RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
i once had a girl tell me she orgasms' when she touches vinyl. that was when we were in my studio, just about to pick some up ;) -Original Message- From: Anya Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 9:33 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case So perhaps I should invite girls round rather than boys?! ; )) Anya From: Ryan Snowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue 29/Apr/2003 12:53 GMT To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case I find having lots of vinyl makes girls really impressed so they want to sleep with me __ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.
RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
Martin I figure The Plan is to own file sharing not stop it, same old same old - tapes/video/floppies and on and on... Exactly. I mean, how is Sony losing out because of 'illegal downloading'? They make the MDs, they make the players. They own a vast swathe of the 'industry' - which they hoped would be an advantage when they tried to control the platform (which failed as NetMD is so crap). It's just some Sony divisions cashing in at the expense of other Sony divisions. The main concern is still (it seems to me) the artists' interests - and I include those with deals with majors (even if I don't like their music.) k Marc Langsman 28/4/03 4:41 PM Langsman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What really bugs me is companies like sony who go out to shut down file sharing services but happily punt mp3 players - in fact last time I went to dixons there was a sign above the mp3 players illustrating Download / Rip music - Portable Mp3 Player. Surely if they outlawed file-sharing software they'd have to outlaw mp3 players by the same twisted logic ? /rant ;) Marc
Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
29/4/03 5:52 AM Odeluga, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin I figure The Plan is to own file sharing not stop it, same old same old - tapes/video/floppies and on and on... Exactly. I mean, how is Sony losing out because of 'illegal downloading'? They make the MDs, they make the players. They own a vast swathe of the 'industry' - which they hoped would be an advantage when they tried to control the platform (which failed as NetMD is so crap). It's just some Sony divisions cashing in at the expense of other Sony divisions. The main concern is still (it seems to me) the artists' interests - and I include those with deals with majors (even if I don't like their music.) Yes I can see the issue in my own home - I download MP3's but I hate not having the sleeve and everything else that comes with it, so if I like the album I buy it and delete all the old crap I don't want, I should also point out that if I buy an album I don't like I always take that back as well. However, my daughter has no interest in the sleeves/artwork/gubbins etc. because to her she can have 4 bootleg albums for £10 or just the one from Sony. I'm on the side of the artist but it's difficult to know what to do because as a font designer I can tell you I have seen my work all over the place, knowing that the font hasn't been paid for, and while I enjoy seeing my work on flyer/sites/videos I know there's very little I can do and life is too short to be bitter... The only thing I can think if is Artist take back control or Sony etc lower the price point to make bootlegging pointless.
Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
The only thing I can think if is Artist take back control or Sony etc lower the price point to make bootlegging pointless. seems that apple has started the ball rolling on this one (http://www.apple.com/music/store)do we trust apple over sony? i dunno robin...
Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
I'm on the side of the artist but it's difficult to know what to do because as a font designer I can tell you I have seen my work all over the place, knowing that the font hasn't been paid for, and while I enjoy seeing my work on flyer/sites/videos I know there's very little I can do and life is too short to be bitter... I agree and while I too am on the side of the artist it seems to me the people who have most to lose and hence kick up the biggest fuss are the *big* artists and the middle men. I think these types of people are overpaid anyway. While I think it's fair enough these people should be paid for tours, hard work etc. I do think CDs are far too expensive and too many rich people make too much money from them. These days I seem to buy most of my records online and file sharing helps me a lot. I've lost count of the records I've heard mentioned or heard in a mix that I've later found on slsk and then ordered online. For me it beats going into a record store and saying have you got the one that goes 'dumm dumm dumm' :) Plus if like me there aren't many decent small record stores nearby then buying online is a necessity not an option. From my personal experience, which I'm sure isn't unique, file sharing has made me spend *more* money on music than previously?? Sorry for draging this out. -- Mike
RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
Yeah I totally agree with that - Ive started downloading stuff I wouldn't think of buying / Ive not heard before and have ended up splashing out on the vinyl - you kinda get that try before u buy thing - which is nice :/ -Original Message- From: Michael Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:16 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case I'm on the side of the artist but it's difficult to know what to do because as a font designer I can tell you I have seen my work all over the place, knowing that the font hasn't been paid for, and while I enjoy seeing my work on flyer/sites/videos I know there's very little I can do and life is too short to be bitter... I agree and while I too am on the side of the artist it seems to me the people who have most to lose and hence kick up the biggest fuss are the *big* artists and the middle men. I think these types of people are overpaid anyway. While I think it's fair enough these people should be paid for tours, hard work etc. I do think CDs are far too expensive and too many rich people make too much money from them. These days I seem to buy most of my records online and file sharing helps me a lot. I've lost count of the records I've heard mentioned or heard in a mix that I've later found on slsk and then ordered online. For me it beats going into a record store and saying have you got the one that goes 'dumm dumm dumm' :) Plus if like me there aren't many decent small record stores nearby then buying online is a necessity not an option. From my personal experience, which I'm sure isn't unique, file sharing has made me spend *more* money on music than previously?? Sorry for draging this out. -- Mike -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
I find having lots of vinyl makes girls really impressed so they want to sleep with me -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2003 13:53 To: 'Michael Lees' Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case Yeah I totally agree with that - Ive started downloading stuff I wouldn't think of buying / Ive not heard before and have ended up splashing out on the vinyl - you kinda get that try before u buy thing - which is nice :/ -Original Message- From: Michael Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:16 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case I'm on the side of the artist but it's difficult to know what to do because as a font designer I can tell you I have seen my work all over the place, knowing that the font hasn't been paid for, and while I enjoy seeing my work on flyer/sites/videos I know there's very little I can do and life is too short to be bitter... I agree and while I too am on the side of the artist it seems to me the people who have most to lose and hence kick up the biggest fuss are the *big* artists and the middle men. I think these types of people are overpaid anyway. While I think it's fair enough these people should be paid for tours, hard work etc. I do think CDs are far too expensive and too many rich people make too much money from them. These days I seem to buy most of my records online and file sharing helps me a lot. I've lost count of the records I've heard mentioned or heard in a mix that I've later found on slsk and then ordered online. For me it beats going into a record store and saying have you got the one that goes 'dumm dumm dumm' :) Plus if like me there aren't many decent small record stores nearby then buying online is a necessity not an option. From my personal experience, which I'm sure isn't unique, file sharing has made me spend *more* money on music than previously?? Sorry for draging this out. -- Mike -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
So perhaps I should invite girls round rather than boys?! ; )) Anya From: Ryan Snowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue 29/Apr/2003 12:53 GMT To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case I find having lots of vinyl makes girls really impressed so they want to sleep with me __ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.
Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
Ryan Snowden wrote: I find having lots of vinyl makes girls really impressed so they want to sleep with me Ahhh, that's where I'm going wrong! I need more vinyl obviously! ;) -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 April 2003 13:53 To: 'Michael Lees' Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case Yeah I totally agree with that - Ive started downloading stuff I wouldn't think of buying / Ive not heard before and have ended up splashing out on the vinyl - you kinda get that try before u buy thing - which is nice :/ -Original Message- From: Michael Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:16 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case I'm on the side of the artist but it's difficult to know what to do because as a font designer I can tell you I have seen my work all over the place, knowing that the font hasn't been paid for, and while I enjoy seeing my work on flyer/sites/videos I know there's very little I can do and life is too short to be bitter... I agree and while I too am on the side of the artist it seems to me the people who have most to lose and hence kick up the biggest fuss are the *big* artists and the middle men. I think these types of people are overpaid anyway. While I think it's fair enough these people should be paid for tours, hard work etc. I do think CDs are far too expensive and too many rich people make too much money from them. These days I seem to buy most of my records online and file sharing helps me a lot. I've lost count of the records I've heard mentioned or heard in a mix that I've later found on slsk and then ordered online. For me it beats going into a record store and saying have you got the one that goes 'dumm dumm dumm' :) Plus if like me there aren't many decent small record stores nearby then buying online is a necessity not an option. From my personal experience, which I'm sure isn't unique, file sharing has made me spend *more* money on music than previously?? Sorry for draging this out. -- Mike -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
- you kinda get that try before u buy thing - are you kidding?! you are never supposed to try before you buy! you should trust that gargantuan media conglomerates are always looking out for you entertainment needs! you will pay for whatever Sony tells you to buy, onsite... and you will enjoy the enriching audio experience. download anymore copyrighted play tracks, and execs will have to sublet their mansions! don't you care? :-P peace, lrh -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:53 AM To: 'Michael Lees' Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case Yeah I totally agree with that - Ive started downloading stuff I wouldn't think of buying / Ive not heard before and have ended up splashing out on the vinyl - you kinda get that try before u buy thing - which is nice :/ -Original Message- From: Michael Lees [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 1:16 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case I'm on the side of the artist but it's difficult to know what to do because as a font designer I can tell you I have seen my work all over the place, knowing that the font hasn't been paid for, and while I enjoy seeing my work on flyer/sites/videos I know there's very little I can do and life is too short to be bitter... I agree and while I too am on the side of the artist it seems to me the people who have most to lose and hence kick up the biggest fuss are the *big* artists and the middle men. I think these types of people are overpaid anyway. While I think it's fair enough these people should be paid for tours, hard work etc. I do think CDs are far too expensive and too many rich people make too much money from them. These days I seem to buy most of my records online and file sharing helps me a lot. I've lost count of the records I've heard mentioned or heard in a mix that I've later found on slsk and then ordered online. For me it beats going into a record store and saying have you got the one that goes 'dumm dumm dumm' :) Plus if like me there aren't many decent small record stores nearby then buying online is a necessity not an option. From my personal experience, which I'm sure isn't unique, file sharing has made me spend *more* money on music than previously?? Sorry for draging this out. -- Mike -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
What really bugs me is companies like sony who go out to shut down file sharing services but happily punt mp3 players - in fact last time I went to dixons there was a sign above the mp3 players illustrating Download / Rip music - Portable Mp3 Player. Surely if they outlawed file-sharing software they'd have to outlaw mp3 players by the same twisted logic ? /rant ;) Marc -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case File-Sharing Judgment in U.S. Frustrates Entertainment Firms --- Industry May Mount Fight To Quash Illegal Copying Of Protected Works on Web By Anna Wilde Mathews in Los Angeles and Nick Wingfield in San Francisco 1,135 words 28 April 2003 The Wall Street Journal Europe A1 English (Copyright (c) 2003, Dow Jones Company, Inc.) A U.S. federal court dealt a major blow to the entertainment industry's fight against Internet file-sharing software, a ruling that will likely force the industry to intensify its legal pursuit of individuals who distribute copyrighted works through online swapping networks. Friday's ruling came in a case brought by major record labels, movie studios and music publishers against Grokster Ltd. and StreamCast Networks Inc., which provide file-sharing software called Grokster and Morpheus that allows users to trade music and movie files between their computers. But rather than shut down the file-sharing software, as the industry hoped, U.S. District Court Judge Stephen V. Wilson in Los Angeles ruled that Grokster and StreamCast aren't breaking copyright laws by making their software available. That is largely because the companies aren't operating centralized services that allow them to monitor the activities -- and copyright infringements -- of their users. The companies didn't have actual knowledge of infringement at a time when they can use that knowledge to stop the particular infringement, he wrote. Kazaa, a file-sharing program owned by Sharman Networks Ltd., wasn't covered in the ruling. Courts had ruled against companies that facilitate online swapping of copyrighted works, including Napster Inc., which closed in the summer of 2001 after a federal court in San Francisco ordered it to remove pirated music from its service. But Napster's service operated by hosting a central list of the files available on each user's computer, while Grokster and Morpheus simply provide software that allow users to connect directly to one another. Entertainment companies said they will appeal. But if it stands, the ruling will squarely focus their legal efforts on the individual users who are large-scale online distributors of tunes and films -- a direction in which record labels have already been moving. Indeed, even as they played down the decision's importance, the industry emphasized the ruling's view that indivdual file-sharers' activities are illegal. Peer-to-peer users' acts are illegal and the court recognized this, said Zach Horowitz, president and chief operating officer of Vivendi Universal SA's Universal Music Group, the biggest music company. File-sharing software providers may have won a temporary legal victory, but they will ultimately lose the long-term battle because of the dangers and deficiencies inherent in their systems, he added. Jack Valenti, chief executive of the Motion Picture Association of America, said the ruling reaffirmed copying works is stealing, adding, we have an excellent chance of obliterating this decision on appeal. The peer-to-peer software firms said the ruling exonerated them, however. It also lent them a new legitimacy that may help draw investments, advertising and other support that has been slow to come while their legal future was in jeopardy. For the last month or so everyone assumed we would lose this suit, said Wayne Rosso, president of Grokster. I've been posing this question publicly -- what are you going to do when we win? Tom Bratkovich, acting CEO of StreamCast Networks, said. File-sharing software on the Internet is something the courts are going to stand by. The music companies blame peer-to-peer networks, in combination with compact-disc burning, for recent sharp declines in their sales. They have already begun warning universities and major companies that they could be liable for employees' and students' activities on their computer systems. Pursuing individual copyright infringers is a cumbersome process, however, in part because it is very difficult to identify who the abusers are without a subpoena. The industry has made some progress on that point. So far a federal judge in Washington D.C. has backed their argument that Internet service providers, such as Verizon Communications Inc., must identify customers when
Re: (313) Music Downloading Co Wins Case
Hey Marc. I figure The Plan is to own file sharing not stop it, same old same old - tapes/video/floppies and on and on... 28/4/03 4:41 PM Langsman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What really bugs me is companies like sony who go out to shut down file sharing services but happily punt mp3 players - in fact last time I went to dixons there was a sign above the mp3 players illustrating Download / Rip music - Portable Mp3 Player. Surely if they outlawed file-sharing software they'd have to outlaw mp3 players by the same twisted logic ? /rant ;) Marc
