[whatwg] The element's feedback

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Christoph P�per wrote: > > Simon Pieters: > > It was pointed out to me that the start='' attribute (and the corresponding > > DOM attribute) currently defaults to 1. This could, AFAICT, reaonably > > trivially be changed to make it depend on the direction of the list and the >

Re: [whatwg] The ins and del elements and comments thereon

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, timeless wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Some list item > > Another list item > > > > > > > > ...or: > > > > > > Some list item > > Another list item > > > >

Re: [whatwg] Minor event-source (SSE) modification

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Michael Carter wrote: > > Unfortunately, the current Server-sent Events specification provides no > way for a user of the event-source API to know the value of the > lastEventId, thus making it impossible to send an ACK out-of-band. We > have two proposals, either of which

Re: [whatwg] Feeedback on , , and other elements related to cross-references

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
Summary: I've made the title="" attribute on optional again. On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Jens Meiert wrote: > > > > The point of is to expand the acronym, not to just mark up what > > is an acryonym or abbreviation. > > Doesn't this claim that the general information that some text is an > abbrevia

[whatwg] A suggestion, if postMessage becomes async

2008-04-22 Thread Jeff Walden
Make the targetOrigin argument non-optional. "*" would mean "don't care" while anything else would specify an origin (or result in a syntax error). If this is done, it's no longer possible to have time-of-check/time-of-use issues (in the async case) without the web developer explicitly choos

Re: [whatwg] Are unfocusable elements focusable with tabIndex="-1".

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008, Aaron Leventhal wrote: > > So how do I know if this has been registered as a pending issue that > will be fixed in the spec? Any e-mail sent to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list that has actionable feedback (like yours) well get a reply in due course. If for some reason you need s

Re: [whatwg] Are unfocusable elements focusable with tabIndex="-1".

2008-04-22 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Apr 22, 2008, at 23:35, Aaron Leventhal wrote: So how do I know if this has been registered as a pending issue that will be fixed in the spec? It should show up under http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/misc/cgi/issues.cgi/folder/widgets-tabindex once Hixie has filed the email. -- Henri Siv

Re: [whatwg] Are unfocusable elements focusable with tabIndex="-1".

2008-04-22 Thread Aaron Leventhal
So how do I know if this has been registered as a pending issue that will be fixed in the spec? I checked with Opera and they also do tabindex="-1" makes anything focusable. So the spec is out of line with implementations. - Aaron

Re: [whatwg] Are unfocusable elements focusable with tabIndex="-1".

2008-04-22 Thread Aaron Leventhal
As I mentioned in the WebKit bug report just now (https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7138): The WhatWG spec appears to be wrong, in that it says: A negative integer specifies that the element should be removed from the tab order. If the element does normally take focus, it may still be f

[whatwg] Are unfocusable elements focusable with tabIndex="-1".

2008-04-22 Thread sjoerd
Hi, An incompatibility between the implementation of tabIndex between IE and Firefox caught my attention because Webkit is now implementing tabIndex as well. [1] In IE, unfocusable elements with tabIndex="-1" are still not focusable. In Firefox they are focusable. Focusable elements stay focusabl

Re: [whatwg] Footnotes, end notes, side notes

2008-04-22 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2008-04-21 à 8:19, Ian Hickson a écrit : On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Michel Fortin wrote: Interesting. If I understand well, this CSS proposal would allow a note inserted in the middle of a paragraph to become a footnote. For instance this: This paragraph has a footnoteThis is a footnote.

Re: [whatwg] Valid Unicode

2008-04-22 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Apr 22, 2008, at 14:18, Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Elliotte Harold wrote: 2. Are control characters allowed (probably yes, based on other parts of the spec). No as raw characters. Control characters that aren't in U+80-U+9F are allowed as entities. ... 6. Are noncharacters

Re: [whatwg] Valid Unicode

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006, Elliotte Harold wrote: > > In 9.1.3 we see > > Text must consist of valid Unicode characters other than U+. Text should > not contain control characters other than space characters. > > > Later in 9.2.3.1 we find: > > If the number is not a valid Unicode character (e.g.

Re: [whatwg] Feeedback on , , and other elements related to cross-references

2008-04-22 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2008-04-21 à 13:20, Tab Atkins Jr. a écrit : Plus, who actually wants to mark up every instance of an abbreviation? That's a ton of work for next to no reward, and apparently isn't something that can be automated (since there are conflicts between abbreviations and actual words). Mark it

Re: [whatwg] Spelling error: labelled --> labeled

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sun, 5 Nov 2006, Elliotte Harold wrote: > > Multiple times in the draft "labelled" should be change to "labeled" > (unless maybe this is a British spelling?) I always get this one wrong > myself, and wouldn't have noticed if the spell checker in Thunderbird > hadn't complained. > > http://di

Re: [whatwg] Probable typo in section 5.2.2.

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, �istein E. Andersen wrote: > > In section 5.2.2., `chickenkïwi.soup' (with diaeresis) appears twice > (once encoded as chickenk%C3%AFwi.soup), as does `chickenkiwi.soup' > (without diaeresis). This apparently got fixed at some point. -- Ian Hickson U+1047E

Re: [whatwg] Broken references links to IETF website

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, dolphinling wrote: > > All the links to the IETF website in the references section are broken. > It looks like they're just missing extensions. Is this a temporary bug > in their site, a permanent change, or has it always been that way? I believe they've now fixed this. --

Re: [whatwg] WA1: Conformance requirements

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Aankhen wrote: > > > On 3/11/06, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > I've reworded the paragraph like this: > > > > Some conformance requirements are phrased as requirements on > > elements, attributes, methods or objects. Such requirements fall > > int

[whatwg] Editorial: Tokenisation

2008-04-22 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Hi, In the Tokenisation section, the spec states: | Start and end tag tokens have a tag name, a self-closing flag, and a | list of attributes, each of which has a name and a value. When a | DOCTYPE token is created, its self-closing flag must be unset... That should say "When a start or end ta

Re: [whatwg] Feeedback on , , and other elements related to cross-references

2008-04-22 Thread Christoph Päper
Nicholas Shanks: I hope the following aids matters. Aids? :) Situations where expansions of abbreviations are needed: 1) People unfamiliar with the topic being discussed. This includes adhoc abbreviations, which I frequently use in table headers. 2) Documents that exist as b

Re: [whatwg] Feeedback on , , and other elements related to cross-references

2008-04-22 Thread Christoph Päper
Ian Hickson: HTML5 had a complex mechanism for cross-references using , , , and so forth. I've removed it. It really didn't add much compared to other than a whole lot of complexity, and there was very little demand for it really. It was kinda cool, though. I've also made the title="" at

Re: [whatwg] WA1: conformance checker conformance requirements

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, fantasai wrote: > Ian Hickson wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, fantasai wrote: > > > > > Please tell me you don't expect conformance checkers to check for > > > potentially invalid JavaScript output... > > > > Obviously not, as that is mathematically impossible. > > Then, ple

Re: [whatwg] WA1: attribute requirements

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> It would mean that leaving the attribute out violates a conformance > >> requirement, making the document non-conformant. > > > > ...the advantage of which being...? > > > > I don't understand the point in making this code: > > > >// this

Re: [whatwg] distinguishing examples

2008-04-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, fantasai wrote: > > Looking at http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-cite I > think that adopting a clearly-styled markup convention for good examples > and bad examples (like [1]) would be helpful. Someone carelessly > skimming your text should not be able

Re: [whatwg] The ins and del elements and comments thereon

2008-04-22 Thread timeless
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Some list item > Another list item > > > > ...or: > > > Some list item > Another list item > > do you want an example showing how to use / in > lists (like the ex