Re: [313] Another journalistic hack

2001-09-01 Thread paul . matheson





 I know I'm going to sound like such  pretentious wank, but here's a quote Mr
Kantner should have paid some attention to...



"I never dared be radical when young

For fear it made me conservative when old"



Comes from Robert Frost, great English poet (not that I like poetry, you
understand...)



Great weekends to all and sundry



Paul

Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
08/31/2001 06:30 PM

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Didn't see the original article, but it comes along with a not-unfamiliar
theme.

There hasn't been a "community" in the club scene in SF since 1994, maybe
before.  Not in the sense that Paul Kantner was talking about.  From
probably 1990 to 1993 it was very real indeed.  There were things that
happened on dance floors in the SF scene that simply are beyond my
ability to explain, and I'm not talking about weird behavior or
outlandish costumes (which there were plenty of), but instead some kind
of deeper communication at both the musical and mental level.

We don't really talk about this any more, and even at the time attempts
to do so usually ended up sounded like touchy-feely babble, but something
really interesting was going on then.

The Grateful Dead scene had this at one time as well, but it also gradually
faded away as the novelty wore off, the audience dramatically expanded,
and the usual bunch of money-grubbing emerged even within the core of
the scene.  But that's a story for a different time and place.  In any
event, Kantner is right that there were differences between the 1960s and
1990s.  The drawback was not that people have missed one or the other,
but that they might have believed the hype about either and not understood
that the hype was only a layer over something far more different and
powerful.  A lot of people "from the 1960s" made that mistake about the
1990s, and the reverse is also true.

Fred


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Re: [313] Another journalistic hack

2001-09-01 Thread Fred Heutte
Didn't see the original article, but it comes along with a not-unfamiliar
theme.

There hasn't been a "community" in the club scene in SF since 1994, maybe
before.  Not in the sense that Paul Kantner was talking about.  From
probably 1990 to 1993 it was very real indeed.  There were things that
happened on dance floors in the SF scene that simply are beyond my
ability to explain, and I'm not talking about weird behavior or
outlandish costumes (which there were plenty of), but instead some kind
of deeper communication at both the musical and mental level.

We don't really talk about this any more, and even at the time attempts
to do so usually ended up sounded like touchy-feely babble, but something
really interesting was going on then.

The Grateful Dead scene had this at one time as well, but it also gradually
faded away as the novelty wore off, the audience dramatically expanded,
and the usual bunch of money-grubbing emerged even within the core of
the scene.  But that's a story for a different time and place.  In any
event, Kantner is right that there were differences between the 1960s and
1990s.  The drawback was not that people have missed one or the other,
but that they might have believed the hype about either and not understood
that the hype was only a layer over something far more different and
powerful.  A lot of people "from the 1960s" made that mistake about the
1990s, and the reverse is also true.

Fred


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[313] non related - attn Nancy Mitchell

2001-09-01 Thread sound
sorry to post this to the list but it is the only way i know to contact...

Nancy i tried your yahoo address but it did not work, please email me a
working email address
thanks!


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