Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Blake Kaplan
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Why does it need to parse it differently depending on the mode? Since noembed is just hidden anyway, it really shouldn't matter how its content is parsed and parsing it like #PCDATA makes the most sense. At least in Gecko, we parse the contents of , , , and as CDATA wh

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > > > > .. > > Ok, but how is equivalent markup handled in XHTML, where parsing > obviously can't switch to CDATA? It's a parse error (parse errors are fatal in XML). As to how the

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-11-28 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote: How about this, or some variation of: Foo ... ... Interesting idea. I like the non-JS fallback potential. Pity about the being necessary to get the to disappear, but I guess we need that... I o

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Blake Kaplan wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: Why does it need to parse it differently depending on the mode? Since noembed is just hidden anyway, it really shouldn't matter how its content is parsed and parsing it like #PCDATA makes the most sense. At least in Gecko, we parse the contents of ,

Re: [whatwg] 1.2 scope

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Justin Kirby wrote: > > XUL is not proprietary. It is limited to a single implementation, but > that does not mean it is exclusive. The word proprietary indicates that > it is under exclusive control of an company. While this is true of Flash > and Macromedia, it is not true

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Simon Pieters wrote: > > > > > > > > ( is less efficient to implement because the UA has to > > > > wait til it knows what the content type is before it can know how > > > > to render the element.) > > > > > > Also when there's a type attribute? > > > > The attribute is only

[whatwg] 1.2 scope

2005-11-28 Thread Justin Kirby
XUL is not proprietary. It is limited to a single implementation, but that does not mean it is exclusive. The word proprietary indicates that it is under exclusive control of an company. While this is true of Flash and Macromedia, it is not true of XUL and Mozilla. Justin

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > > Simon Pieters wrote: > > Opera: > > If plugins are enabled, render all s and hide all s, and > > parse as CDATA. If plugins are disabled, hide all s and > > display all s, and parse as #PCDATA. > > Why does it need to parse it differently depending on

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Simon Pieters
Hi, From: Lachlan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why does it need to parse it differently depending on the mode? Since noembed is just hidden anyway, it really shouldn't matter how its content is parsed and parsing it like #PCDATA makes the most sense. I just observated what browsers do now. Perha

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Simon Pieters wrote: Opera: If plugins are enabled, render all s and hide all s, and parse as CDATA. If plugins are disabled, hide all s and display all s, and parse as #PCDATA. Why does it need to parse it differently depending on the mode? Since noembed is just hidden anyway, it really

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Simon Pieters
Hi, From: Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ( is less efficient to implement because the UA has to wait > > til it knows what the content type is before it can know how to render > > the element.) > > Also when there's a type attribute? The attribute is only a hint. So the hint is only for

Re: [whatwg] Throbber response to XMLHTTPRequest() activity

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, anko wrote: > > Basically it's a request that the throbber (loading symbol up the top > right of most modern browsers) should be active when XMLHTTPRequest is > receiving data. The idea is that the user stays informed when the > browser is waiting on network activity. As L

Re: [whatwg] Throbber response to XMLHTTPRequest() activity

2005-11-28 Thread Lachlan Hunt
anko wrote: Hi, It was suggested that someone email this list to see what you think about this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312418. ... Currently XMLHTTPRequest does not change the throbbers state and it is hard to know if an AJAX enabled website is doing anything. That

[whatwg] Throbber response to XMLHTTPRequest() activity

2005-11-28 Thread anko
Hi, It was suggested that someone email this list to see what you think about this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312418. Basically it's a request that the throbber (loading symbol up the top right of most modern browsers) should be active when XMLHTTPRequest is receiving d

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Simon Pieters wrote: > > > > Maybe, yeah, but I don't like having something that is -only; > > the idea is that , , and are case-specific > > versions of , so that you use , , or when > > you know what you want, and when you don't. > > (Although is different from in t

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Simon Pieters
Hi, From: Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What about only supporting raster images? If authors want vector > images then they could use instead. Maybe, yeah, but I don't like having something that is -only; the idea is that , , and are case-specific versions of , so that you use , , or wh

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Simon Pieters wrote: > > What about only supporting raster images? If authors want vector > images then they could use instead. Maybe, yeah, but I don't like having something that is -only; the idea is that , , and are case-specific versions of , so that you use , , or

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Simon Pieters
Hi, From: Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think for you want to only support image/* types (e.g. not text/plain or text/html, not sure about image/svg+xml either, since there is no difference between that and application/xhtml+xml); and you want to only show them for 200 (or 301-200). What

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Bicking
Ian Hickson wrote: The reason I suggested that we should allow for easy fallback onto is that for the menu-button use case, it's very easy to implement that kind of menu using (and is done often today), and so it would allow for a seamless fallback (if we do it right). But if you fall back

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Lachlan Hunt wrote: > > > 4. Replacing ad-hoc DHTML context menus with something more accessible, > >that doesn't necessarily replace the UA's own context menus. > > If the spec were to address this kind of menu, then it must not > completely override the UAs own context

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Ian Bicking wrote: > > I think isn't a very good basis for menus. Current (good) > DHTML menus are richer than selects allow for, with things like nested > menus. That can't be simulated with selects. Sure. As you point out, though, if the author is willing to do the leg

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Anne van Kesteren wrote: > > > > For you want to support all types, and you want to show the > > contents for all the response codes, but they should show inside the > > frame regardless of the type. > > Really? Wouldn't it be better to show the fallback content of the > e

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Anne van Kesteren
Quoting Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: http://zcorpan.1go.dk/test/html/embedded/ Are the pass conditions correct? Not sure, I haven't really worked out what that section should say yet. I think for you want to only support image/* types (e.g. not text/plain or text/html, not sure about i

Re: [whatwg] Test suite: Embedded content

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Simon Pieters wrote: > > I've created a test suite for , , / and > with the data types image/png, text/plain, text/html, > application/xml and application/x-shockwave-flash, with the HTTP > responces 200, 404, 410, 301 to 200, 301 to 404 and 301 to 410. > > http://zcorp

Re: [whatwg] Menus, fallback, and backwards compatibility: ideas wanted

2005-11-28 Thread Ian Bicking
Ian Hickson wrote: I'd really like to be able to fall back on the abuse, since it is easy to define how to make a menu from that, but I don't want to just put an attribute on the element to change its behaviour -- it's got to still be a , just one that happens to not be visible in new UAs, w

Re: [whatwg] hrefclass attribute ? -- semantics token reuse

2005-11-28 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, On 11/27/05, ROBO Design <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:28:49 +0200, Charles Iliya Krempeaux > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > This is kind of a follow up to a previous post of mine: > > > > rel/rev for ? > > http://listserver.dreamhost.com/pipermail/wh