Re: Administrativa - I'm back in full control...

[Andrew Duke]

Second that that Shawn Rudiman Conduit album is stellar. Released on the
same label (Pittsburgh Tracks), the new album from Pittsburgh Track
Authority (PA System) is also recommended. Andy Vaz didn't mention it, but
his forthcoming EP called "One For Choutsugai" features Eva Soul on vocals
(she's from Hamtramck and has sung on records for Rick Wade) and includes a
remix from Niko Marks. Still digging the Eternal Student's "Hear ME Though"
EP on Mike Grant's Moods & Grooves imprint. Andrew
http://andrewdukeinthemix.com





On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:12 PM kent williams  wrote:

> ... with respect to being able to manipulate the list.  Now's the time to
> send me DIRECT e-mails with any questions or problems, since I might
> actually be able to solve them again.
>
> On the subject of Detroit-influenced techno this new Shawn Rudiman album
> is fantastic. Lush, melodic, emotional music by someone who's been involved
> with Detroit dance culture going back to his first release on 7th City.
>
> https://itma.bandcamp.com/album/conduit
>

Administrativa - I'm back in full control...

[kent williams]

... with respect to being able to manipulate the list.  Now's the time to
send me DIRECT e-mails with any questions or problems, since I might
actually be able to solve them again.

On the subject of Detroit-influenced techno this new Shawn Rudiman album is
fantastic. Lush, melodic, emotional music by someone who's been involved
with Detroit dance culture going back to his first release on 7th City.

https://itma.bandcamp.com/album/conduit

Re: Hi. I made another record...and an interview...

[Andrew Duke]

I would third that.

On Wed., Jul. 1, 2020, 10:05 a.m. Mislav Bobić,  wrote:

> I would second that !
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 1 Jul 2020, at 20.57, jwan allen  wrote:
>
> 
> Hear Hear!  he's been making some of the most inspired music in this
> genre for quite some time now. I'm glad others are starting to take more
> notice than before.
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:53 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> I bought the Throatcrush EP and it's some of my favorite hard techno.
>> Kevin has put the years in to find his unique voice in straight-ahead dark
>> techno.
>>
>> The point of minimal hard techno isn't that there's a formula you can
>> follow.  There is.  Anyone can follow the formula.
>>
>> The point is to transcend the formula. Kevin does that.  The world didn't
>> need another Rob Hood - something a 1000 producers on Beatport try to be.
>> The world does need producers like Kevin.
>>
>> https://philippepetit.bandcamp.com/album/knotweed-records-036-throatcrush-e-p
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:10 PM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all remaining on the list...
>>>
>>> Here's a couple of links to share with you of my most recent record that
>>> came out last week.
>>> https://soundcloud.com/knotweed-records/kw036-fbk-throatcrush-ep
>>> Buy links are in the description.  One currently remains for sale on
>>> Bandcamp.
>>>
>>> Also, Peter Kirn of CDM did an interview with me, and it may be the most
>>> extensive of my career.  Also filled with links to some of my other recent
>>> works:)
>>>
>>> https://cdm.link/2020/06/fbk-techno-interview/
>>>
>>> If you have trouble identifying whether or not this is '313 related,'  I
>>> would suggest reading my interview first, as it tells a portion of the
>>> story of my affiliation with Detroit and the Techno scene in general.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> FBK
>>>
>>> Absoloop/Orange 82
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Technoir Audio
> Broken Planet
>
> "dealing with your imperfect world"
>
>

RE: ADMIN REMINDER

[The Archiver]

Have the disruptive members been removed?

 

From: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 01 July 2020 14:25
To: The Archiver 
Cc: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: ADMIN REMINDER

 

I haven't been ignoring it. I've decoded the dead language of EZMLM remote 
administration, and cast a few powerful spells.

In the answer to your question - maybe it was rhetorical - some people are just 
bullies.

 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:20 AM The Archiver mailto:thearchi...@thearchiver.net> > wrote:

Why is the this being ignored?

* List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespectful and 
disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.

 

 

From: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com 
 ] 
Sent: 01 July 2020 14:16
To: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org  >
Subject: ADMIN REMINDER

 

Back in the good old days the admin would send out a monthly reminder.  These 
are the good old days.

Regarding Content and Community

313 content is not moderated and never will be, therefore we rely on 313 list 
members to 'self-police' 313. After twenty plus years 313 has become a 
community and should be thought of as such. Like any community (Detroit 
included) 313 is only as strong as every member makes it. In that spirit we ask 
you respect the following principles:

*   Spam is strictly prohibited, 313 list subscribers are not marketing 
fodder.
*   List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespectful and 
disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
*   List members are here for a reason, keep your posts on topic, using 313 
as a chat room is not permitted. Please note placing 'OT', standing for 
off-topic, or 'NRR', standing for not really relevant, in the subject line in 
no way excuses you from adhering to this rule.
*   Do not attempt to steal another list subscribers email identity (and, 
yes, this has happened).
*   Do not repost private email to 313. Likewise do not reply to private 
email and 'CC' 313. This is both illegal (falling under the reproduction of an 
original copyrighted work without permission) and highly unethical. Arguments 
belong in private email, not in email that is addressed to 313, check your 'To: 
' and 'CC: ' email header fields carefully before sending out email - it may 
save you more embarassment than you thought possible.

Re: ADMIN REMINDER

[kent williams]

I haven't been ignoring it. I've decoded the dead language of EZMLM remote
administration, and cast a few powerful spells.

In the answer to your question - maybe it was rhetorical - some people are
just bullies.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:20 AM The Archiver 
wrote:

> Why is the this being ignored?
>
> · List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespectful
> and disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 01 July 2020 14:16
> *To:* list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Subject:* ADMIN REMINDER
>
>
>
> Back in the good old days the admin would send out a monthly reminder.
> These are the good old days.
>
> *Regarding Content and Community*
>
> 313 content is not moderated and never will be, therefore we rely on 313
> list members to 'self-police' 313. After twenty plus years 313 has become a
> community and should be thought of as such. Like any community (Detroit
> included) 313 is only as strong as every member makes it. In that spirit we
> ask you respect the following principles:
>
>- Spam is strictly prohibited, 313 list subscribers are not marketing
>fodder.
>- List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespectful and
>disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
>- List members are here for a reason, keep your posts on topic, using
>313 as a chat room is not permitted. Please note placing 'OT', standing for
>off-topic, or 'NRR', standing for not really relevant, in the subject line
>in no way excuses you from adhering to this rule.
>- Do not attempt to steal another list subscribers email identity
>(and, yes, this has happened).
>- Do not repost private email to 313. Likewise do not reply to private
>email and 'CC' 313. This is both illegal (falling under the reproduction of
>an original copyrighted work without permission) and highly unethical.
>Arguments belong in private email, not in email that is addressed to 313,
>check your *'To: '* and *'CC: '* email header fields carefully before
>sending out email - it may save you more embarassment than you thought
>possible.
>
>

RE: ADMIN REMINDER

[The Archiver]

Why is the this being ignored?

* List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespectful and 
disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.

 

 

From: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 01 July 2020 14:16
To: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: ADMIN REMINDER

 

Back in the good old days the admin would send out a monthly reminder.  These 
are the good old days.

Regarding Content and Community

313 content is not moderated and never will be, therefore we rely on 313 list 
members to 'self-police' 313. After twenty plus years 313 has become a 
community and should be thought of as such. Like any community (Detroit 
included) 313 is only as strong as every member makes it. In that spirit we ask 
you respect the following principles:

*   Spam is strictly prohibited, 313 list subscribers are not marketing 
fodder.
*   List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespectful and 
disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
*   List members are here for a reason, keep your posts on topic, using 313 
as a chat room is not permitted. Please note placing 'OT', standing for 
off-topic, or 'NRR', standing for not really relevant, in the subject line in 
no way excuses you from adhering to this rule.
*   Do not attempt to steal another list subscribers email identity (and, 
yes, this has happened).
*   Do not repost private email to 313. Likewise do not reply to private 
email and 'CC' 313. This is both illegal (falling under the reproduction of an 
original copyrighted work without permission) and highly unethical. Arguments 
belong in private email, not in email that is addressed to 313, check your 'To: 
' and 'CC: ' email header fields carefully before sending out email - it may 
save you more embarassment than you thought possible.

ADMIN REMINDER

[kent williams]

Back in the good old days the admin would send out a monthly reminder.
These are the good old days.

*Regarding Content and Community*

313 content is not moderated and never will be, therefore we rely on 313
list members to 'self-police' 313. After twenty plus years 313 has become a
community and should be thought of as such. Like any community (Detroit
included) 313 is only as strong as every member makes it. In that spirit we
ask you respect the following principles:

   - Spam is strictly prohibited, 313 list subscribers are not marketing
   fodder.
   - List subscribers are people, treat them as such, disrespectful and
   disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.
   - List members are here for a reason, keep your posts on topic, using
   313 as a chat room is not permitted. Please note placing 'OT', standing for
   off-topic, or 'NRR', standing for not really relevant, in the subject line
   in no way excuses you from adhering to this rule.
   - Do not attempt to steal another list subscribers email identity (and,
   yes, this has happened).
   - Do not repost private email to 313. Likewise do not reply to private
   email and 'CC' 313. This is both illegal (falling under the reproduction of
   an original copyrighted work without permission) and highly unethical.
   Arguments belong in private email, not in email that is addressed to 313,
   check your *'To: '* and *'CC: '* email header fields carefully before
   sending out email - it may save you more embarassment than you thought
   possible.

Re: Hi. I made another record...and an interview...

[Mislav Bobić]

I would second that !




Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jul 2020, at 20.57, jwan allen  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hear Hear!  he's been making some of the most inspired music in this genre 
> for quite some time now. I'm glad others are starting to take more notice 
> than before.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:53 AM kent williams  wrote:
>> I bought the Throatcrush EP and it's some of my favorite hard techno. Kevin 
>> has put the years in to find his unique voice in straight-ahead dark techno. 
>> 
>> The point of minimal hard techno isn't that there's a formula you can 
>> follow.  There is.  Anyone can follow the formula. 
>> 
>> The point is to transcend the formula. Kevin does that.  The world didn't 
>> need another Rob Hood - something a 1000 producers on Beatport try to be. 
>> The world does need producers like Kevin.
>> https://philippepetit.bandcamp.com/album/knotweed-records-036-throatcrush-e-p
>>   
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:10 PM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:
>>> Hi all remaining on the list...
>>> 
>>> Here's a couple of links to share with you of my most recent record that 
>>> came out last week.  
>>> https://soundcloud.com/knotweed-records/kw036-fbk-throatcrush-ep
>>> Buy links are in the description.  One currently remains for sale on 
>>> Bandcamp.
>>> 
>>> Also, Peter Kirn of CDM did an interview with me, and it may be the most 
>>> extensive of my career.  Also filled with links to some of my other recent 
>>> works:) 
>>> 
>>> https://cdm.link/2020/06/fbk-techno-interview/
>>> 
>>> If you have trouble identifying whether or not this is '313 related,'  I 
>>> would suggest reading my interview first, as it tells a portion of the 
>>> story of my affiliation with Detroit and the Techno scene in general.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> FBK
>>> 
>>> Absoloop/Orange 82
> 
> 
> -- 
> Technoir Audio
> Broken Planet
> 
> "dealing with your imperfect world"

Re: Hi. I made another record...and an interview...

[jwan allen]

Hear Hear!  he's been making some of the most inspired music in this
genre for quite some time now. I'm glad others are starting to take more
notice than before.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 8:53 AM kent williams  wrote:

> I bought the Throatcrush EP and it's some of my favorite hard techno.
> Kevin has put the years in to find his unique voice in straight-ahead dark
> techno.
>
> The point of minimal hard techno isn't that there's a formula you can
> follow.  There is.  Anyone can follow the formula.
>
> The point is to transcend the formula. Kevin does that.  The world didn't
> need another Rob Hood - something a 1000 producers on Beatport try to be.
> The world does need producers like Kevin.
>
> https://philippepetit.bandcamp.com/album/knotweed-records-036-throatcrush-e-p
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:10 PM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:
>
>> Hi all remaining on the list...
>>
>> Here's a couple of links to share with you of my most recent record that
>> came out last week.
>> https://soundcloud.com/knotweed-records/kw036-fbk-throatcrush-ep
>> Buy links are in the description.  One currently remains for sale on
>> Bandcamp.
>>
>> Also, Peter Kirn of CDM did an interview with me, and it may be the most
>> extensive of my career.  Also filled with links to some of my other recent
>> works:)
>>
>> https://cdm.link/2020/06/fbk-techno-interview/
>>
>> If you have trouble identifying whether or not this is '313 related,'  I
>> would suggest reading my interview first, as it tells a portion of the
>> story of my affiliation with Detroit and the Techno scene in general.
>>
>>
>> --
>> FBK
>>
>> Absoloop/Orange 82
>>
>

-- 
Technoir Audio
Broken Planet

"dealing with your imperfect world"

Re: Hi. I made another record...and an interview...

[kent williams]

I bought the Throatcrush EP and it's some of my favorite hard techno. Kevin
has put the years in to find his unique voice in straight-ahead dark
techno.

The point of minimal hard techno isn't that there's a formula you can
follow.  There is.  Anyone can follow the formula.

The point is to transcend the formula. Kevin does that.  The world didn't
need another Rob Hood - something a 1000 producers on Beatport try to be.
The world does need producers like Kevin.
https://philippepetit.bandcamp.com/album/knotweed-records-036-throatcrush-e-p


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:10 PM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:

> Hi all remaining on the list...
>
> Here's a couple of links to share with you of my most recent record that
> came out last week.
> https://soundcloud.com/knotweed-records/kw036-fbk-throatcrush-ep
> Buy links are in the description.  One currently remains for sale on
> Bandcamp.
>
> Also, Peter Kirn of CDM did an interview with me, and it may be the most
> extensive of my career.  Also filled with links to some of my other recent
> works:)
>
> https://cdm.link/2020/06/fbk-techno-interview/
>
> If you have trouble identifying whether or not this is '313 related,'  I
> would suggest reading my interview first, as it tells a portion of the
> story of my affiliation with Detroit and the Techno scene in general.
>
>
> --
> FBK
>
> Absoloop/Orange 82
>

Re: (313) Britney Spears techno? Not techno?

[cnd]

Seriously? And what's up with all the testosterone on this list. I mean 
Britney Spears is more techno than this.



As I say Denise, you personally - chauffeured round London anytime.

Dem young sconies.

C

On 2020-07-01 02:43, Denise Dalphond wrote:

It is nice. I didn’t send out the friend requests. All those people
found me. Many of them studied at Oxford University. I don’t know
what that’s about, although I am published through Oxford University
Press. About Detroit techno.

R U trying 2 say it’s very techno of me that I have all those
friends?

I’m not really inviting you, Mario, 2 “connect.” I don’t hang
out with ppl that is into rape culture. It’s to anyone on this list
who wants to read my shit. How many ppl R on this list? More than a
thousand? Maybe. That’s a lot of ppl that may be into what I write.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:35 PM Mario De Block 
wrote:


that's an amazing, even interstellar increase in fb 'friends' you
have, recently, as far as I know... Can one buy friends, on a way to
'global fame'?

Anyway: why should I connect/follow up so closely on someone who's
blocked me mailwise? I'm not cynical or lacking enough self-respect
for that, I think. I'm open for wise, healthy contacts that feel
safe and warm enough, and are mutually learnful and stimulating,
personally. Yet, I do browse sometimes. One may find interesting
stuff some time. The visit on Twitter was learnful on how you look
upon the 313 list and many of its members. I don't feel included in
all that.

M.

-

VAN: Denise Dalphond 
VERZONDEN: woensdag 1 juli 2020 3:20
AAN: Mario De Block ; 313@hyperreal.org
<313@hyperreal.org>
ONDERWERP: Re: What this list is and isn't about

Here's my IG: https://www.instagram.com/schoolcraftwax

And here's my FB: https://www.facebook.com/dalphond

I'm maxed out on FB friends, but everything is public. You don't
miss out on anything if we can't be friends.

I try to be a public educator on the internet.

DENISE DALPHOND, PH.D.

ETHNOMUSICOLOGIST
SCHOOLCRAFTWAX.WORK

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:11 PM Mario De Block 
wrote:

don't try to tell me having problems here, then - it's you yourself
having blocked me, with no reasoning. Especially not after my second
mail. I didn't invite you on talking about rape culture. I only
indicated it was an unjust suggestive point you tried to make.

By the way, I nuanced what you didn't yourself. You tweeted, for
instance:

the 313 listserv is a place where racists & sexists thrive.

the 313 Detroit techno listserv is a place where whitesplaining is
the name of the game. & if you don't whitesplain & don't support the
whitesplainers full tilt, you're villainous.

techno and toxic whiteness are BFF. boyfriends 4ever.

the 313 listserv is a place where mostly elderly white men will tell
you who to listen to and who to like and what to think about it.

on the 313 Detroit techno listserv, i'm accused, by kent williams,
the elderly white man moderator, of making the list a shadow of what
it used 2B. it's been dead [Skull] 4 years. boring AF. it's a shadow
of its own death.

I mean... The 313 list might better be (passively or actively)
supported by its members, instead of openly accused of such
behaviour, right?

What do the other members think of this?

I'm quite sure that anyone who's able to communicate constructively
or at least neutrally in an interpersonal sense (which is simply due
as long as anyone doesn't cross lines with someone else), is welcome
here. Of whatever nationality, age, being a he/she/they, and with
any possible skin colour or religion. As long as the love for
Detroit and its culture is a structural link.
And whoever crosses lines in whatever sense to anyone, should be
able (or brave enough) to be confronted with that, get into a
righteous exchange, and take any eventual apt message, to get
straight with facts and people. They
should not be blocked or unsubbed necessarily, but anyone in such
interaction should be or feel invited to get into fair overthinking
and conclusion, based on healthy exchange - with anyone being free
of personal conclusion, but not free of interpersonal respect.
Unless anything bad will take over and gets installed. A forum only
exists by grace of anyone's constructive behaviour.

This, at least, is my way of looking upon this.

Mario

-

VAN: Denise Dalphond 
VERZONDEN: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:37
AAN: Mario De Block 
CC: Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
ONDERWERP: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

All my internet is public cause I’m tryin to get globally famous.
Tell your friends. I don’t need to talk to you about rape culture,
bro. I need to be able to talk about music in a safe environment,
which this ain’t. I’m thankful for social networks.

Read on.

 --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work [1]

Links:
--
[1] http://schoolcraftwax.work