[WikiEN-l] Main page changes for 10th anniversary

2011-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
"Wikipedia is celebrating its tenth anniversary! To mark the occasion, Wikipedia is showcasing content not normally featured on the main page." I nearly fell off my chair in surprise! "Today's featured list" "Today's featured topic" "Today's featured sound" Will be interesting to see what the pa

Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-14 Thread David Gerard
On 15 January 2011 04:41, Carcharoth wrote: > To take a specific example, I very occasionally come across names of > people or topics where it is next-to-impossible to find out anything > meaningful about them because the name is identical to that of someone > else. Sometimes this is companies th

[WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
(Following on from another thread) I have a theory that Wikipedia makes only *part* of the Internet not suck. Wikipedians aggregate online knowledge (and offline as well, but let's stick to online here), thus making it easier to find information about something, especially when there are lots of a

Re: [WikiEN-l] 10 Media coverage, was Re: Wired: Wikipedia weirdness

2011-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
The Signpost (on en-wikipedia) is also collecting news articles as well, and may have better English-language coverage (the other site is good as a starting point for the worldwide coverage, but attempting to be comprehensive with something like that is laudable if difficult - at some point the cov

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello world! (was "Hello world?")

2011-01-14 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Tony Sidaway wrote: > I remember that in 1992 I was stung by a wasp near the end of a day in > York. I would happily take you to the precise location outside York > station, I said "fuck". There is absolutely no documentation for this. > It happened. My own first e

Re: [WikiEN-l] 10 Media coverage, was Re: Wired: Wikipedia weirdness

2011-01-14 Thread Steven Walling
The Economist is in there. The FT piece probably isn't because they've paywalled their site. On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > On 12/01/2011 23:59, phoebe ayers wrote: > > All of those things are true, to my knowledge :) > > > > There's

[WikiEN-l] 10 Media coverage, was Re: Wired: Wikipedia weirdness

2011-01-14 Thread Charles Matthews
On 12/01/2011 23:59, phoebe ayers wrote: > All of those things are true, to my knowledge :) > > There's a page to collect Wikipedia10 media coverage at: > http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage > Three pieces of BBC coverage today: a World Service documentary (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservi

[WikiEN-l] Civility Echoes

2011-01-14 Thread Marc Riddell
All, Civility echoes: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/14/opinion/14brooks.html?nl=todaysheadlines&e mc=tha212 Marc ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello world! (was "Hello world?")

2011-01-14 Thread Skyring
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:10 PM, wiki wrote: > Wikipedia becomes more like religion every day. With a God-King in a cloud realm and the occasional crucifixion. Not to mention passing the plate on a regular basis. I think it is important that we don't develop the same sort of hierarchy and menta

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello world! (was "Hello world?")

2011-01-14 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 14 January 2011 12:01, Tony Sidaway wrote: >> 'So Jimmy's claim that the first edit was "Hello world!" isn't to be >> taken literally?' >> >> I don't see why not. It's far from unusual for a tech-savvy user to >> type that phrase into a d

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Hello world?"

2011-01-14 Thread Tim Starling
On 14/01/11 07:49, Joseph Reagle wrote: > > I've seen both Wales and Gardner (e.g., [1]) note that Wikipedia > began with Wales typing in "Hello World". > > [1]: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/12/wikipedia-internet > > That's a neat historical fact, but is there a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello world! (was "Hello world?")

2011-01-14 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday, January 14, 2011, Thomas Dalton wrote: > Sure, Jimmy is certainly capable of making mistakes, but unless there > is evidence to suggest that he did it seems sensible to me to assume > that he is correct. As you say, it's not a critical piece of > information so we don't need to try and v

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello world! (was "Hello world?")

2011-01-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 January 2011 12:25, Carcharoth wrote: > One possibility, though, is that he typed it at some point, but there > was an earlier edit he forgot. Memory can be a selective thing. What > you would look for, if going further into this, is the first time he > recalled this and where and to whom. U

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello world! (was "Hello world?")

2011-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 14 January 2011 12:01, Tony Sidaway wrote: >> 'So Jimmy's claim that the first edit was "Hello world!" isn't to be >> taken literally?' >> >> I don't see why not. It's far from unusual for a tech-savvy user to >> type that phrase into a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello world! (was "Hello world?")

2011-01-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 January 2011 12:01, Tony Sidaway wrote: > 'So Jimmy's claim that the first edit was "Hello world!" isn't to be > taken literally?' > > I don't see why not. It's far from unusual for a tech-savvy user to > type that phrase into a document as a first test. I would be surprised > if anyone expr

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello world! (was "Hello world?")

2011-01-14 Thread Tony Sidaway
'So Jimmy's claim that the first edit was "Hello world!" isn't to be taken literally?' I don't see why not. It's far from unusual for a tech-savvy user to type that phrase into a document as a first test. I would be surprised if anyone expressed a good reason to doubt it.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimmy Wales says Wikipedia too complicated for many

2011-01-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 January 2011 09:21, Magnus Manske wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Kwan Ting Chan wrote: >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12171977 >> "Wikipedia is too complicated for many people to modify despite billing >> itself as "the free encyclopaedia that anyone can edit", its foun

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimmy Wales says Wikipedia too complicated for many

2011-01-14 Thread Magnus Manske
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Kwan Ting Chan wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12171977 > > "Wikipedia is too complicated for many people to modify despite billing > itself as "the free encyclopaedia that anyone can edit", its founder has > said." *cough* http://meta.wikimedia.org/

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello world! (was "Hello world?")

2011-01-14 Thread wiki
So Jimmy's claim that the first edit was "Hello world!" isn't to be taken literally? It is simply a totem. If you want to be cruel you call it a sound-bite which takes liberty with reality, if you want to be kind you call it a "foundation-myth which serves to encapsulate the ethos and meaning of W