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Thanks for this Kent... and thanks for all your hard work with admin... keep up the positive work!! Jodie From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 8/28/2006 3:22 PM To: list 313 Subject: (313) Um... I feel completely unqualified to pass judgement on anyone, which is one reason why I don't pretend to have any particular authority on 313. I got the admin job because no one else wanted it. I'm no better than anyone on this list -- I'm an attention seeking, biased, petty, immature person, just like a lot of people here. What makes this list occasionally more than a wankfest is the sense of community that it provides. It is no intrinsically cooler than 30 midwestern housewives who are really into Hummel figurines, or people who trade gay Star Trek fan fiction. We've found that group of people that share our personal obsession. I have tremendous respect for most of the people on this list, and feel like on this one thing, we see eye to eye. What matters about the 313 list is that it is a circle of friends. Friends can disagree about things in a friendly fashion. Friends can give each other crap all the live long day. But for it to work, everyone involved has to maintain a minimum level of respect for everyone else. Over the weekend, this baseline level of mutual respect went out the window, and people were getting ugly. I'm hoping it has died down by now, but I would really like to ask everyone to get back on the happy wagon and stop engaging in hateful personal insults and threats. It just bums me out, frankly, especially when I know the parties involved. And it's just so much noise to the people theoretically under discussion. They have their friends and their work, and they're successful enough in life that they have recognition by a large number of people worldwide. Whatever sh*t has been talked about them on 313 is nothing compared to the ravings of the real losers of the world who have too much free time. The only thing you gain by getting salty with them, or each other in this forum, is membership into the fool's club of their detractors You're just one blob in a demographic lump of folks who want to harsh on their mellow. That's the reason a lot of artists aren't on mailing lists. They're busy, and there are things they'd rather do than slog through our logorrhea. If you want to rip on someone's work, have at it. All I ask is that you figure out a way to be respectful. There's almost never a flame war between people who know each other in real life. Furthermore, it's difficult to judge the real tone and intent of a person simply from e-mail. You're not even seeing them through a glass darkly, you're just seeing the 3rd derivative of the person.
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so, um..is it ok then to like Hawtin on this list or not? f. ducks
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not if you want to hang out with tom forilla than u cox at the next demf (which Im sure he'll be boycotting from a safe distance, but just inside the detroit city limits (lest he be accused of not keeping it real)) fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, um..is it ok then to like Hawtin on this list or not? f. ducks
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Ahh hahaha! That was awesome! Sounds like something I'd do. Keep it real dunn. k -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:53 AM To: fab.; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Um... not if you want to hang out with tom forilla than u cox at the next demf (which Im sure he'll be boycotting from a safe distance, but just inside the detroit city limits (lest he be accused of not keeping it real)) fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, um..is it ok then to like Hawtin on this list or not? f. ducks
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It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. - Richard Hell, Epilogue, The Filth And The Fury No prizes for guessing who is the kid on this list. - Greg
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No prizes for pointing fingers either. Nice quote though - something to remember. MEK Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/28/2006 12:22:58 PM: It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. - Richard Hell, Epilogue, The Filth And The Fury No prizes for guessing who is the kid on this list. - Greg
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On 8/28/06, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. - Richard Hell, Epilogue, The Filth And The Fury No prizes for guessing who is the kid on this list. yeah, richard hell, the great philosopher, i read his work all the time. or not. i much prefer: Only sick music makes money today. Friedrich Nietzsche no prizes for guessing who will be laughing at the old cods on this list dying one by one someday. tom
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We get our payoff up front, watching the kids being clowns. On 8/28/06, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no prizes for guessing who will be laughing at the old cods on this list dying one by one someday.
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...and realizing that they're next in line. jeff -- Original message -- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] We get our payoff up front, watching the kids being clowns. On 8/28/06, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no prizes for guessing who will be laughing at the old cods on this list dying one by one someday.
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Will everyone just STFU about it already? The horse is dead and buried. No wonder people unsub from this list... MEK
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It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. - Richard Hell, Epilogue, The Filth And The Fury that's all very well for richard when he wrote that. but by that definition, adults would never do anything different or interesting. it seems he has it a bit backwards: as a kid, you're in awe and wonder at the world, soaking it all up like a sponge. it's as an adolsecent that you begin to think your 'rents aren't all that, and you have have a few ideas of your own. then those ideas can calcify and become immutable personalities who think their experience mneans they know it all, and only need to see the world through glass while on holiday. this is no attack on anyone on this list, nor does it presume to define these types by specific age ranges. obviously the best balance would be to continue both learning and contributing through out one's life. kudos to those who do. d. Sent via the WebMail system at chthonicstreams.com
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It seems to me like the dividing line, kinda, between being a kid and being an adult is that when you are a kid, you want to impose yourself on the world and change the world to be like you, and be congratulated for being yourself. The other side of that line is you realize that the world itself is interesting, and you should take a look, instead of wanting it to pay attention at you. ^ world is fascinating, true.. you dont need anyone to tell you that -if ppl need someone else to write/say it - there is no hope. same as there is no hope for sanity of the majority - brainwashed and ultimately tasteless..
