Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
Like anything good, good music is corrupted by money and the love of it. Some trance is good even these days, but you have to search through piles of trash, made by ppl who're only in it to make a quick buck, to find it. Nick (Dj Pacific:) Ps. Pigeonholing sucks... --- christos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay, before I go on with my question, keep in mind > that I am by no means > a trance fan AT ALL (at least trance fans by the > convnetional definition). > Like every good 313 technohead, phrases like "Paul > Okenfold sucks," "Epic > trance is cheese," and "Hey Pete Tong, I got your > 'Essnetial Selection' > right here!" have become an integrated part of my > discorse when talking > about all things electronic. > > However, while looking through the Submerge site > (which is someing I > honestly do everydayI am going nuts waiting for > version 2.0) I noticed > that Red Planet 1 - 3 are labeled as "trance." I > own all three of those > records, and musically, yes they do sound like > trance (or at least what > trance would sound like if it had soul and if it was > good). Furthermore, > I have heard a few old releases on Generator that if > released today, would > probably be considered "trance" (again, GOOD trance > with SOUL). > > I do not mean to insult red planet or generator, as > they are some of my > favroite labels (and T-1000 one of my favroite djs), > however, I wounder, > how much influence did we have on the development of > trance? I understand > that the aforementioned releases could easily also > be considered techno, > as UR defines techno as... "a music-based > experimentation: it is sacred to > no one race; it has no definitive sound. It is > music for the future of > the human race" however, I am just curious to see if > we DID in fact > influence trance. It would be a bit ironic if we > did, though nothing to > be ashamed of. Red Planet and Generator are/were 2 > EXCELLENT labels. > > -christos > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
> We discussed this briefly five weeks ago, when our pal Chrome3 admitted: > > > I am sick of that boring soulful kenny larkin crap, I want > > rippin' arpeggios, pumpin 909 kicks, and swirling psychedelic dolphin > > noises. Please, dont get me wrong, I couldn't even tell you the name of a single trance producer, its just that I know some trance freaks that think it is this "new" thing, when in reality, Detroit was maknig music like this many years ago. It is evident that we did have some sort of influence on this genre, though when we did it (or something like it) it was actually good. This facinates me, because it is part of my quest to figure out why so many people who are into electronic music in Detroit cannot grasp the fact that Detroit produces some of the worlds finest electronic music. -christos
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
> We discussed this briefly five weeks ago, when our pal Chrome3 admitted: > > > I am sick of that boring soulful kenny larkin crap, I want > > rippin' arpeggios, pumpin 909 kicks, and swirling psychedelic dolphin > > noises. ahh, that was a proud moment in 313 history. chris <--- just ripped an apreggio
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
on 12/5/2000 9:01 PM, christos at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > however, I wonder, > how much influence did we have on the development of trance? We discussed this briefly five weeks ago, when our pal Chrome3 admitted: > I am sick of that boring soulful kenny larkin crap, I want > rippin' arpeggios, pumpin 909 kicks, and swirling psychedelic dolphin > noises. ;^) -- There4IM
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
Peace... Just thought I would add my 2 cents, I agree that trance was definitely influenced by do techno and Detroit, but we must also understand that trance was also heavily influenced by whats was popular in clubs in the 80's, and I would say, a lot of eurodance pop formulaic tracks..if you analyze trance tracks with a critical mind, you will see that a lot of them tend to follow the same formula..vocal samples..then a break..then it builds back again..then back to vocals..that formula is characteristic of European commercial dance music..also known as Hi-Nrg Fahd Al Noor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Albuquerque, NM On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:32:04 -0500, Phonopsia wrote: > Absolutely. Trance came from Detroit techno. Stardancer is the obvious > example. Also, think: Sun Electric's "Entrance". The title is not a > coincidental mispelling. And Sun Electric are only a few steps of > collaborations from Eddie Fowlkes, Juan Atkins, Moritz Von Oswals, etc. ___ Tired of slow Internet? Get @Home Broadband Internet http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html
Re: [313] did we influence....trance?
Absolutely. Trance came from Detroit techno. Stardancer is the obvious example. Also, think: Sun Electric's "Entrance". The title is not a coincidental mispelling. And Sun Electric are only a few steps of collaborations from Eddie Fowlkes, Juan Atkins, Moritz Von Oswals, etc. I got into this stuff with "Rave" and "Acid House" around 90-91 with the Lords of Acid, etc. When I first heard Waveform Transmissions, I thought it was trance because it came out on Pow Wow Trance. Artist like Oliver Lieb are clearly in a huge debt to Detroit. Maybe we should invent a new distinction between Trance and trance. Umm... maybe not. A lot of early trance is good music. Unfortunately new trance has spoiled it for us. I can hardly listen to a lot of it anymore. I think this is a great example of what could happen to techno if it got bigger. Maybe not though, since techno is much broader, less confined, and more dynamic than trance ever was. Tristan == PHONOPSIA<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/5102 "FrogboyMCI" on AOL Instant Messenger "Feeling Like A Kid Again... My Eyes Are Glued to the Floor. I Hope I Mumble Goodbye As You Walk Out the Door. UhOhUhohh... UhOhUhohhh... UhOhUhohhh... The Damage is Done." - Yo La Tengo -Original Message- From: christos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org> Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 9:03 PM Subject: [313] did we influencetrance? > >Okay, before I go on with my question, keep in mind that I am by no means >a trance fan AT ALL (at least trance fans by the convnetional definition). >Like every good 313 technohead, phrases like "Paul Okenfold sucks," "Epic >trance is cheese," and "Hey Pete Tong, I got your 'Essnetial Selection' >right here!" have become an integrated part of my discorse when talking >about all things electronic. > >However, while looking through the Submerge site (which is someing I >honestly do everydayI am going nuts waiting for version 2.0) I noticed >that Red Planet 1 - 3 are labeled as "trance." I own all three of those >records, and musically, yes they do sound like trance (or at least what >trance would sound like if it had soul and if it was good). Furthermore, >I have heard a few old releases on Generator that if released today, would >probably be considered "trance" (again, GOOD trance with SOUL). > >I do not mean to insult red planet or generator, as they are some of my >favroite labels (and T-1000 one of my favroite djs), however, I wounder, >how much influence did we have on the development of trance? I understand >that the aforementioned releases could easily also be considered techno, >as UR defines techno as... "a music-based experimentation: it is sacred to >no one race; it has no definitive sound. It is music for the future of >the human race" however, I am just curious to see if we DID in fact >influence trance. It would be a bit ironic if we did, though nothing to >be ashamed of. Red Planet and Generator are/were 2 EXCELLENT labels. > > -christos > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
did we influence....trance?
Okay, before I go on with my question, keep in mind that I am by no means a trance fan AT ALL (at least trance fans by the convnetional definition). Like every good 313 technohead, phrases like "Paul Okenfold sucks," "Epic trance is cheese," and "Hey Pete Tong, I got your 'Essnetial Selection' right here!" have become an integrated part of my discorse when talking about all things electronic. However, while looking through the Submerge site (which is someing I honestly do everydayI am going nuts waiting for version 2.0) I noticed that Red Planet 1 - 3 are labeled as "trance." I own all three of those records, and musically, yes they do sound like trance (or at least what trance would sound like if it had soul and if it was good). Furthermore, I have heard a few old releases on Generator that if released today, would probably be considered "trance" (again, GOOD trance with SOUL). I do not mean to insult red planet or generator, as they are some of my favroite labels (and T-1000 one of my favroite djs), however, I wounder, how much influence did we have on the development of trance? I understand that the aforementioned releases could easily also be considered techno, as UR defines techno as... "a music-based experimentation: it is sacred to no one race; it has no definitive sound. It is music for the future of the human race" however, I am just curious to see if we DID in fact influence trance. It would be a bit ironic if we did, though nothing to be ashamed of. Red Planet and Generator are/were 2 EXCELLENT labels. -christos
