Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-30 Thread Till Kamppeter
Is it reliable, fast, resource-saving? Does it display all files, also large and complex ones? Does it allow different output formats (screen, PNG, PostScript, CUPS Raster, PCL, ...)? Does it allow filling and saving forms? Probably it is a good idea for the future, but above features need to

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-30 Thread Jan Henke
Hi, would a JavaScript implementation help? pdf.js from Mozilla is available under the Apache v2 licence at github: https://github.com/mozilla/pdf.js/ Best Regards Jan Henke Am 29.05.2013 23:26, schrieb Till Kamppeter: On 05/21/2013 12:32 AM, Alexander Antimonov wrote: As both Poppler and

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-29 Thread Till Kamppeter
On 05/21/2013 12:32 AM, Alexander Antimonov wrote: As both Poppler and MuPDF are strong copylefted, question is if either of two may be turned into standard API for pdf rendering? Because doing so would require third-party apps be GPL compatible. Seems that someone needs to start writing a new

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-21 Thread Alexander Antimonov
Hi Paul, On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Paul Sladen ubu...@paul.sladen.org wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 01:25:12PM +0200, Till Kamppeter wrote: On a mobile device this is overkill. We need only one PDF renderer Is this just for the Phablet Core apps? Or to be part of the

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-20 Thread Till Kamppeter
On 05/18/2013 10:37 PM, Alexander Antimonov wrote: What exact testing do we want: render speed, memory consumption, robustness, supported features comparison, code quality, all of these and more? Cheers. Most importnt is resource consumption: disk space, RAM, CPU, battery. Does MuPDF

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-20 Thread Alexander Antimonov
Hi Till, On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 01:25:12PM +0200, Till Kamppeter wrote: ... The Ubuntu desktop uses Poppler for screen display and Ghostscript for printing. On a mobile device this is overkill. We need only one PDF renderer and also no PostScript interpreter as for printing we expect all apps

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-20 Thread Albert Astals Cid
On Friday 17 May 2013 15:40:56 Till Kamppeter wrote: Hi, Hi during my thoughts about the printing stack for Ubuntu Touch [1] I came to the conclusion that printing needs a PDF renderer to turn incoming PDF into the printer's language (PWG Raster, PostScript, PCL, ...) but a PDF renderer

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-20 Thread Martin Pitt
Steve Langasek [2013-05-18 0:17 -0500]: This doesn't sound accurate to me - I've used evince before (which is poppler based) to fill out PDF forms and save them. Maybe this should be checked? Yeah, I do that all the time. Saving back encrypted documents doesn't work, but one can always print

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-20 Thread Paul Sladen
On Sat, 18 May 2013, Alexander Antimonov wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-17 at 01:25:12PM +0200, Till Kamppeter wrote: On a mobile device this is overkill. We need only one PDF renderer Is this just for the Phablet Core apps? Or to be part of the generally-available standard API for third-party apps?

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-19 Thread Luke Yelavich
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:39:31PM EST, Oliver Grawert wrote: given that we want full convergence, which means using the same default core tools on the phone as well as on the desktop, is MuPDF ready to replace Poppler on the desktop ? Poppler also has a better accessibility story, in that it

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-18 Thread Till Kamppeter
On 05/18/2013 07:17 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: Hi Till, On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 01:25:12PM +0200, Till Kamppeter wrote: So Ghostscript is out of the question here as it is large and the PDF interpreter is written in PostScript. Poppler has the advantage of having a long history and so it

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 10:16:09AM +0200, Till Kamppeter wrote: On 05/18/2013 07:17 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 01:25:12PM +0200, Till Kamppeter wrote: So Ghostscript is out of the question here as it is large and the PDF interpreter is written in PostScript. Poppler

Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-17 Thread Till Kamppeter
Hi, during my thoughts about the printing stack for Ubuntu Touch [1] I came to the conclusion that printing needs a PDF renderer to turn incoming PDF into the printer's language (PWG Raster, PostScript, PCL, ...) but a PDF renderer needs already to be on a mobile device to make it able to display

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-17 Thread Oliver Grawert
hi, On Fr, 2013-05-17 at 13:25 +0200, Till Kamppeter wrote: Hi, during my thoughts about the printing stack for Ubuntu Touch [1] I came to the conclusion that printing needs a PDF renderer to turn incoming PDF into the printer's language (PWG Raster, PostScript, PCL, ...) but a PDF renderer

Re: Ubuntu Touch: Poppler or MuPDF as PDF renderer

2013-05-17 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Till, On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 01:25:12PM +0200, Till Kamppeter wrote: So Ghostscript is out of the question here as it is large and the PDF interpreter is written in PostScript. Poppler has the advantage of having a long history and so it should deal best with quirky files. MuPDF is