(313) MIDI controllers for dummies

2007-03-12 Thread Nik Stoltzman
Can anyone recommend a halway-decent controller for use with Traktor? I have 
been meaning to get
one for years now, but I really have no idea where to start. I suppose I could 
always buy a
keyboard as I could still use the knobs and faders but also noodle around with 
composing some
stuff too.

Just curious to hear some recommendations I guess.

Sorry for the vagueness.

N



RE: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

2007-03-12 Thread Christopher O'Grady
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/XSessionPro-main.html

The M-Audio x-session looks like the best thing on the market and at a
reasonable price of 110 or so euros.  I have a friend who does some bar
djing who just bought it and he is quite happy.  He says it feels solid
enough for the price.  If you need more buttons look no farther than your
computer keyboard.

The Allen and Heath Xone 3D would be nice but if you have to ask how much
it is you can't afford it.

http://www.allen-heath.com/UK/xone3D.asp

M-audio also just came out with this monster but it is 749 euros... 

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/TorqXponent-main.html

My fave on the market is this feena electronics controller 

http://www.feena-electronics.com/ 

But it's a small company and they are hard to get.

Hope that helps.

cTp

-Original Message-
From: Nik Stoltzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:46 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

Can anyone recommend a halway-decent controller for use with Traktor? I have
been meaning to get
one for years now, but I really have no idea where to start. I suppose I
could always buy a
keyboard as I could still use the knobs and faders but also noodle around
with composing some
stuff too.

Just curious to hear some recommendations I guess.

Sorry for the vagueness.

N





RE: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

2007-03-12 Thread Christopher O'Grady
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/XSessionPro-main.html

The M-Audio x-session looks like the best thing on the market and at a
reasonable price of 110 or so euros.  I have a friend who does some bar
djing who just bought it and he is quite happy.  He says it feels solid
enough for the price.  If you need more buttons look no farther than your
computer keyboard.

The Allen and Heath Xone 3D would be nice but if you have to ask how much
it is you can't afford it.

http://www.allen-heath.com/UK/xone3D.asp

M-audio also just came out with this monster but it is 749 euros... 

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/TorqXponent-main.html

My fave on the market is this feena electronics controller 

http://www.feena-electronics.com/ 

But it's a small company and they are hard to get.

Hope that helps.

cTp



-Original Message-
From: Nik Stoltzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:46 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

Can anyone recommend a halway-decent controller for use with Traktor? I have
been meaning to get
one for years now, but I really have no idea where to start. I suppose I
could always buy a
keyboard as I could still use the knobs and faders but also noodle around
with composing some
stuff too.

Just curious to hear some recommendations I guess.

Sorry for the vagueness.

N





Re: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

2007-03-12 Thread robin


I swear by my faderfoxes (LV1, LD2...there are tracktor versions too).

I've had the evolution uc33 and uc17 (xsession) too. Both worked out ok 
but I love the build and compact size of the faderfox.


robin...

Christopher O'Grady wrote:

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/XSessionPro-main.html

The M-Audio x-session looks like the best thing on the market and at a
reasonable price of 110 or so euros.  I have a friend who does some bar
djing who just bought it and he is quite happy.  He says it feels solid
enough for the price.  If you need more buttons look no farther than your
computer keyboard.

The Allen and Heath Xone 3D would be nice but if you have to ask how much
it is you can't afford it.

http://www.allen-heath.com/UK/xone3D.asp

M-audio also just came out with this monster but it is 749 euros... 


http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/TorqXponent-main.html

My fave on the market is this feena electronics controller 

http://www.feena-electronics.com/ 


But it's a small company and they are hard to get.

Hope that helps.



RE: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

2007-03-12 Thread Nik Stoltzman
Has anyone else received this 3 times now? Not sure whether it is my mail 
server or Chris's

N

 http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/XSessionPro-main.html

 The M-Audio x-session looks like the best thing on the market and at a
 reasonable price of 110 or so euros.  I have a friend who does some bar
 djing who just bought it and he is quite happy.  He says it feels solid
 enough for the price.  If you need more buttons look no farther than your
 computer keyboard.

 The Allen and Heath Xone 3D would be nice but if you have to ask how much
 it is you can't afford it.

 http://www.allen-heath.com/UK/xone3D.asp

 M-audio also just came out with this monster but it is 749 euros...

 http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/TorqXponent-main.html

 My fave on the market is this feena electronics controller

 http://www.feena-electronics.com/

 But it's a small company and they are hard to get.

 Hope that helps.

 cTp



 -Original Message-
 From: Nik Stoltzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:46 PM
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

 Can anyone recommend a halway-decent controller for use with Traktor? I have
 been meaning to get
 one for years now, but I really have no idea where to start. I suppose I
 could always buy a
 keyboard as I could still use the knobs and faders but also noodle around
 with composing some
 stuff too.

 Just curious to hear some recommendations I guess.

 Sorry for the vagueness.

 N








Re: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

2007-03-12 Thread kent williams

I have an X-Session controller and it is actually really nice.  You
have all the traditional DJ mixer knobs and sliders, plus a few extra
per channel to map to whatever you like in Traktor.

The only thing about it I can complain about -- and it's more a MIDI
limitation than a limitation of the X-Session -- is that the tempo
adjust knob is too coarse to lock down two tracks.  I solved this by
mapping an extra knob for each channel to the fine-adjust tempo knob,
So you get two tracks together with the coarse knob, then use the fine
knob for fine control.

On 3/12/07, Christopher O'Grady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/XSessionPro-main.html

The M-Audio x-session looks like the best thing on the market and at a
reasonable price of 110 or so euros.  I have a friend who does some bar
djing who just bought it and he is quite happy.  He says it feels solid
enough for the price.  If you need more buttons look no farther than your
computer keyboard.



Re: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

2007-03-12 Thread skept
is that the tempo adjust knob is too coarse to lock down two tracks. 

you could also set the lsb and msb of the control to say lsb=120 msb=130
(depending on what you are spinning) which would give you more control.


- Original Message -
From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies
To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org

 I have an X-Session controller and it is actually really nice.  You
 have all the traditional DJ mixer knobs and sliders, plus a few extra
 per channel to map to whatever you like in Traktor.
 
 The only thing about it I can complain about -- and it's more a MIDI
 limitation than a limitation of the X-Session -- is that the tempo
 adjust knob is too coarse to lock down two tracks.  I solved this by
 mapping an extra knob for each channel to the fine-adjust tempo knob,
 So you get two tracks together with the coarse knob, then use the fine
 knob for fine control.
 
 On 3/12/07, Christopher O'Grady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/XSessionPro-main.html
 
  The M-Audio x-session looks like the best thing on the market and 
 at a
  reasonable price of 110 or so euros.  I have a friend who does 
 some bar
  djing who just bought it and he is quite happy.  He says it feels 
 solid enough for the price.  If you need more buttons look no 
 farther than your
  computer keyboard.
 
 


Re: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

2007-03-12 Thread Guilherme Menegon Arantes
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 03:30:33PM +, robin wrote:
 
 I swear by my faderfoxes (LV1, LD2...there are tracktor versions too).
 
 I've had the evolution uc33 and uc17 (xsession) too. Both worked out ok 
 but I love the build and compact size of the faderfox.


I second Robin here. The LV2 is great, well-built, compact and gives you 
lots of control at the same time (although it still lacks some features)!

G


--

Guilherme Menegon Arantes, PhD   Sao Paulo, Brasil
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RE: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

2007-03-12 Thread Christopher O'Grady
The auto beat matching in traktor is and will always be crap.  Not that I
mind... It keeps the 12 year olds frustrated. 

I have been playing with traktor using my oxygen 8 for about a year now just
for kicks.  If you take the time to make precise beat grids for tracks then
you NEVER have to deal with tempo again.  It takes some effort to sit down
and make them but I can't imagine trying to get my tempo without a pair of
1200s or CDJs anyways.

However... The main problem I am having with traktor and taking the time to
set these beat grids is the fact that you cannot write them to the id3 tag
of the mp3 itself.  It must only be a few kb of information and it seems
easy enough to implement.  If you ever lose your collection or want to move
the tracks to another computer you lose all your hard work making them.

Make beat grids... It's an absolute laugh being able to play anything in
your crate without the initial beat matching process.  Ripped vinyl can be
tedious because you have to set anywhere from 3 to 10 grid markers in them.
But pretty much everything on beatport is digital and you only need one at
the beginning.

I am only saying this because it seems like 90% of the people I have talked
to who are using traktor have no idea that they exist.

Heck... Once NI start including beat grids into ID3 tags I don't see why ALL
of the tracks sold on beatport would not have them already.  And as long as
it's not a proprietary thing I don't see why they would not work with torq
and all of the other clones out there.

I just moved to Ireland and my decks are still in Paris.  

*sigh*

cTp


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 8:25 PM
To: kent williams
Cc: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies

is that the tempo adjust knob is too coarse to lock down two tracks. 

you could also set the lsb and msb of the control to say lsb=120 msb=130
(depending on what you are spinning) which would give you more control.


- Original Message -
From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: (313) MIDI controllers for dummies
To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org

 I have an X-Session controller and it is actually really nice.  You
 have all the traditional DJ mixer knobs and sliders, plus a few extra
 per channel to map to whatever you like in Traktor.
 
 The only thing about it I can complain about -- and it's more a MIDI
 limitation than a limitation of the X-Session -- is that the tempo
 adjust knob is too coarse to lock down two tracks.  I solved this by
 mapping an extra knob for each channel to the fine-adjust tempo knob,
 So you get two tracks together with the coarse knob, then use the fine
 knob for fine control.
 
 On 3/12/07, Christopher O'Grady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/XSessionPro-main.html
 
  The M-Audio x-session looks like the best thing on the market and 
 at a
  reasonable price of 110 or so euros.  I have a friend who does 
 some bar
  djing who just bought it and he is quite happy.  He says it feels 
 solid enough for the price.  If you need more buttons look no 
 farther than your
  computer keyboard.