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> Paging Greg Earle . . . for a second opinion . . . On the Ath? Or in general ... My quick 2 cents (that's 1/2 of a Euro cent, by the time you read this): 1999 - Luxor: oops, that wasn't the DEMF 2000 - Uh, wait, I was in Tokyo being an idiot 2001 - Ren Center Marriott: Nice hotel, pricey ($189 a night at the time), getting back up to your room at the end of the night was a nightmare. Other than that, nice place to stay. 2002 - Athenaeum: Really nice hotel, way pricey, had to walk a few more blocks, no biggie. Only recommended if you can split a room there 3 ways (double room plus sofa bed). Then it becomes somewhat affordable. Scare: Hotel staff found a small amount of Mary Jew Wanna (not mine), threatened to throw us out. Cooler heads prevailed, but you might wanna consider a more laid-back hotel :-) 2003 - Pontchartrain: OK hotel, not too pricey, good location, way too much chaos from the stupid patio parties, not to mention noise, don't think I'll go back. My recommendation: do the Ath thing if you've got 2 good roommates. Otherwise, I'd look elsewhere if you're solo, maybe to one of the hotels not mentioned above (Courtyard, Holiday Inn, etc.) - Greg (who can't remember the last year he spent that weekend at home)
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I saw Mark's room...it was phat! Already booked one there for this year. Only thing though it's rather difficult (not impossible) to bring in a large cache of your own alcoholic beverages to enjoy in your room. They stopped us last year for a 12 pack. Peace, Alex Fred Heutte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/23/2004 08:24 PM To <313@hyperreal.org> cc Subject Fw: Re: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad Paging Greg Earle . . . for a second opinion . . . fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:25:05 -0500 It's all about the Atheneum...period.
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Paging Greg Earle . . . for a second opinion . . . fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:25:05 -0500 It's all about the Atheneum...period.
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It's all about the Atheneum...period.
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> can cram most of this list in one of those rooms - practically just in the > bathtub! ;) > > Tristan Are you trying to say something Tristan?
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- Original Message - From: "robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad > we're booked in at the Shorecrest Motor Inn, $69 a night... > > the place is located on E. Jefferson Ave. (http://www.shorecrestmi.com/) Does anyone know of a place you can book the Shorecrest through a secure form? I'll just give them a call if not, but would prefer to get an email confirmation from them. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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now that's an idea. skip the bathtub and all, of course. lol! -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 2:44 PM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:23 AM Subject: Re: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad > The Marriott is the most expensive hotel I've ever come across - anywhere! The Athenium is pricier, but it's also the dopest hotel in the world. You can cram most of this list in one of those rooms - practically just in the bathtub! ;) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm up for a 313 meet this year... I was really looking forward to last years, but I had a PA on the radio that night and wasn't sure I could get across detroit in time :( I'd like to listen/play with everyones rare records (scratch :p -Joe or the ramada of doom On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > hey man, > > I'll def meet up with you. I'm originally from detroit, living in belgium > right now. > > I'll probably be having my annual 313 meetups as well. > > hotels close to the action: > ponchartrain > marriot in rennasaince center (spelling?) > but those are likley to be expensive, as they have realized that alot of > people come for this thing. if you want cheap and somewhat close - > knights inn and comfort inn. > > ez. > > dns. > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Philip wrote: > > > > > Peeps > > > > Wow. I wasn't sure that i'd ever be doing this but i am going to be able > > to go to movement this year. Can anyone give me a reccommendation of a > > reasonably priced hotel that's near all the action ? i am looking for > > something pretty simple - just somewhere to sleep occasionally. > > > > Also anyone else who is going wants to meet up please drop me a line. I > > like funky techno & house. I can dance a little bit and am hopefully not > > a complete embarrasment at parties. I don't drink much or get messy. I > > like food too. I can provide references & a photo. > > > > :^) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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- Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:23 AM Subject: Re: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad > The Marriott is the most expensive hotel I've ever come across - anywhere! The Athenium is pricier, but it's also the dopest hotel in the world. You can cram most of this list in one of those rooms - practically just in the bathtub! ;) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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or the ramada of doom On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > hey man, > > I'll def meet up with you. I'm originally from detroit, living in belgium > right now. > > I'll probably be having my annual 313 meetups as well. > > hotels close to the action: > ponchartrain > marriot in rennasaince center (spelling?) > but those are likley to be expensive, as they have realized that alot of > people come for this thing. if you want cheap and somewhat close - > knights inn and comfort inn. > > ez. > > dns. > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Philip wrote: > > > > > Peeps > > > > Wow. I wasn't sure that i'd ever be doing this but i am going to be able > > to go to movement this year. Can anyone give me a reccommendation of a > > reasonably priced hotel that's near all the action ? i am looking for > > something pretty simple - just somewhere to sleep occasionally. > > > > Also anyone else who is going wants to meet up please drop me a line. I > > like funky techno & house. I can dance a little bit and am hopefully not > > a complete embarrasment at parties. I don't drink much or get messy. I > > like food too. I can provide references & a photo. > > > > :^) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna stay at the Pontch again this year (unless I can't find anything else). The rooms smelled kinda funky and it was party central. There were many disrespectful guests who trashed the facilities. I felt bad for the cleaning staff - actually all the staff there were really nice to us and worked extra hard to keep up with the losers trashing the place. Oh, and the crowd that came in for the balcony parties - frightening!!! It *was* really, really close to Hart Plaza so it's ideal for location. Lisa - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:55 am Subject: Re: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad > > > > > Well, our experience last year at the Pontch wasn't that good. > Too many > *really* inconsiderate people - you could just tell by the look on the > hotel staff faces that they hated us all. The people in the rooms > next to > us got kicked out early by hotel security in the middle of the > night which > made getting some sleep in the early morning a lot easier. The > hallways get > trashed with used room service food and flyers all over the place. > Since they now are hosting parties on the 2nd floor terrace the > place has > become a trash dump plus the music they play sucks @ss - the elevators > which already took a long time to arrive now take even longer, > they run out > of their computer cables faster than I can type this sentence, > parking in > the area if you drive or rent a car is sparse - don't park in a ramp > because they will most likely close for the weekend and you won't > get your > car out and you'll be paying $40-50 for what is essentially the > non-secure > storage of your vehicle. > There's more than this but I just can't think of it all right now - > I don't > blame the hotel but rather those people who come to visit and > don't think > twice about the people who actually are working that weekend to > keep us all > happy customers. > > The good things about the Pontch - breakfast buffet on Sunday > morning can't > be beat - just don't fall asleep in your eggs, the views if you > get a room > on the river side are fantastic, the proximity to the festival is > great,and when you get to hear the hotel security kick out a bunch > of idiots with > two more days left to the festival you get to fall off the bed > laughing and > then finally get some sleep. > > MEK > > > > > "Stewart Caig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "LR T" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > soul.co.uk> cc: > <313@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: (313) > hotel stuff / movement personal ad > 02/23/04 09:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I loved the Pontchartrain when I hit Detroit 3 years back, > not only > was > the service excellent (Room service were always really quick and > polite,possibly down to the large tips we were throwing them > though, the bar staff > were all friendly too), but we were able to pretty much run riot > throughthe > hotel for 4 days! I spent one crazy late night getting smashed in just > about > room on my floor, which was soley populated by DEMF goers, music > blared out > some rooms and people partied, hung out, got wasted and passed out > in the > corridors and everything. It was all quite messy, but Id definatly > go back > if I ever do the festival again. > > Stewart > > - Original Message - > From: "LR T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:19 PM > Subject: RE: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad > > > > We got a pretty cheap room at the Courtyard hotel last year. It > is a > block > > or two away from Hart Plaza. Definitely preferred that over the > > Pontchartrain where I experienced the worst hotel service I > think I have > > ever
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Well, our experience last year at the Pontch wasn't that good. Too many
*really* inconsiderate people - you could just tell by the look on the
hotel staff faces that they hated us all. The people in the rooms next to
us got kicked out early by hotel security in the middle of the night which
made getting some sleep in the early morning a lot easier. The hallways get
trashed with used room service food and flyers all over the place.
Since they now are hosting parties on the 2nd floor terrace the place has
become a trash dump plus the music they play sucks @ss - the elevators
which already took a long time to arrive now take even longer, they run out
of their computer cables faster than I can type this sentence, parking in
the area if you drive or rent a car is sparse - don't park in a ramp
because they will most likely close for the weekend and you won't get your
car out and you'll be paying $40-50 for what is essentially the non-secure
storage of your vehicle.
There's more than this but I just can't think of it all right now - I don't
blame the hotel but rather those people who come to visit and don't think
twice about the people who actually are working that weekend to keep us all
happy customers.
The good things about the Pontch - breakfast buffet on Sunday morning can't
be beat - just don't fall asleep in your eggs, the views if you get a room
on the river side are fantastic, the proximity to the festival is great,
and when you get to hear the hotel security kick out a bunch of idiots with
two more days left to the festival you get to fall off the bed laughing and
then finally get some sleep.
MEK
"Stewart Caig"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "LR T" <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>
soul.co.uk> cc: <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: (313) hotel stuff
/ movement personal ad
02/23/04 09:31 AM
Wow, I loved the Pontchartrain when I hit Detroit 3 years back, not only
was
the service excellent (Room service were always really quick and polite,
possibly down to the large tips we were throwing them though, the bar staff
were all friendly too), but we were able to pretty much run riot through
the
hotel for 4 days! I spent one crazy late night getting smashed in just
about
room on my floor, which was soley populated by DEMF goers, music blared out
some rooms and people partied, hung out, got wasted and passed out in the
corridors and everything. It was all quite messy, but Id definatly go back
if I ever do the festival again.
Stewart
- Original Message -
From: "LR T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:19 PM
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> We got a pretty cheap room at the Courtyard hotel last year. It is a
block
> or two away from Hart Plaza. Definitely preferred that over the
> Pontchartrain where I experienced the worst hotel service I think I have
> ever had in my life.
> Lara
>
>
> >From: "Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
> >Subject: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad
> >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:49:26 +1100
> >
> >
> >Peeps
> >
> >Wow. I wasn't sure that i'd ever be doing this but i am going to be able
> >to go to movement this year. Can anyone give me a reccommendation of a
> >reasonably priced hotel that's near all the action ? i am looking for
> >something pretty simple - just somewhere to sleep occasionally.
> >
> >Also anyone else who is going wants to meet up please drop me a line. I
> >like funky techno & house. I can dance a little bit and am hopefully not
> >a complete embarrasment at parties. I don't drink much or get messy. I
> >like food too. I can provide references & a photo.
> >
> >:^)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _
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we're booked in at the Shorecrest Motor Inn, $69 a night... the place is located on E. Jefferson Ave. (http://www.shorecrestmi.com/) can't wait! robin... Carissa Tintinalli wrote: This year I'll be staying at the Holiday Inn Express on Washington and Lafayette (used to be the Best Western). They have rooms for $89/night right now if you book online (http://www.holiday-inn.com). It seems to be the only bigger hotel within walking distance that's under $100, excluding the Ramada, but that place can be quite a disaster. The Holiday Inn also has complimentary breakfast and an indoor pool! I think Dennis already mentioned a couple motels in the area. All of the major online discount sites (Travelocity, Expedia, Hotwire, etc.) seem to be offering the three major hotels (Pontchartrain, RenCen Marriot, Courtyard Marriot) for nothing lower that $120. > > >From: "Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad > >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:49:26 +1100 > > > > > >Peeps > > > >Wow. I wasn't sure that i'd ever be doing this but i am going to be able > >to go to movement this year. Can anyone give me a reccommendation of a > >reasonably priced hotel that's near all the action ? i am looking for > >something pretty simple - just somewhere to sleep occasionally. > > > >Also anyone else who is going wants to meet up please drop me a line. I > >like funky techno & house. I can dance a little bit and am hopefully not > >a complete embarrasment at parties. I don't drink much or get messy. I > >like food too. I can provide references & a photo. > > > >:^) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ > > _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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This year I'll be staying at the Holiday Inn Express on Washington and Lafayette (used to be the Best Western). They have rooms for $89/night right now if you book online (http://www.holiday-inn.com). It seems to be the only bigger hotel within walking distance that's under $100, excluding the Ramada, but that place can be quite a disaster. The Holiday Inn also has complimentary breakfast and an indoor pool! I think Dennis already mentioned a couple motels in the area. All of the major online discount sites (Travelocity, Expedia, Hotwire, etc.) seem to be offering the three major hotels (Pontchartrain, RenCen Marriot, Courtyard Marriot) for nothing lower that $120. > > >From: "Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad > >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:49:26 +1100 > > > > > >Peeps > > > >Wow. I wasn't sure that i'd ever be doing this but i am going to be able > >to go to movement this year. Can anyone give me a reccommendation of a > >reasonably priced hotel that's near all the action ? i am looking for > >something pretty simple - just somewhere to sleep occasionally. > > > >Also anyone else who is going wants to meet up please drop me a line. I > >like funky techno & house. I can dance a little bit and am hopefully not > >a complete embarrasment at parties. I don't drink much or get messy. I > >like food too. I can provide references & a photo. > > > >:^) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ > > _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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Wow, I loved the Pontchartrain when I hit Detroit 3 years back, not only was the service excellent (Room service were always really quick and polite, possibly down to the large tips we were throwing them though, the bar staff were all friendly too), but we were able to pretty much run riot through the hotel for 4 days! I spent one crazy late night getting smashed in just about room on my floor, which was soley populated by DEMF goers, music blared out some rooms and people partied, hung out, got wasted and passed out in the corridors and everything. It was all quite messy, but Id definatly go back if I ever do the festival again. Stewart - Original Message - From: "LR T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: RE: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad > We got a pretty cheap room at the Courtyard hotel last year. It is a block > or two away from Hart Plaza. Definitely preferred that over the > Pontchartrain where I experienced the worst hotel service I think I have > ever had in my life. > Lara > > > >From: "Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad > >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:49:26 +1100 > > > > > >Peeps > > > >Wow. I wasn't sure that i'd ever be doing this but i am going to be able > >to go to movement this year. Can anyone give me a reccommendation of a > >reasonably priced hotel that's near all the action ? i am looking for > >something pretty simple - just somewhere to sleep occasionally. > > > >Also anyone else who is going wants to meet up please drop me a line. I > >like funky techno & house. I can dance a little bit and am hopefully not > >a complete embarrasment at parties. I don't drink much or get messy. I > >like food too. I can provide references & a photo. > > > >:^) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ > >
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At 10:19 AM 2/23/2004, LR T wrote: We got a pretty cheap room at the Courtyard hotel last year. It is a block or two away from Hart Plaza. Definitely preferred that over the Pontchartrain where I experienced the worst hotel service I think I have ever had in my life. Is this what used to be a Best Western? My Rhode Island sense of directions requires this information. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.dirty.org/~mkb Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Atlantek, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We got a pretty cheap room at the Courtyard hotel last year. It is a block or two away from Hart Plaza. Definitely preferred that over the Pontchartrain where I experienced the worst hotel service I think I have ever had in my life. Lara From: "Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:49:26 +1100 Peeps Wow. I wasn't sure that i'd ever be doing this but i am going to be able to go to movement this year. Can anyone give me a reccommendation of a reasonably priced hotel that's near all the action ? i am looking for something pretty simple - just somewhere to sleep occasionally. Also anyone else who is going wants to meet up please drop me a line. I like funky techno & house. I can dance a little bit and am hopefully not a complete embarrasment at parties. I don't drink much or get messy. I like food too. I can provide references & a photo. :^) _ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/
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The Marriott is the most expensive hotel I've ever come across - anywhere! You can get five star accom in Sydney for less and it's way more plush. I stayed in Atlanta in a five star and that was the same and wayyy wayyy wa more plush. But the people are really nice. If you're male and in a group you can afford to go someplace further away and cheaper. You also need a good sense of direction for the Marriott, they kinda change everything yearly. It's the Detroit Labyrinth methinks. ;) -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: Philip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: (313) hotel stuff / movement personal ad >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:18 PM > > hey man, > > I'll def meet up with you. I'm originally from detroit, living in belgium > right now. > > I'll probably be having my annual 313 meetups as well. > > hotels close to the action: > ponchartrain > marriot in rennasaince center (spelling?) > but those are likley to be expensive, as they have realized that alot of > people come for this thing. if you want cheap and somewhat close - > knights inn and comfort inn. > > ez. > > dns. > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Philip wrote: > >> >> Peeps >> >> Wow. I wasn't sure that i'd ever be doing this but i am going to be able >> to go to movement this year. Can anyone give me a reccommendation of a >> reasonably priced hotel that's near all the action ? i am looking for >> something pretty simple - just somewhere to sleep occasionally. >> >> Also anyone else who is going wants to meet up please drop me a line. I >> like funky techno & house. I can dance a little bit and am hopefully not >> a complete embarrasment at parties. I don't drink much or get messy. I >> like food too. I can provide references & a photo. >> >> :^) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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I'll vouch for Philip. You can go to a restaurant and he won't play with his food, nor smear it on his face. Rarely abuses wait staff, and will pay his half of the bill. ;) Benn On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:49:26 +1100, "Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Peeps > > Wow. I wasn't sure that i'd ever be doing this but i am going to be able > to go to movement this year. Can anyone give me a reccommendation of a > reasonably priced hotel that's near all the action ? i am looking for > something pretty simple - just somewhere to sleep occasionally. > > Also anyone else who is going wants to meet up please drop me a line. I > like funky techno & house. I can dance a little bit and am hopefully not > a complete embarrasment at parties. I don't drink much or get messy. I > like food too. I can provide references & a photo. > > :^) > > > > > > > > > > -- Benn Glazier email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +61 (0)413 316 618 http://www.royaltech.net
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hey man, I'll def meet up with you. I'm originally from detroit, living in belgium right now. I'll probably be having my annual 313 meetups as well. hotels close to the action: ponchartrain marriot in rennasaince center (spelling?) but those are likley to be expensive, as they have realized that alot of people come for this thing. if you want cheap and somewhat close - knights inn and comfort inn. ez. dns. On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Philip wrote: > > Peeps > > Wow. I wasn't sure that i'd ever be doing this but i am going to be able > to go to movement this year. Can anyone give me a reccommendation of a > reasonably priced hotel that's near all the action ? i am looking for > something pretty simple - just somewhere to sleep occasionally. > > Also anyone else who is going wants to meet up please drop me a line. I > like funky techno & house. I can dance a little bit and am hopefully not > a complete embarrasment at parties. I don't drink much or get messy. I > like food too. I can provide references & a photo. > > :^) > > > > > > > >
