Re: (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids
Doesn't matter who they are, what music they listen to, how they dress, how old they are... it's a tragic. I'm sure in the coming days there will be things, sings or behavior, that should have been paid attention to. Always seems like there are. The media hounds will blame the kids and the music because the harder questions are just to difficult to deal with when you still have the sports and weather to report. MEK Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] ta.comTo 313@hyperreal.org 03/26/06 06:47 PM cc Subject (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids It's hard to say what motivated the shooter. There is even speculation he planned to attack the official party itself which was well-run on a heavily traveled street and finished at the early hour (for me anyway :) of 4 am. When they say, the freaks come out, Seattle knows how to do that and be cool with it. The Seattle scene has always been an ever-changing melange and people cross readily between music genres because they are *friends*, you know. The boundaries are much less than they are in other parts of the country, from what I have observed, and there is a lot of crossover between electronic and regular band scenes as the interests of those already identified as victims indicates. And there is less of the segregation by age groups that has occurred in other places, certainly in Portland where I am. The people in that house were in the late teens to late 20s. This was utter violence visited on a scene that works hard to keep that out, where people actually say PLUR and mean it. Our friend groovinkim, who founded nwtekno, lives a few blocks away and says the neighborhood is semi-sketchy. This is all about a multi-ethnic youth culture trying to find a safe space to function in an increasingly unbalanced society. You can chuckle at the candy aspect of some of it but these are, through only a couple degrees of separation, our brothers and sisters in electronic dance music of *whatever* kind. fh
Re: (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids
i agree, totally a tragic the people who deserve to be shot, seldom are ;) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: Re: (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids Doesn't matter who they are, what music they listen to, how they dress, how old they are... it's a tragic. I'm sure in the coming days there will be things, sings or behavior, that should have been paid attention to. Always seems like there are. The media hounds will blame the kids and the music because the harder questions are just to difficult to deal with when you still have the sports and weather to report. MEK Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] ta.comTo 313@hyperreal.org 03/26/06 06:47 PM cc Subject (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids It's hard to say what motivated the shooter. There is even speculation he planned to attack the official party itself which was well-run on a heavily traveled street and finished at the early hour (for me anyway :) of 4 am. When they say, the freaks come out, Seattle knows how to do that and be cool with it. The Seattle scene has always been an ever-changing melange and people cross readily between music genres because they are *friends*, you know. The boundaries are much less than they are in other parts of the country, from what I have observed, and there is a lot of crossover between electronic and regular band scenes as the interests of those already identified as victims indicates. And there is less of the segregation by age groups that has occurred in other places, certainly in Portland where I am. The people in that house were in the late teens to late 20s. This was utter violence visited on a scene that works hard to keep that out, where people actually say PLUR and mean it. Our friend groovinkim, who founded nwtekno, lives a few blocks away and says the neighborhood is semi-sketchy. This is all about a multi-ethnic youth culture trying to find a safe space to function in an increasingly unbalanced society. You can chuckle at the candy aspect of some of it but these are, through only a couple degrees of separation, our brothers and sisters in electronic dance music of *whatever* kind. fh
Re: (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids
Doesn't matter who they are, what music they listen to, how they dress, how old they are... it's a tragic. I feel the core problem is that there're are WAY too many guns around in the States, everybody has access to them and can easily pack one. Sad, sad thing. Many pay with their lives for that kind of policy on a daily basis. Jan (disrupt) www.jahtari.org I'm sure in the coming days there will be things, sings or behavior, that should have been paid attention to. Always seems like there are. The media hounds will blame the kids and the music because the harder questions are just to difficult to deal with when you still have the sports and weather to report. MEK Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] ta.comTo 313@hyperreal.org 03/26/06 06:47 PM cc Subject (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids It's hard to say what motivated the shooter. There is even speculation he planned to attack the official party itself which was well-run on a heavily traveled street and finished at the early hour (for me anyway :) of 4 am. When they say, the freaks come out, Seattle knows how to do that and be cool with it. The Seattle scene has always been an ever-changing melange and people cross readily between music genres because they are *friends*, you know. The boundaries are much less than they are in other parts of the country, from what I have observed, and there is a lot of crossover between electronic and regular band scenes as the interests of those already identified as victims indicates. And there is less of the segregation by age groups that has occurred in other places, certainly in Portland where I am. The people in that house were in the late teens to late 20s. This was utter violence visited on a scene that works hard to keep that out, where people actually say PLUR and mean it. Our friend groovinkim, who founded nwtekno, lives a few blocks away and says the neighborhood is semi-sketchy. This is all about a multi-ethnic youth culture trying to find a safe space to function in an increasingly unbalanced society. You can chuckle at the candy aspect of some of it but these are, through only a couple degrees of separation, our brothers and sisters in electronic dance music of *whatever* kind. fh -- (disrupt) www.jahtari.org
Re: (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids
Oh please, let's not get into gun control, or if you want to make it about gun control, don't do it on 313. I can certainly go 10 rounds with anyone on this subject, but it won't bring back those kids, and it's a bit like THAT WAS HORRIBLE...NOW HOW DOES IT FIT WITH MY POLITICAL AGENDA. On 27 Mar 2006 10:22:30 -, disrupt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel the core problem is that there're are WAY too many guns around in the States, everybody has access to them and can easily pack one. Sad, sad thing. Many pay with their lives for that kind of policy on a daily basis.
RE: (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids
Hey, Kent, whatever your views (which I think are pretty obvious anyway) you responding to that post certainly doesn't help the *non*-perpetuation of an off-topic subject! Sure, demand that everyone abides by the rules, but don't enforce them in a partial way which all too easily looks like you're trying to stifle views which you don't agree with and are relaxed about the propagation of views - or behaviours, or the people who do them - which you like. It's only fair. Cheers, Ken -Original Message- From: Kent Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 March 2006 15:05 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids Oh please, let's not get into gun control, or if you want to make it about gun control, don't do it on 313. I can certainly go 10 rounds with anyone on this subject, but it won't bring back those kids, and it's a bit like THAT WAS HORRIBLE...NOW HOW DOES IT FIT WITH MY POLITICAL AGENDA. On 27 Mar 2006 10:22:30 -, disrupt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel the core problem is that there're are WAY too many guns around in the States, everybody has access to them and can easily pack one. Sad, sad thing. Many pay with their lives for that kind of policy on a daily basis.
Re: (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids
thank heavens the jason forrest/duran duran duran didnt turn into a thread! fab. - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: RE: (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids Hey, Kent, whatever your views (which I think are pretty obvious anyway) you responding to that post certainly doesn't help the *non*-perpetuation of an off-topic subject! Sure, demand that everyone abides by the rules, but don't enforce them in a partial way which all too easily looks like you're trying to stifle views which you don't agree with and are relaxed about the propagation of views - or behaviours, or the people who do them - which you like. It's only fair. Cheers, Ken -Original Message- From: Kent Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 March 2006 15:05 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Re: [313) r.i.p Capitol Hill Kids Oh please, let's not get into gun control, or if you want to make it about gun control, don't do it on 313. I can certainly go 10 rounds with anyone on this subject, but it won't bring back those kids, and it's a bit like THAT WAS HORRIBLE...NOW HOW DOES IT FIT WITH MY POLITICAL AGENDA. On 27 Mar 2006 10:22:30 -, disrupt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel the core problem is that there're are WAY too many guns around in the States, everybody has access to them and can easily pack one. Sad, sad thing. Many pay with their lives for that kind of policy on a daily basis. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/293 - Release Date: 26/03/2006
