This isn't a technical mailing list...and its all part and parcel, the
music's not isolated from any other subject/experience...that's how we
experience and qualify music...in the context of our world...
If the music's crunchy, then its got soul...whether the black guys wearing a
lab coat or not...

I can't comment on music at the moment, my oscilloscopes being fixed ...

-----Original Message-----
From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2003 9:53 a.m.
To: spw; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Good principles in techno label design (was Richie
Hawtin "k" )


No humor???  Sounds like techno-fascism.  The final solution to the techno
problem?  True, there is a lot of noise on the list but my life would be
incomplete without Theakston's jaded little witticisms.

I do agree that soul and emotion are inherently limited notions that can get
in the way of real aesthetic understanding.  On the other hand, "Soul Music"
as a genre was a just a euphimism for "black music", and doesn't have
anything to do with "soul" as a spiritual or metaphysical concept.  Emotion
is a physical criteria of human bodies, and not something that is "inside"
music.  

dave

---------- Original Message -------------
Subject: RE: (313) Good principles in techno label design (was Richie Hawtin
"k" )
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: spw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313@hyperreal.org


I was talking about techno names but if you want to get philosophical the 
human race is doomed and will become obsolete like the Neanderthal 
man.
The Borg is a primitive science fiction concept since you will be dealing 
with more advance technology in the not to distant future such as nano 
technology, computers on the molecular level.
people are only animals genetically closely related to the Ape and will 
continue to evolve like all thing in nature including technology.
I would like to see a techno purist type mailing list where terms like
"soul", "god", 
"emotions", the community social structure (politics) that dominate list
like 
313 are not allowed, not even incidents like 9/11.
Only the discussion of techno music and the 
expression of new ideas concerning techno, sarcasm and humor will also 
not be allowed your only allowed to state your opinion on a particular 
music item, promote your label/ project and stay focused on techno.

--- John Osselaer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Quote: "When it comes to techno labels as a general rule a name must
> have an 
> emphasis on technology and a disassociation from human culture like the 
> band Kraftwerk."
> 
> ---> ?? As a general rule there are no rules to techno. Or at least
> there should not be any rules. That's what sets it apart and what
> safeguards its evolution and progress. 
> And 'disassociation from human culture'?? I could point you to numerous
> labels that care more about people than about technology. Everybody
> should! If you need a leading example: Jeff Mills, truly concerned with
> society and sociological evolutions + a will to let those ideas
> infiltrate his music. 
> And maybe, just maybe, Kraftwerk were not all that 'pro' disassociation
> from human culture. Maybe they wanted to point it out and have people
> think about it. Think about both the positive and the negative aspects
> of the technological evolution mankind is going through. It's not
> because it can be done technologically that it should be done. Otherwise
> we'll all be running around like 'The Borg' soon. 'Resistance is
> futile'? NO IT'S NOT!!!
> 
> John 
> 
> 


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