> andreas@j3515:~$ sudo add-apt-repository
> The program 'add-apt-repository' is currently not installed. You can
> install it by typing:
> sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
> andreas@j3515:~$
>
> add-apt-repository is no
Hi Daniel (2013.07.23_08:13:47_+0200)
> For the other 99% of users, where practicality is more important than
> immediate access to source, we end up wasting ~10% of Canonical and
> our mirror's bandwidth on the source updates.
Can you back that up with evidence? As I (and a few other people) have
On 23.07.2013 09:12, Robie Basak wrote:
[...]
> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
> E: Type "add-apt-repository sources" to do this automatically for you.
> $ sudo add-apt-repository sources
> deb-src lines have been added to your sources.list.
> Now type "apt-get update", and
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:02:02AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> So those are a couple of examples of what I think is definitely not what we
> want. I'm open to discussion about alternate ways to preserve easy access to
> the source.
How about:
$ sudo apt-get source hello
Reading package lis
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 01:51:46AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> I think most developers would believe the current situation is appropriate.
I disagree.
> By default users have the same access to source and binary packages and for a
> free software distribution, that is the ethically correct
(pardon the top-posting)
I think the slight reduction in ethics (relevant mainly to developers)
is a good trade to help deployability in the real world. We'll leave
sources enabled by default for development releases.
For the other 99% of users, where practicality is more important than
immediate
On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 06:59:43 AM Robie Basak wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 01:51:46AM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > I think most developers would believe the current situation is
> > appropriate.
>
> I disagree.
>
> > By default users have the same access to source and binary packages
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