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I can see your point, but I don't quite agree. I certainly agree with your distinction, but there's more in between. A lot of it comes from more of a garage direction, but the likes of Ron Trent, Roy Davis, the Chicago lot, KOT, Blaze etc., are all organic but not wankily so - I suppose because they are coming from a garage structure. You can take it too far: for me a lot of Spiritual Life, Body Soul stuff is too much, but there is plenty of good house music. In fact it's always been a bit like that, though. What's classic house music? Chicago, and a load of dubs by Garage folk like Smack, Mood II Swing, Murk, Victor Simonelli, Blaze etc. Nothing really has changed, in that respect. As I said, though, I certainly agree with your distinctions. I can't take most of the overly live house and can't find room for the overly quirky in sets (though I listen to the latter at home a lot and I will always make room for Theo!) But for the smooth edits, solid house, good old US garage is the best place to look. Then again, most sets I play (sound all the same and?) have at most 2 records from after 1996 - maybe because I work for a second hand record shop and am always too skint to buy records with actual cash. Jonny. Like Ani I work in a record store and I'm responsible for ordering techno, house, minimal and lounge. I'm looking for innovative fresh sounds. I currently own almost all of the Klang/Playhouse/Perlon backcatalogue and I've listened to every Glasgow/Paper/GU release. Like everyone else I'm a huge Herbert fanatic, and really dig most stuff that sounds like him. My current problem with house is the lack of innovation right now (with a few exceptions). Not just in use of sounds but presentation of sounds. The advent of organic sounding house (ie. sampled drums and noises) has left no clearly definable frequency space in the music. While this creates a nice flow to the music as all the frequency ranges seem to just gel together, it leaves no room for any individual sound to breath, and thusly mixing these types of tracks together sounds muddy but warm, or as I like to call it 'a comfortable distraction'. In opposition is the dry/minimal approach, giving each sound far too much room to breath. There may be a groove but it seems that upon closer inspection the sounds just bleed themselves dry with little to no interaction. This is usually deemed 'boring'. The current dilemma I'm facing is that labels like GU/I records/Paper etc. are either getting just far too wanky (ie. instrumental solo after solo on and on), or like Perlon/Klang etc just to absorbed by things like quick edits and breakdowns to remember that a groove needs to be created (I call this 'wankin the rhythm'). Mix these to things together and you get abstract electronic music equivalent to fusion jazz, not bad to listen to once an a while but definetely not something to dance to. So to rephrase my question I'm looking for some good house/minimal akin to the last Hakan Libdo release on Paper. I want to hear about those most solid records with great sounds and smooth edits (not the typical reverse crash cymbal to piano/guitar/vocal/ambient that TOO many house producers are knocking hard on right now). I'd love to hear about all the great local labels that people know about on this list that don't get major distribution (like Delsin for example; great label especially that last Lee Norken release, can't say much for the Peel Seamus stuff though not my cup.) The last couple of Planet E's have really kicked it all up a notch (the new Ibex and the Herbert rmx of Recloose). I really hope to hear some great responses here
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At 11:04 1/03/01 Thursday, you wrote: :::style. Anyone know of any good new house that's coming out? Something :::other than Moodyman/Theo Parrish. It's all starting to sound the same. :::To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :::For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: the stuff on Glasgow Underground is usually pretty good quality, I just got Phatt P*ssy Katt's (romanthony kit kat) Find a Way which i like alot. lots of vocals though so not to everyone's taste however the dubs on the other side are also good less vocals and with a more sneak/chicago feel Glasgow Underground the other GU :) Yeah, both GU's are worth checking out.. how about Rick Wade, Rick Wilhite, anything from the Planet E stable, Johnny Fiasco just to start. Also, the UK lable, Paper often has some good house sounds. Similar to Glasgow Underground. Or then there's Naked... r./ -- benn [royal] glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net Look inside your soul. Listen to your heart.
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::: :::Glasgow Underground the other GU :) ::: :::Yeah, both GU's are worth checking out.. how about Rick Wade, :::Rick Wilhite, :::anything from the Planet E stable, Johnny Fiasco just to start. ::: :::Also, the UK lable, Paper often has some good house sounds. agreed also seem to have common factor signed up too (well under his real name Nick Calaengart sp?) don't no what the deal is with some of the track names though eg the nipple song and the penis song but good none the less been picking up some very nice tunes on classic records from the uk too, derrick carter, iz wiz dj bang to name a few but yeah the planet e stuff is definetly worth checking esp. that herbert remix of recloose also looks like they've released some older tunes on an album.. this was on juno: VARIOUS: G2 - Geology: A Subjective History Of Planet E Volume Two (Planet E US) House 12: Common Factor-Get Down (Future/Past mix)/Chaz Vincent-Human Powered Flight (Carl Craig special edit)/Carl Craig-At Les (Russ Gabriel mix)/Innerzone Orchestra-Bug In The Bassbin (Street mix) (PE 65261) [7.50] andrew
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I guess if we're talking about good and fresh house there are a few names which people keep forgetting: Larry Heard, Brett Dancer and for sure Jori Hulkkonen. Besides being a very cool bloke he keeps on releasing stuff that's getting better by the record. 'Wanna Do You' is absolutely divine, as is his latest ep 'We are Being Watched'. Which brings me to another point that has not been mentioned on this list since I joined: F Communications! This label from Eric Morand and Laurent Garnier has been as consistent in releasing superb stuff as any other label. And I do think they have one major advantage on many other quality labels like Tresor, Glasgow Underground, etc, their diversity. Any comments on that? RD ::: :::Glasgow Underground the other GU :) ::: :::Yeah, both GU's are worth checking out.. how about Rick Wade, :::Rick Wilhite, :::anything from the Planet E stable, Johnny Fiasco just to start. ::: :::Also, the UK lable, Paper often has some good house sounds. agreed also seem to have common factor signed up too (well under his real name Nick Calaengart sp?) don't no what the deal is with some of the track names though eg the nipple song and the penis song but good none the less been picking up some very nice tunes on classic records from the uk too, derrick carter, iz wiz dj bang to name a few but yeah the planet e stuff is definetly worth checking esp. that herbert remix of recloose also looks like they've released some older tunes on an album.. this was on juno: VARIOUS: G2 - Geology: A Subjective History Of Planet E Volume Two (Planet E US) House 12: Common Factor-Get Down (Future/Past mix)/Chaz Vincent-Human Powered Flight (Carl Craig special edit)/Carl Craig-At Les (Russ Gabriel mix)/Innerzone Orchestra-Bug In The Bassbin (Street mix) (PE 65261) [7.50] andrew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com
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Thank you everybody who wrote in reply to my asking for new and innovative house music out there, but I must in fact ask another more abrupt question to get seemingly where I want to go. First off some details: Like Ani I work in a record store and I'm responsible for ordering techno, house, minimal and lounge. I'm looking for innovative fresh sounds. I currently own almost all of the Klang/Playhouse/Perlon backcatalogue and I've listened to every Glasgow/Paper/GU release. Like everyone else I'm a huge Herbert fanatic, and really dig most stuff that sounds like him. My current problem with house is the lack of innovation right now (with a few exceptions). Not just in use of sounds but presentation of sounds. The advent of organic sounding house (ie. sampled drums and noises) has left no clearly definable frequency space in the music. While this creates a nice flow to the music as all the frequency ranges seem to just gel together, it leaves no room for any individual sound to breath, and thusly mixing these types of tracks together sounds muddy but warm, or as I like to call it 'a comfortable distraction'. In opposition is the dry/minimal approach, giving each sound far too much room to breath. There may be a groove but it seems that upon closer inspection the sounds just bleed themselves dry with little to no interaction. This is usually deemed 'boring'. The current dilemma I'm facing is that labels like GU/I records/Paper etc. are either getting just far too wanky (ie. instrumental solo after solo on and on), or like Perlon/Klang etc just to absorbed by things like quick edits and breakdowns to remember that a groove needs to be created (I call this 'wankin the rhythm'). Mix these to things together and you get abstract electronic music equivalent to fusion jazz, not bad to listen to once an a while but definetely not something to dance to. So to rephrase my question I'm looking for some good house/minimal akin to the last Hakan Libdo release on Paper. I want to hear about those most solid records with great sounds and smooth edits (not the typical reverse crash cymbal to piano/guitar/vocal/ambient that TOO many house producers are knocking hard on right now). I'd love to hear about all the great local labels that people know about on this list that don't get major distribution (like Delsin for example; great label especially that last Lee Norken release, can't say much for the Peel Seamus stuff though not my cup.) The last couple of Planet E's have really kicked it all up a notch (the new Ibex and the Herbert rmx of Recloose). I really hope to hear some great responses here Cheers todd
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:::style. Anyone know of any good new house that's coming out? Something :::other than Moodyman/Theo Parrish. It's all starting to sound the same. :::To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :::For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ::: the stuff on Glasgow Underground is usually pretty good quality, I just got Phatt P*ssy Katt's (romanthony kit kat) Find a Way which i like alot. lots of vocals though so not to everyone's taste however the dubs on the other side are also good less vocals and with a more sneak/chicago feel Glasgow Underground the other GU :) andrew sorry don't think this went through first time had to send again because you can't use certain words that mean cat obviously
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is stuff on naked music considered cheesy in the house world? i like it is that a sin?! ab
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oh i like it and i couldnt care less if its cheese just curious (as per subject line) ab - Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ice-a [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [313] curious on opinions On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, ice-a wrote: is stuff on naked music considered cheesy in the house world? i like it is that a sin?! why ask stupid questions; if you like, you like it, no matter what other people think about it. and yes, imho, naked music is one of the saviours of the house music - polished production, perfectly engineered, beautiful songs. although, they are a bit similar.. so what :) sakke -- A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance. -- Stanislaw Lem
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anyone calling Miguel Migs cheesy can line up for a smack on the head... rd is stuff on naked music considered cheesy in the house world? i like it is that a sin?! ab - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com
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stuffed bird wrote: anyone calling Miguel Migs cheesy can line up for a smack on the head... [cough] Britney Spears [cough] G
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ice-a wrote: is stuff on naked music considered cheesy in the house world? Probably only by people with an aversion to vocals... Personally, I can't get enough of it, especially the Blue Six releases are future classics IMO (including the 'Sweeter Love' EP on Wave as well), but you can't go much wrong with the others either. If there's one criticism you could have, is that most releases are variations on the same theme, but when the theme is this good, who cares? And besides, such a criticism never stopped people from drooling over Basic Channel records :) Otto PS Miguel Migs is spinning in Club de Ville, Amsterdam, NL this Saturday.
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Otto Koppius wrote: Probably only by people with an aversion to vocals... Personally, I can't get enough of it, especially the Blue Six releases are future classics IMO (including the 'Sweeter Love' EP on Wave as well), Classics of the future past for sure ___ but you can't go much wrong with the others either. If there's one criticism you could have, is that most releases are variations on the same theme, but when the theme is this good, who cares? And besides, such a criticism never stopped people from drooling over Basic Channel records :) That's because all basic channel records sound different I would say the Advent's overt thematicism is more akin to the Migs/Naked style. Anyone know of any good new house that's coming out? Something other than Moodyman/Theo Parrish. It's all starting to sound the same. todd Otto PS Miguel Migs is spinning in Club de Ville, Amsterdam, NL this Saturday. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Todd Smith wrote: Otto Koppius wrote: Probably only by people with an aversion to vocals... Personally, I can't get enough of it, especially the Blue Six releases are future classics IMO (including the 'Sweeter Love' EP on Wave as well), Classics of the future past for sure And why would that be? What in the past has sounded like it? That'll go on my wantlist then :) That's because all basic channel records sound different The dubs don't. Not that I care anyway, they're still good. Anyone know of any good new house that's coming out? Something other than Moodyman/Theo Parrish. It's all starting to sound the same. Danny Wang, Morgan Geist + Darshan Jesrani (aka Metro Area on Environ), the newworldaquarium release on Delsin and although I don't dig every single one of them, any new Playhouse, Klang or Perlon release is always interesting. Cheers, Otto
