Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
On 8 Sep 2009, at 08:43, Ravinder S Mann wrote: Im having problems with my usual account so turning to Gmail. Anyhow. . . Interview with DJ Bone Discussing American attitudes to techno, Detroit, Berlin, lovers and haterz. http://www.smartshanghai.com/blog/1353/Interview:_DJ_Bone.html Can't believe he played China, each to their own and that but... m
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
Plenty of DJs play there. Israel, Indonesia, Britain and the US too. ;) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 10:20 To: Ravinder S Mann Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview On 8 Sep 2009, at 08:43, Ravinder S Mann wrote: Im having problems with my usual account so turning to Gmail. Anyhow. . . Interview with DJ Bone Discussing American attitudes to techno, Detroit, Berlin, lovers and haterz. http://www.smartshanghai.com/blog/1353/Interview:_DJ_Bone.html Can't believe he played China, each to their own and that but... m # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
Indeed, it's arguably progressive that a Detroit techno DJ *can* play there nowadays. Why should the people be deprived of creative influences from overseas because of the repressive State regime? I don't see the logic of that. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:rdtay...@channel4.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:33 AM To: Martin Dust; Ravinder S Mann Cc: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) DJ Bones interview Plenty of DJs play there. Israel, Indonesia, Britain and the US too. ;) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 10:20 To: Ravinder S Mann Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview On 8 Sep 2009, at 08:43, Ravinder S Mann wrote: Im having problems with my usual account so turning to Gmail. Anyhow. . . Interview with DJ Bone Discussing American attitudes to techno, Detroit, Berlin, lovers and haterz. http://www.smartshanghai.com/blog/1353/Interview:_DJ_Bone.html Can't believe he played China, each to their own and that but... m # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
When Surgeon played out there, it was largely to an ex-pat crowd, rather than 'the people' Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 11:14 To: Robert Taylor; Martin Dust; Ravinder S Mann Cc: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) DJ Bones interview Indeed, it's arguably progressive that a Detroit techno DJ *can* play there nowadays. Why should the people be deprived of creative influences from overseas because of the repressive State regime? I don't see the logic of that. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:rdtay...@channel4.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:33 AM To: Martin Dust; Ravinder S Mann Cc: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) DJ Bones interview Plenty of DJs play there. Israel, Indonesia, Britain and the US too. ;) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 10:20 To: Ravinder S Mann Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview On 8 Sep 2009, at 08:43, Ravinder S Mann wrote: Im having problems with my usual account so turning to Gmail. Anyhow. . . Interview with DJ Bone Discussing American attitudes to techno, Detroit, Berlin, lovers and haterz. http://www.smartshanghai.com/blog/1353/Interview:_DJ_Bone.html Can't believe he played China, each to their own and that but... m # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
Its a tricky one. Bringing the music to a potentially huge market v. playing insert oppressive state but I doubt he got paid loads or paid any money to sponsor the said oppressive state. It might even inspire listeners to chanllenge the status quo. Ravinder. 2009/9/8 Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com: On 8 Sep 2009, at 08:43, Ravinder S Mann wrote: Im having problems with my usual account so turning to Gmail. Anyhow. . . Interview with DJ Bone Discussing American attitudes to techno, Detroit, Berlin, lovers and haterz. http://www.smartshanghai.com/blog/1353/Interview:_DJ_Bone.html Can't believe he played China, each to their own and that but... m
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
Fair enough. That still doesn't make it a bad thing, in my view. And it's still a move toward liberalization rather than the other way round. Ken -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:rdtay...@channel4.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:16 AM To: Odeluga, Ken; Martin Dust; Ravinder S Mann Cc: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) DJ Bones interview When Surgeon played out there, it was largely to an ex-pat crowd, rather than 'the people' Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 11:14 To: Robert Taylor; Martin Dust; Ravinder S Mann Cc: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) DJ Bones interview Indeed, it's arguably progressive that a Detroit techno DJ *can* play there nowadays. Why should the people be deprived of creative influences from overseas because of the repressive State regime? I don't see the logic of that. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:rdtay...@channel4.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:33 AM To: Martin Dust; Ravinder S Mann Cc: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) DJ Bones interview Plenty of DJs play there. Israel, Indonesia, Britain and the US too. ;) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 10:20 To: Ravinder S Mann Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview On 8 Sep 2009, at 08:43, Ravinder S Mann wrote: Im having problems with my usual account so turning to Gmail. Anyhow. . . Interview with DJ Bone Discussing American attitudes to techno, Detroit, Berlin, lovers and haterz. http://www.smartshanghai.com/blog/1353/Interview:_DJ_Bone.html Can't believe he played China, each to their own and that but... m # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
On 8 Sep 2009, at 11:13, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Indeed, it's arguably progressive that a Detroit techno DJ *can* play there nowadays. Why should the people be deprived of creative influences from overseas because of the repressive State regime? I don't see the logic of that. As Rob pointed out, it's hardly the people Ken and I just choose not to support an oppressive regime or the bourgeoisie expat milking the fcuk out of everyone else - take about cheap holiday in other peoples misery...not for me. m
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
So when anyone visits China and goes to a DJ Bone or Surgeon gig, they're a bourgeois expat milking the fcuk out of everyone. Blimey! -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:27 AM To: Odeluga, Ken; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview On 8 Sep 2009, at 11:13, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Indeed, it's arguably progressive that a Detroit techno DJ *can* play there nowadays. Why should the people be deprived of creative influences from overseas because of the repressive State regime? I don't see the logic of that. As Rob pointed out, it's hardly the people Ken and I just choose not to support an oppressive regime or the bourgeoisie expat milking the fcuk out of everyone else - take about cheap holiday in other peoples misery...not for me. m
Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
I would argue that the USA and UK have regimes that are just as bad as China. By your logic DJ's shouldn't play at all! ~David Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2009, at 11:13, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Indeed, it's arguably progressive that a Detroit techno DJ *can* play there nowadays. Why should the people be deprived of creative influences from overseas because of the repressive State regime? I don't see the logic of that. As Rob pointed out, it's hardly the people Ken and I just choose not to support an oppressive regime or the bourgeoisie expat milking the fcuk out of everyone else - take about cheap holiday in other peoples misery...not for me. m
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
Not quite as repressive - they don't tend to lock people up for speaking their mind in the US and the UK - well, only a few Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: David Powers [mailto:cybo...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 16:20 To: Martin Dust Cc: Ken Odeluga; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview I would argue that the USA and UK have regimes that are just as bad as China. By your logic DJ's shouldn't play at all! ~David Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Sep 2009, at 11:13, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Indeed, it's arguably progressive that a Detroit techno DJ *can* play there nowadays. Why should the people be deprived of creative influences from overseas because of the repressive State regime? I don't see the logic of that. As Rob pointed out, it's hardly the people Ken and I just choose not to support an oppressive regime or the bourgeoisie expat milking the fcuk out of everyone else - take about cheap holiday in other peoples misery...not for me. m # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
It's hard to respond to your post when you seem to be replying to things I never said. I didn't claim to understand politics there and neither did I say that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture. Maybe you're replying to the wrong person - it's hard to tell as you haven't quoted anyone Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:etmach...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:19 To: Robert Taylor Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview China is a big country. In some places people are persecuted for things they are not elsewhere. It's a very complex country and as everyone knows it's in the midst of a rapid transformation. Who are you, as an uninformed foreigner, to presume you understand the politics there...and to then make some leap of logic that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture? It sounds utterly moronic to me. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
this echoes my sentiments also. Having issues with China's politics is one thing, but the place is huger than Europe... who is to say what some fella in Bejing would make of a dj with three turn tables who calls himself Bone. ;-) $0.02 China is a big country. In some places people are persecuted for things they are not elsewhere. It's a very complex country and as everyone knows it's in the midst of a rapid transformation. Who are you, as an uninformed foreigner, to presume you understand the politics there...and to then make some leap of logic that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture? It sounds utterly moronic to me.
Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
On 8 Sep 2009, at 17:31, JT Stewart wrote: Oh for f's sake. Replace you with we. I'm speaking in generalities. But you did seem to insinuating that only ex-pats would come out, as per your Surgeon example. Perhaps I read into that? It seemed to represent a larger point. That was me JT, I said the scene was for the ex-pats and the rich. m
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
The man himself said he played to a mostly ex-pat crowd when he posted the set he played in Shanghai to his site Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:etmach...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:32 To: Robert Taylor Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview Oh for f's sake. Replace you with we. I'm speaking in generalities. But you did seem to insinuating that only ex-pats would come out, as per your Surgeon example. Perhaps I read into that? It seemed to represent a larger point. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Robert Taylorrdtay...@channel4.co.uk wrote: It's hard to respond to your post when you seem to be replying to things I never said. I didn't claim to understand politics there and neither did I say that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture. Maybe you're replying to the wrong person - it's hard to tell as you haven't quoted anyone Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:etmach...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:19 To: Robert Taylor Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview China is a big country. In some places people are persecuted for things they are not elsewhere. It's a very complex country and as everyone knows it's in the midst of a rapid transformation. Who are you, as an uninformed foreigner, to presume you understand the politics there...and to then make some leap of logic that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture? It sounds utterly moronic to me. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
there is also the issue of 'accepting elitist techno' into Chinese territory too, no? I was surprised that he was even allowed to play at all... C The man himself said he played to a mostly ex-pat crowd when he posted the set he played in Shanghai to his site Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:etmach...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:32 To: Robert Taylor Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview Oh for f's sake. Replace you with we. I'm speaking in generalities. But you did seem to insinuating that only ex-pats would come out, as per your Surgeon example. Perhaps I read into that? It seemed to represent a larger point. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Robert Taylorrdtay...@channel4.co.uk wrote: It's hard to respond to your post when you seem to be replying to things I never said. I didn't claim to understand politics there and neither did I say that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture. Maybe you're replying to the wrong person - it's hard to tell as you haven't quoted anyone Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:etmach...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:19 To: Robert Taylor Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview China is a big country. In some places people are persecuted for things they are not elsewhere. It's a very complex country and as everyone knows it's in the midst of a rapid transformation. Who are you, as an uninformed foreigner, to presume you understand the politics there...and to then make some leap of logic that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture? It sounds utterly moronic to me. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
The UK may not as bad, but objectively, the US is the world leader in repression as evidenced by the US incarceration rate. Note I'm not arguing whether such is repression is right or wrong, nor am I presenting causal factors; I am merely stating that we imprison more people here than anywhere else in the world. Criminal justice experts from the U.S. Justice Department report that the United States has the largest prison population and highest incarceration rate in the world due to factors such as tough sentencing laws, record drug offender arrests and high crime rates. A report released by the justice department on Nov. 30 reported 1 in every 32 American adults -- or a record 7 million people -- were incarcerated, on probation or on parole at the end of 2005, with 2.2 million of them in prison or jail. The International Center for Prison Studies at King's College, London reported that this number was the highest of any country, with China ranking second with 1.5 million prisoners, and Russia sitting in third with 870,000. The United States also has the highest incarceration rate at 737 per 100,000 people, compared to nearest country Russia's 611 per 100,000 and St. Kitts and Nevis' 547. ~David On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote: On 8 Sep 2009, at 16:20, David Powers wrote: I would argue that the USA and UK have regimes that are just as bad as China. And you'd be wrong but do you really believe that David? By your logic DJ's shouldn't play at all! Most shouldn't anyway ;) m
Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
Oh for f's sake. Replace you with we. I'm speaking in generalities. But you did seem to insinuating that only ex-pats would come out, as per your Surgeon example. Perhaps I read into that? It seemed to represent a larger point. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Robert Taylorrdtay...@channel4.co.uk wrote: It's hard to respond to your post when you seem to be replying to things I never said. I didn't claim to understand politics there and neither did I say that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture. Maybe you're replying to the wrong person - it's hard to tell as you haven't quoted anyone Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:etmach...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:19 To: Robert Taylor Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview China is a big country. In some places people are persecuted for things they are not elsewhere. It's a very complex country and as everyone knows it's in the midst of a rapid transformation. Who are you, as an uninformed foreigner, to presume you understand the politics there...and to then make some leap of logic that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture? It sounds utterly moronic to me. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
On 8 Sep 2009, at 16:20, David Powers wrote: I would argue that the USA and UK have regimes that are just as bad as China. And you'd be wrong but do you really believe that David? By your logic DJ's shouldn't play at all! Most shouldn't anyway ;) m
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
I think techno is quite popular over there - didn't Technasia have a radio show that broadcasted all over techno? But I think the clubs are prohibitively expensive to all but the richest people, much like in Russia. Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: 3...@coke-smyth.net [mailto:3...@coke-smyth.net] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:56 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) DJ Bones interview there is also the issue of 'accepting elitist techno' into Chinese territory too, no? I was surprised that he was even allowed to play at all... C The man himself said he played to a mostly ex-pat crowd when he posted the set he played in Shanghai to his site Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:etmach...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:32 To: Robert Taylor Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview Oh for f's sake. Replace you with we. I'm speaking in generalities. But you did seem to insinuating that only ex-pats would come out, as per your Surgeon example. Perhaps I read into that? It seemed to represent a larger point. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Robert Taylorrdtay...@channel4.co.uk wrote: It's hard to respond to your post when you seem to be replying to things I never said. I didn't claim to understand politics there and neither did I say that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture. Maybe you're replying to the wrong person - it's hard to tell as you haven't quoted anyone Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:etmach...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:19 To: Robert Taylor Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview China is a big country. In some places people are persecuted for things they are not elsewhere. It's a very complex country and as everyone knows it's in the midst of a rapid transformation. Who are you, as an uninformed foreigner, to presume you understand the politics there...and to then make some leap of logic that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture? It sounds utterly moronic to me. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
China is a big country. In some places people are persecuted for things they are not elsewhere. It's a very complex country and as everyone knows it's in the midst of a rapid transformation. Who are you, as an uninformed foreigner, to presume you understand the politics there...and to then make some leap of logic that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture? It sounds utterly moronic to me.
Re: (313) DJ Bones interview
I think it's accurate to say that if the Chinese government thought techno music represented a threat to their continued control of China, techno DJs would not be allowed in. Personally, I work with a lot of Chinese people, and have friends working in China, and as with the USA, it's important to distinguish between the people and the government. I think it's great there's enough of a scene in Shanghai -- expat or not -- that they can fly Bone in. I'm a lot more concerned about the ever-tightening death-embrace that the USA and China are in -- they loan us money, we buy their products, and because of this two-way economic leverage, the US has no leverage over China politically. Keep in mind that the ongoing genocide in Sudan continues to be possible in large part because China is buying oil from the Sudanese government -- any other country's sanctions on Sudan mean little when China floods Sudan with hard currency.
RE: (313) DJ Bones interview
Depends what you mean by clubs. The swank high-roller set has one type of club but there are scattered more underground things happening from what I can tell, mostly hip hop and punk. Zachary Mexico is the pen name of a writer and musician who wrote an interesting book last year called Shanghai Underground that gets into this. fh - I think techno is quite popular over there - didn't Technasia have a radio show that broadcasted all over techno? But I think the clubs are prohibitively expensive to all but the richest people, much like in Russia. Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: 3...@coke-smyth.net [mailto:3...@coke-smyth.net] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:56 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) DJ Bones interview there is also the issue of 'accepting elitist techno' into Chinese territory too, no? I was surprised that he was even allowed to play at all... C The man himself said he played to a mostly ex-pat crowd when he posted the set he played in Shanghai to his site Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:etmach...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:32 To: Robert Taylor Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview Oh for f's sake. Replace you with we. I'm speaking in generalities. But you did seem to insinuating that only ex-pats would come out, as per your Surgeon example. Perhaps I read into that? It seemed to represent a larger point. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Robert Taylorrdtay...@channel4.co.uk wrote: It's hard to respond to your post when you seem to be replying to things I never said. I didn't claim to understand politics there and neither did I say that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture. Maybe you're replying to the wrong person - it's hard to tell as you haven't quoted anyone Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: JT Stewart [mailto:etmach...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 17:19 To: Robert Taylor Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bones interview China is a big country. In some places people are persecuted for things they are not elsewhere. It's a very complex country and as everyone knows it's in the midst of a rapid transformation. Who are you, as an uninformed foreigner, to presume you understand the politics there...and to then make some leap of logic that real Chinese people wouldn't appreciate outside culture? It sounds utterly moronic to me. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law
