Re: cpufreqd as standard install?

2012-03-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 05:29:47PM -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: > You also need to remember that 3.4x the clock speed does not mean you > actually end up finishing your work 3.4x faster. Intel recommends > using the ondemand governor, so if you are claiming they are wrong, > and you save more po

Re: cpufreqd as standard install?

2012-03-08 Thread Phillip Susi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/08/2012 12:11 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > My i7 draws about 7W when fully loaded at 800MHz, and about 27W when > fully loaded at 2.7GHz. That's a 3.4x performance improvement at a > 3.9x power increase. So, naively, that does result in a fixed

Re: cpufreqd as standard install?

2012-03-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 11:22:04AM -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 3/8/2012 11:10 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >Yes, if those are the actual power figures. But they're typically not > >going to be. > > Can you be a little less vague and hand wavy? My i7 draws about 7W when fully loaded at 800MHz,

Re: cpufreqd as standard install?

2012-03-08 Thread Phillip Susi
On 3/8/2012 11:10 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: Yes, if those are the actual power figures. But they're typically not going to be. Can you be a little less vague and hand wavy? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://

Re: cpufreqd as standard install?

2012-03-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 11:03:42AM -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: > On 3/8/2012 9:47 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >This is (broadly speaking) untrue. There's a bunch of fixed costs that a > >naive P=IV² doesn't take into account. Assuming a fixed amount of work, > >race to idle is almost always the mos

Re: cpufreqd as standard install?

2012-03-08 Thread Phillip Susi
On 3/8/2012 9:47 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: This is (broadly speaking) untrue. There's a bunch of fixed costs that a naive P=IV² doesn't take into account. Assuming a fixed amount of work, race to idle is almost always the most power efficient strategy. What fixed costs? If you spend 5 seconds

Re: cpufreqd as standard install?

2012-03-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 09:39:34PM -0500, Phillip Susi wrote: > With correct frequency management, the lower power per instruction of > the lower frequencies outweighs the reduced time in the lower C > states. This is (broadly speaking) untrue. There's a bunch of fixed costs that a naive P=IV²