I've lurked on and enjoyed the 313 digest for a long time. It's sad that
it's become the absolute pits. Catch you later...
Cheers,
Chris
-- Forwarded message --
From: denisedalph...@gmail.com
To: b...@glzr.info
Cc: Steven Robertson , 313@hyperreal.org
Bcc:
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 12:03:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater
Steven had a “dream” and then had to tell us all about this amazing “dream.”
A long while after the conversation ended.
Are you my mother?
On Nov 6, 2018, at 08:38, Benn Glazier wrote:
Denise - Steven has cap in hand apologised. You are now denigrating him for
that. I do not feel it serves a purpose to further chastise him about the
matter.
We know how you feel, and rightly or wrongly people will agree with you.
You've spent a lot of time discussing your point of view and others have
shared theirs which I'm all for. Remember, all of us do not live in Detroit
or the US or have had first-hand contact with racial discrimination.
Whilst that doesn't at all mean for one minute we're disagreeing with how
blacks have been downtrodden in society, it means our exposure is
different. In my eyes your points are more than valid but one's own
experiences elicit a response, and whilst we can be more well read than in
previous years thanks to technology, there's still a lot to learn for
anyone who has not grown up with or been subject to this oppression. Humans
are fickle and behaviour to get people on board needs to be constructive.
Short answer, it would have been great if RA had of produced the piece in
the way that has been discussed! Bottom line, Denise, you made Stephen dig
deeper and read and learn and that's great, but don't beat him down further!
Now to not be faceless, for those that don't know me I'm a white guy (who
has some north African roots!) who grew up in Australia. Where does even
one start to discuss what we've done to our Indigenous population. I live
in London now, and I look around the office today and I can see people of
all backgrounds getting on harmoniously - and that's London for you. Our
racial issues, whilst still existing, pale in comparison with many other
countries and cities. Speaking of London, for those of you here, check
these black history walks around the city (I just did the Soho one) -
http://www.blackhistorywalks.co.uk/
Hatchet buried? Just not in his head (or mine). Where's George M Smiley
these days?
Now... I just picked up on some music by Javonntte. Hadn't heard of him
until a couple of weeks ago. Great to find a new name.
BG
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:12 Steven Robertson wrote:
> If I am, I really don't mean to be. Guilty of poor communication.
>
> Conversation very confusing.
>
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, at 1:08 PM, denisedalph...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Your tone is extremely condescending. I chose the emoji because it is rude.
>
> You could read my works. My latest essay that addresses Drexciya and UR
> and Moodymann and revolution is getting some pretty good reviews.
>
> I already shared the book in an earlier email. I’m arrogant, but not
> arrogant enough to post the link again.
>
> Also, I don’t care about 1 or 10 or 50 white people who are bigots, you’re
> all the same to me. I’m not gonna waste my energy debating with you about
> who you are. And I have to look like you. It sux.
>
> Denise
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2018, at 07:42, Steven Robertson wrote:
>
> Yes I suppose it did. I wasn't aware that I was thinking about it, but as
> it happens I came across other information a couple of days ago which
> opened my eyes, and I will admit when I was wrong. To be fair, I am
> sometimes processing things well beyond a conversation. I do not have a
> neuro-typical mind, and often struggle to keep up with a conversation.
>
> The feeling I woke up with this morning was that James Stinson did feel
> very strongly about it, that I should know, and I hand't really listened to
> what he said in the interview. I felt bad about it, because it was
> ignorant. In the same manner I would defend other parties that fail to
> appreciate the sensitive nature of it, as probably not aware of the insult.
> I just didn't see it that way, that the interpretation as a listener
> probably just suited my own world view. I want to be clear that I'm not
> disappointed if that were the case, and I regret writing that I would be
> disappointed. I am not personally ashamed, but I see no reason to be
> disappointed. It's fair enough. I just don't really know enough about it,
> leading to my ignorance.
>
> It's funny the emoticon you have put there looks like happy surprise
> (though it probably depends on the image being used in the particular email
> reader I guess). It's hard to tell if it's meant to be. You seem happily
> provocative, and I don't really object to that. I might go and read more of
> what you have got to say about it. The music is something else in any case,
> but I accept that you probably know
