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I think Surgeon is very on topic. I don't have a problem with it. I'm a major culprit for offtopicness but I think it's hard (and unhelpful) to isolate Detroit music. I am not a huge fan but I respect Surgeon - and I could be wrong in my views. I've probably danced to his records. It's good when people express different views as you learn something from it. Hey, anyone see Prince in Oz, how amazing was it? The soundcheck was off the hook. Prince is now a very devout Jehovah's Witness so he has modified his lyrics and is not performing some songs but it just goes to show how he does not need the sexual persona to be charismatic. He performed an incredible version of Sign Of The Times, much looser in arrangement, jazzier, and Controversy and Alphabet Street, which I think is due for a comeback. It was just stunning. Since I am on off topics but on topic, I read Carl Craig is a Lutheran, he was talking about not having been exposed to gospel when younger. Is there a Black Lutheran church? I looked at 'Detroit Lutheran Church' on the Web and couldn't find much. Or is it a mixed congregation in the Detroit Lutheran Church (es)? Does anyone know much about the US Lutheran church at all? I had assumed it's small in the US and confined to people of Scandinavian, Teutonic or Slavic origin. I would expect it to be bigger somewhere like Minneapolis. I know one of the Geto Boys was Lutheran and that would be the South. I've always been fascinated by the cultural role of the Church in the US, and the rise of the Black church, so if anyone can shed light I'd be interested. Maybe best to send me stuff offlist. ;) -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 11:35 PM As someone new to this list, its interesting to see people discuss these matters about Surgeon, and what is and isn't on-topic! As far as I can see from the tracklist, though I can't listen to it yet- there's a lot of 313 stuff and music that I consider closely related to 'Detroit Techno' in there, at the very least these tracks: Dave Angel - Airborne (Carl Craig Drums Suck mix) Inner City - Buena Vida (Carl Craig mix) - KMS Kraftwerk - Tour De France - EMI Carl Craig - Tres Demented - Planet E Model 500 - No UFO's (D mix) - Metroplex Underground Resistance - Amazon - UR so as for basically no. and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related it just seems a strange comment to make based on some of the content of Surgeons mix? Anyhow, If I'm going to comment on this, I guess its only fair I should at least offer my opinion. I think there's a lot of music out there that is related to Detroit Techno- whether its the 80s Italian artists recently discussed as inspiring the whole thing, or artists not strictly making 'techno' but still making quality electronic music derived from the city or retaining the innovative attitude.. people such as Amp Fiddler for example.. I think all these people are fair game. (but hey, I don't make the rules!) as for surgeon, i think his music and DJing is getting more interesting all the time, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing him play in Manc tomorrow night. If I get a chance to chat, I'll mention to him that he has inspired much debate on our humble forum! Personally, I think it makes sense to consider him as relevant to this forum, though not the 'most' relevant of artists.. As a final thing, I'd say we're all 313 at heart, music is just something that is very hard to pin down and what I see as Detroit, someone else won't.. don't let the geekiness get in the way of the music! kev WILD LOOPS - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Placid [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: RE: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. Surgeon makes electronic dance music in the same vein of many widely reknowned producers from Detroit and beyond. In the same way that I don't particulary like a lot of what Richie Hawtin does but accept that as a subject, it's on-topic, I feel that Surgeon is on-topic too. But I happen to like everything I've heard produced by Surgeon btw! k
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Prince is now a very devout Jehovah's Witness did you hear that he, just like the rest, goes door-to-door proselytizing? There was a short article in the Mpls StarTribune - he showed up at a family's doorstep and spent about a half-hour with them. Turns out they are Jewish. The best quote was Rochelle said she could not help but think, the Vikings had possession of the ball about two seconds ago. C.J.: Jumping Jehovah! Prince goes a door-knockin' C.J., Star Tribune Published October 12, 2003 Proselytizing for Jehovah's Witnesses during last Sunday's Vikings game wasn't the smoothest call Prince has ever made. An Eden Prairie woman, who prefers to be identified only as Rochelle, said, Door bell rings. My husband runs upstairs and says, 'Prince is at the door!' I said, 'No way.' Even though this was an inopportune time, they let in the man who introduced himself at Prince Nelson and another man. I'm terrible with names, Rochelle said. He was a bass player for some group, a long time ago. Older gentleman. Larry Graham? Very good, Rochelle said. This is Sunday about 2 o'clock. And it's the night of Yom Kippur. My first thought is 'Cool, cool, cool. He wants to use my house for a set. I'm glad! Demolish the whole thing! Start over!' Then they start in on this Jehovah's Witnesses stuff. I said, 'You know what? You've walked into a Jewish household, and this is not something I'm interested in.' He says, Can I just finish? Then the other guy, Larry Graham, gets out his little Bible and starts reading scriptures about being Jewish and the land of Israel. Uh-oh. Rochelle said she could not help but think, the Vikings had possession of the ball about two seconds ago. They stayed for about 25 minutes, Rochelle said. Left us a pamphlet. She should have asked Symbolina for an autograph. There's no reason to slam him, she said. He didn't do anything wrong; he was very kind. We watched him leave. Outside is a big black truck with a woman, long dark hair, in the front seat and they left. The woman met the general description of Prince's supposed wife, Manuella. Rochelle seemed perplexed that Prince didn't seem to stop at any other houses in her neighborhood. They go door-to-door. Walking. He wasn't walking. He was driving. Hey, he was knocking on doors during a Vikings-Falcons game -- you can't expect Symbolina to follow ALL the rules of the religion he declared as his new faith in a 2001 magazine interview. It was so bizarre, you would have just laughed, she said. The perfect esprit d'escalier came to Rochelle after Prince left: If I showed up at Paisley [Park], would you let me in your front door to talk about Judaism? There was no response from Paisley Park, where a note seeking a comment was delivered Thursday.
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I would say so, he's an interesting fella - doing interesting stuff - got a nice interview on the way with him as well... Don't you dig his stuff? 30/10/03 9:36 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings placid
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I think so, plus you've just started it again ;o) N -Original Message- From: Placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2003 09:37 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings placid
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really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. Surgeon makes electronic dance music in the same vein of many widely reknowned producers from Detroit and beyond. In the same way that I don't particulary like a lot of what Richie Hawtin does but accept that as a subject, it's on-topic, I feel that Surgeon is on-topic too. But I happen to like everything I've heard produced by Surgeon btw! k
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fair enough not passing judgement just curious really... p On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 10:11 am, Odeluga, Ken wrote: really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. Surgeon makes electronic dance music in the same vein of many widely reknowned producers from Detroit and beyond. In the same way that I don't particulary like a lot of what Richie Hawtin does but accept that as a subject, it's on-topic, I feel that Surgeon is on-topic too. But I happen to like everything I've heard produced by Surgeon btw! k
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well said! :] - Original Message - From: Placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings placid
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really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. basically no. and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related. anyone going to the telegraph thing tomorrow night? john :]
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I'm down the Telegraph tomorrow night... I wouldn't miss it for anything!! For those in the know ;o) Hope to see ya down there John. Bring on the Old School Trax!! -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2003 11:04 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. basically no. and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related. anyone going to the telegraph thing tomorrow night? john :]
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Just interested What criteria does 313 have regarding posts? -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2003 11:04 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. basically no. and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related. anyone going to the telegraph thing tomorrow night? john :] The information contained in or attached to this email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. It may contain information which is confidential and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions outside England and Wales). The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, officers or employees make no representation or accept any liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly stated to the contrary.
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well to my understanding it supposed to be about detroit techno. john - Original Message - From: McAllister, Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'john harvey' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: RE: (313) Does the Surgeon.. Just interested What criteria does 313 have regarding posts? -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2003 11:04 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. basically no. and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related. anyone going to the telegraph thing tomorrow night? john :] The information contained in or attached to this email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. It may contain information which is confidential and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions outside England and Wales). The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, officers or employees make no representation or accept any liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly stated to the contrary.
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And IMHO Surge falls under that title - let not forget what techno is about, is not and never has been just an area code, try and see the bigger picture. word 30/10/03 11:31 AM john [EMAIL PROTECTED] well to my understanding it supposed to be about detroit techno. john - Original Message - From: McAllister, Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'john harvey' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: RE: (313) Does the Surgeon.. Just interested What criteria does 313 have regarding posts? -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2003 11:04 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. basically no. and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related. anyone going to the telegraph thing tomorrow night? john :] The information contained in or attached to this email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. It may contain information which is confidential and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions outside England and Wales). The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, officers or employees make no representation or accept any liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly stated to the contrary.
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So the question is; [313]Detroit Techno; Is it the discussion of topics based around the DJ's/sounds coming from Detroit or is it topics based on the idea of experimental and boundary pushing music that Detroit championed back in the 80's. If it is the latter then Surgeon is worth a mention with his approach to Techno which IMO is pretty damn innovating? nic -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2003 11:33 To: john harvey; 313 Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. And IMHO Surge falls under that title - let not forget what techno is about, is not and never has been just an area code, try and see the bigger picture. word 30/10/03 11:31 AM john [EMAIL PROTECTED] well to my understanding it supposed to be about detroit techno. john - Original Message - From: McAllister, Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'john harvey' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: RE: (313) Does the Surgeon.. Just interested What criteria does 313 have regarding posts? -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2003 11:04 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. basically no. and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related. anyone going to the telegraph thing tomorrow night? john :] The information contained in or attached to this email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. It may contain information which is confidential and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions outside England and Wales). The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, officers or employees make no representation or accept any liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly stated to the contrary.
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detroit techno doesn't just come from detroit, so you're right - it's not about an area code, it's about a type of music. john - Original Message - From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. And IMHO Surge falls under that title - let not forget what techno is about, is not and never has been just an area code, try and see the bigger picture. word 30/10/03 11:31 AM john [EMAIL PROTECTED] well to my understanding it supposed to be about detroit techno. john - Original Message - From: McAllister, Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'john harvey' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: RE: (313) Does the Surgeon.. Just interested What criteria does 313 have regarding posts? -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2003 11:04 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. basically no. and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related. anyone going to the telegraph thing tomorrow night? john :] The information contained in or attached to this email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. It may contain information which is confidential and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions outside England and Wales). The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, officers or employees make no representation or accept any liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly stated to the contrary.
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not sure what this mix was all about, as a matter of fact i dont even like techno very much any more but i have seen many a post on here that does not relate to 313 (or any techno) but has been constructive ease up don't get me wrong - i don't think this list should just be about detroit techno - it should cover related music aswell like chicago/detroit house. i just didn't like the surgeon mix, that's all. john :]
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what about hip hop? (non detroit) - there has been a healthy amount of posts on hip hop, 'alternative' (eg bjork) and drum and bass in the last few months ab -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:02 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. not sure what this mix was all about, as a matter of fact i dont even like techno very much any more but i have seen many a post on here that does not relate to 313 (or any techno) but has been constructive ease up don't get me wrong - i don't think this list should just be about detroit techno - it should cover related music aswell like chicago/detroit house. i just didn't like the surgeon mix, that's all. john :] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003
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As someone new to this list, its interesting to see people discuss these matters about Surgeon, and what is and isn't on-topic! As far as I can see from the tracklist, though I can't listen to it yet- there's a lot of 313 stuff and music that I consider closely related to 'Detroit Techno' in there, at the very least these tracks: Dave Angel - Airborne (Carl Craig Drums Suck mix) Inner City - Buena Vida (Carl Craig mix) - KMS Kraftwerk - Tour De France - EMI Carl Craig - Tres Demented - Planet E Model 500 - No UFO's (D mix) - Metroplex Underground Resistance - Amazon - UR so as for basically no. and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related it just seems a strange comment to make based on some of the content of Surgeons mix? Anyhow, If I'm going to comment on this, I guess its only fair I should at least offer my opinion. I think there's a lot of music out there that is related to Detroit Techno- whether its the 80s Italian artists recently discussed as inspiring the whole thing, or artists not strictly making 'techno' but still making quality electronic music derived from the city or retaining the innovative attitude.. people such as Amp Fiddler for example.. I think all these people are fair game. (but hey, I don't make the rules!) as for surgeon, i think his music and DJing is getting more interesting all the time, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing him play in Manc tomorrow night. If I get a chance to chat, I'll mention to him that he has inspired much debate on our humble forum! Personally, I think it makes sense to consider him as relevant to this forum, though not the 'most' relevant of artists.. As a final thing, I'd say we're all 313 at heart, music is just something that is very hard to pin down and what I see as Detroit, someone else won't.. don't let the geekiness get in the way of the music! kev WILD LOOPS - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Placid [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: RE: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. Surgeon makes electronic dance music in the same vein of many widely reknowned producers from Detroit and beyond. In the same way that I don't particulary like a lot of what Richie Hawtin does but accept that as a subject, it's on-topic, I feel that Surgeon is on-topic too. But I happen to like everything I've heard produced by Surgeon btw! k
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There was also a long discussion about Madchester recently. All sorts of things are discussed on this list - I should know - I am the King Of OT! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:32 PM To: john harvey; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Does the Surgeon.. what about hip hop? (non detroit) - there has been a healthy amount of posts on hip hop, 'alternative' (eg bjork) and drum and bass in the last few months ab -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:02 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. not sure what this mix was all about, as a matter of fact i dont even like techno very much any more but i have seen many a post on here that does not relate to 313 (or any techno) but has been constructive ease up don't get me wrong - i don't think this list should just be about detroit techno - it should cover related music aswell like chicago/detroit house. i just didn't like the surgeon mix, that's all. john :] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.516 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 9/1/2003 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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There was also a long discussion about Madchester recently. All sorts of things are discussed on this list - I should know - I am the King Of OT! look - forget it! who am i to say what can and can't be discussed! anyone heard the latest slipknot? :]
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anyone heard the latest slipknot? it's wicked. got a wicked A-team sample, BA Baracus at 200bpm. whassup foool got any poppers john? I'll swap you for a sip of my water. p.s. that madchester thing was my fault. I apologise. I just tend to rant on here, related to 313 or not. so I'm guilty as charged. I'll try and keep it on topic in future. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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ha ha, no honestly - I like off topic. john p.s. i am into hip hop - dmx / khia - hardcore stuff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. anyone heard the latest slipknot? it's wicked. got a wicked A-team sample, BA Baracus at 200bpm. whassup foool got any poppers john? I'll swap you for a sip of my water. p.s. that madchester thing was my fault. I apologise. I just tend to rant on here, related to 313 or not. so I'm guilty as charged. I'll try and keep it on topic in future. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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then maybe you need to take a closer look at the contents of both those mixes. and the content of much of the discussion on this list day in, day out. --- john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well to my understanding it supposed to be about detroit techno. john - Original Message - From: McAllister, Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'john harvey' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: RE: (313) Does the Surgeon.. Just interested What criteria does 313 have regarding posts? -Original Message- From: john harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2003 11:04 To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Does the Surgeon.. really command 2 days worth of solid 313 postings Basically yes. basically no. and based on the mix posted the other day, its not 313 related. anyone going to the telegraph thing tomorrow night? john :] The information contained in or attached to this email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. It may contain information which is confidential and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions outside England and Wales). The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, officers or employees make no representation or accept any liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly stated to the contrary.
