Re: Is there a 4D View User Manual?

[Chris Patterson]

Hi Bill,

Yes, there is a 4D View User Manual, I have a PDF one that I appear to have
downloaded as part of 4D v14.
However, it does not seem to have been updated since 4D 2004!
Both the v14 and v2004 copies I have are 186 pages and Copyright 2005.
I just checked the 4D DocCenter and it is not there.
They must have it, but I am not sure how one accesses the archives.

Hope this helps.



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Re: v13 - C/S getting web server started

[Jeffrey Kain]

Also do you have a license for the web server?

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Randy Engle <4d.l...@xc2.us> wrote:
> 
> Chip,
> 
> Is it possible that something else is running that is using Port 80?
> 
> Randy Engle
> XC2 Software LLC
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Chip Scheide
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:38 PM
> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> Subject: v13 - C/S getting web server started
> 
> I can not get the web server started.
> 
> I have the database setting "start web server on startup" turned on.
>  http server - stopped
> I have created a method with the command Web Start Server, and run it via 
> Execute on server
>  http server - stopped

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RE: v13 - C/S getting web server started

[Randy Engle]

Chip,

Is it possible that something else is running that is using Port 80?

Randy Engle
XC2 Software LLC

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Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:38 PM
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Subject: v13 - C/S getting web server started

I can not get the web server started.

I have the database setting "start web server on startup" turned on.
  http server - stopped
I have created a method with the command Web Start Server, and run it via 
Execute on server
  http server - stopped

How do I get the web server to start?

Thanks
Chip


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v13 - C/S getting web server started

[Chip Scheide]

I can not get the web server started.

I have the database setting "start web server on startup" turned on.
  http server - stopped
I have created a method with the command Web Start Server, and run it 
via Execute on server
  http server - stopped

How do I get the web server to start?

Thanks
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Re: Easy Key Combination to Open the Explorer

[Douglas von Roeder]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:48 AM, John Baughman 
wrote:

> Great tip! Still Learning something new every day.
>
Agreed - lotsa nuances.



> For command documentation and opening a method, option-click works as
> well. I am assuming alt-click works the same on a PC. I find this easier
> and quicker than Ctrl-K as you only need to hover over the command or
> method and option-click.
>
Yup, Alt-double click is the standard Windows shortcut. No question -
that's handy, as well.

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Re: How to resize PNG images for button icons

[Lee Hinde]

I couldn’t tell if you had purchased them or made them yourself. 

I.e,. where can I get a copy, or look at them…

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Kirk Brooks  wrote:
> 
> Lee,
> The files are named for what they do, more or less: cancel.png, prev.png,
> etc. and there are dirs with the size. So I can access them as:
> 
> icons/24/cancel.png
> 
> Is that what you mean?
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Lee Hinde  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Kirk Brooks  wrote:
>> 
>>> A few years ago I started using a set of icon images for buttons. It
>> looks
>>> nice and gives my apps a cohesive look. That set came with a series of
>>> sizes (18x18, 24x24, 32x32, 64x64, 128x128). Those different sizes allow
>> me
>>> to use them in bevel style 3D buttons and as icons on hLists. It's a bit
>> of
>>> waste, though, having the full set (about 125) of each image in each size
>>> in the Resources folder. Recently I've been working with a icon set (~300
>>> images) drawn at one size (512x512 in this case) and sizing them down.
>>> 
>> 
>> Do these resources have names?

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Re: How to resize PNG images for button icons

[Kirk Brooks]

Spencer,
Thanks for the tips. That's kinda my point though - I don't want to have to
muck around with configuring variables for button icons. Plus I keep
striving for forms that look and behave the same on Mac, Windoz and web
pages.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Spencer Hinsdale 
wrote:

> Hi Kirk,
>
> You can scale the image used in a 3-D Button by using a Variable and
> Transform Picture.  This works well and works for Retina.
>
> We used Picture Buttons previously and also with a Variable in order to
> support background, mask, and multi-state.
>
> 3-D Buttons handle these automatically and with OS-specific flare.  Here's
> a visual:
> https://www.bigbusiness.com/solutions/6453  solutions/6453>
> same buttons with different icons and different Set Format "Styles" have
> different background, highlight, bevel, offset...automatically.
>

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Re: How to resize PNG images for button icons

[Spencer Hinsdale]

Hi Kirk,

You can scale the image used in a 3-D Button by using a Variable and Transform 
Picture.  This works well and works for Retina.

We used Picture Buttons previously and also with a Variable in order to support 
background, mask, and multi-state.

3-D Buttons handle these automatically and with OS-specific flare.  Here's a 
visual:
https://www.bigbusiness.com/solutions/6453 

same buttons with different icons and different Set Format "Styles" have 
different background, highlight, bevel, offset...automatically.

hth,

Spencer


> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:41 AM, Kirk Brooks  wrote:
> 
> Picture buttons do this nicely. But there are some limitations; the border
> choices aren't good and you can't include a text label, for instance. 3D
> buttons offer better configurability as an interface object but the linked
> image won't scale.

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RE: How to resize PNG images for button icons

[Lo]

And Kirk said

> I think it would be nice if there was basically 1 button object that you can 
> configure as necessary. Sort of like a JavaScript button where the button 
> functions and the display attributes are separate.

Amen!

Love and kisses
Lo

Can I say just how much I hate Photoshop and the time I spend bending graphics 
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Re: Easy Key Combination to Open the Explorer

[John Baughman]

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:18 AM, Douglas von Roeder  wrote:
> 
> There *is* a very easy way to open the Explorer using Ctrl-k - place the
> insertion point on an empty row of text in the method editor, press Ctrl-k,
> and 4D opens the Explorer.

Great tip! Still Learning something new every day.

For command documentation and opening a method, option-click works as well. I 
am assuming alt-click works the same on a PC. I find this easier and quicker 
than Ctrl-K as you only need to hover over the command or method and 
option-click.

John


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Re: How to resize PNG images for button icons

[Lee Hinde]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Kirk Brooks  wrote:

> A few years ago I started using a set of icon images for buttons. It looks
> nice and gives my apps a cohesive look. That set came with a series of
> sizes (18x18, 24x24, 32x32, 64x64, 128x128). Those different sizes allow me
> to use them in bevel style 3D buttons and as icons on hLists. It's a bit of
> waste, though, having the full set (about 125) of each image in each size
> in the Resources folder. Recently I've been working with a icon set (~300
> images) drawn at one size (512x512 in this case) and sizing them down.
>

Do these resources have names?
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Easy Key Combination to Open the Explorer

[Douglas von Roeder]

This could be old news but I discovered this late yesterday -

In 4D's method editor, Ctrl-k is the keyboard shortcut for "Goto
definition" for the item that's highlighted. If a 4D command is
highlighted, pressing Ctrl-k will open the documentation web page for that
command. If it's a method that's highlighted, 4D will open that method.

In contrast to the simplicity of "Goto definition", the keyboard "shortcut"
for opening the Explorer is Ctrl+Shift+Alt+e which requires some dexterity
compared to a simple Ctrl-k. Further, working on different system
configurations means that some key commands are different - 4D
2004+Parallels+Win7 uses different commands from V13+Parallels+Win7 which
are, in turn, different from a V15 app accessed via Citrix on the Mac to
Citrix on Win 2008 Server

There *is* a very easy way to open the Explorer using Ctrl-k - place the
insertion point on an empty row of text in the method editor, press Ctrl-k,
and 4D opens the Explorer.

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Re: 4D Chart for 4Dv15

[ADeeg]

Miguel Gonzalez-4 wrote
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a plugin or component of 4D Chart for 4Dv15?
> 
> I'll appreciate any comment.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> -- 
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> AcuBase Ltd.

Hi Miguel,

there is a commercial 4d chart component 

http://www.bluecompany.fr/
http://bluecompany.fr/index.php/en/bluecompany/news/55-4d-summit-europe-and-us-2013-gold-sponsor

Announced several years ago on a summit. Ask there

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Re: How to resize PNG images for button icons

[Kirk Brooks]

Sujit,
I use those multi-image files for buttons sometimes. They are nice for but
require a complicated setup. I mean, you have to generate those very
specific image files with the multiple versions of the base image. That's a
lot of prep to set it up and change later on. Evidence the fact 4D hasn't
changed their default button images in years now.

A few years ago I started using a set of icon images for buttons. It looks
nice and gives my apps a cohesive look. That set came with a series of
sizes (18x18, 24x24, 32x32, 64x64, 128x128). Those different sizes allow me
to use them in bevel style 3D buttons and as icons on hLists. It's a bit of
waste, though, having the full set (about 125) of each image in each size
in the Resources folder. Recently I've been working with a icon set (~300
images) drawn at one size (512x512 in this case) and sizing them down.

Who needs ~300 images for icons? It's true I use a fraction of them but
it's nice to have lots of stylistically similar choices available to work
with. It allows better consistency in building the user interface.

Picture buttons do this nicely. But there are some limitations; the border
choices aren't good and you can't include a text label, for instance. 3D
buttons offer better configurability as an interface object but the linked
image won't scale.

I think it would be nice if there was basically 1 button object that you
can configure as necessary. Sort of like a javascript button where the
button functions and the display attributes are separate.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Sujit Shah  wrote:

> I had to create a new button and forgot about the toolbar button type. All
> you need is to create a 4row x 1 col image for the normal, mouse over,
> clicked and disabled states and 4D does the rest very cool
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 12 October 2016, Kirk Brooks  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Miyako. I came across that too. I was laboring under the
> impression
> > from a few years ago that picture buttons were being phased out but they
> > work great.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Keisuke Miyako  > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > you could use picture buttons, but other than that,
> > > you need to embed that PNG in an SVG,
> > > to define a width and height that is much shorter than its real width
> and
> > > size.
> > >
> > > > 2016/10/12 10:29、Kirk Brooks >
> > のメール：
> > > > Is there a way I can cause the PNG to resize without either loading
> the
> > > > image into a variable or manage it as a separate element on the form?
> > >
> > >
> > > 宮古 啓介
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Re: 4D v12.5 and Mac Sierra

[Jim Hays]

FWIW, v12.5 has had random "the application has unexpectedly quit" errors
during development with El Capitan and still with Sierra.  It usually
happens when saving a Method.   Often, the application does NOT actually
quit though!
I've just upgraded to Sierra, and when typing in 4D dialogs, the cursor
appears to be a few "spaces" to the right of what I'm typing.  This is on a
Retina iMac, so may be display related.

We have very few customers using Macs, so not a big issue.  We're also
moving to v15 or 16 as soon as we can get there.

HTH,

Jim


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> Is anyone running 4D Client/Server v12.5 on Mac Sierra?  If so, are there
> any issues that you are aware of?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
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Re: 4D Chart for 4Dv15

[Bernard Escaich]

See here : http://www.bluecompany.fr/index.php/en/4d-components/charts 


Cordialement,

Bernard Escaich


> Le 12 oct. 2016 à 12:32, Miguel Gonzalez  a écrit :
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a plugin or component of 4D Chart for 4Dv15?
> 
> I'll appreciate any comment.
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> 
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Re: Data Dictionary to Structure via XML ?

[Peter Jakobsson]

On 12 Oct 2016, at 14:13, Arnaud de Montard  wrote:

> I seem to remember I saw that when some tables had comments - but far, far 
> ago!

Ok, thanks. I’ll check.

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Re: Data Dictionary to Structure via XML ?

[Arnaud de Montard]

> Le 12 oct. 2016 à 13:10, Peter Jakobsson  a écrit :
> 
> [...] I always get an error message at the end, saying something like 
> “incompatible definition” [...]

I seem to remember I saw that when some tables had comments - but far, far ago!

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Re: Data Dictionary to Structure via XML ?

[Peter Jakobsson]

On 12 Oct 2016, at 12:57, Arnaud de Montard  wrote:

> But, unless I'm wrong, about relations in a copy/paste process, they are in 
> the copy but ignored by paste (tried v14 R5 and compared export as xml data 
> vs copy items in structure). 


Hi Arnaud

Yes, thats what I found also.

The IMPORT STRUCTURE command that Miyako recommended is great - it does the 
whole lot with high fidelity. Even gets the table colours right. The only 
problem I had is that I always get an error message at the end, saying 
something like “incompatible definition”, even though it seems to import 
everything perfectly. I didn’t investigate further but I’m going to use that 
option later so will return to it.

To me, SQL is really a runtime, not design time tool and I prefer not to use it 
when 4D has all these design-time specific options that are native. For 
example, one huge benefit of the pasteboard approach is that you can start a 
table off with a few basic fields. Then organise another 100 or so fields in a 
spreadsheet, evolving the names, fieldgroups and types till it’s perfect, then 
just paste them straight into the table (after parsing the pasteboard contents 
with the XML conversion). That is an extremely powerful design technique for 
front-loading a lot of the structure and business logic thinking into the 
analysis phase IMO.

Regards

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Re: 4D Chart for 4Dv15

[Arnaud de Montard]

> Le 12 oct. 2016 à 12:32, Miguel Gonzalez  a écrit :
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a plugin or component of 4D Chart for 4Dv15?

deprecated  :-(
You have to find another solution. 

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4D Chart for 4Dv15

[Miguel Gonzalez]

Hi All,

Does anyone know if there is a plugin or component of 4D Chart for 4Dv15?

I'll appreciate any comment.

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Data Dictionary to Structure via XML ?

[Peter Jakobsson]

Miyako -

On 12 Oct 2016, at 02:28, Keisuke Miyako  wrote:

> you can add tables and fields via the clipboard or the new IMPORT STRUCTURE 
> command.


Your answer gave me the confidence to go back and look harder at the solution. 
Turns out 4D had a problem with the formatting in the document header: . I had version=“1” instead of version=“1.0” 
and that was enough to break it.

Another thing - I couldn’t find any documentation at all for the “type” 
attribute (which doesn’t correspond to 4D’s data type constants). Even the DTD 
doesn’t decode them so I just copied each field type in turn and inspected 4D’s 
XML dump to build a mapping table. (Listed below in case they’re useful to 
anyone else).

Everything works great now and I can lift a structure definition straight from 
a spreadsheet data dictionary, paste into an empty table and **kerboom**. Table 
implemented !


On 12 Oct 2016, at 11:44, Arnaud de Montard  wrote:

> Why not SQL instead?


Yes - SQL could have been possible. I don’t like using SQL for making permanent 
structure changes though, ever since I noticed that relations made with SQL are 
somehow “different” from ones made in the structure editor. I think the XML is 
more native to 4D.

Thanks for the responses !

Peter



4D Structure definition type mappings:

Alpha   10 (With “limiting_length” attribute)
Text10 (Without “limiting_length attribute)
Date8
Time9
Boolean 1
Integer 3
Longint 4
Integer 64 Bit  5
Real6
Float   7
Blob18
Picture 12
Object  21
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Re: Data Dictionary to Structure via XML ?

[Arnaud de Montard]

> Le 12 oct. 2016 à 00:51, Peter Jakobsson  a écrit :
> 
> Hi
> 
> I tried to write some code to convert 2 columns of data dictionary 
> (“Fieldname” “Fieldtype” definitions) from iWork’s “Numbers” spreadsheet 
> straight to a 4D structure but unfortunately it doesn’t work.[...]
> 
> Is anybody doing this type of thing already that would care to share some 
> tips ?

Why not SQL instead?

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Re: How to resize PNG images for button icons

[Sujit Shah]

I had to create a new button and forgot about the toolbar button type. All
you need is to create a 4row x 1 col image for the normal, mouse over,
clicked and disabled states and 4D does the rest very cool



On Wednesday, 12 October 2016, Kirk Brooks  wrote:

> Thanks Miyako. I came across that too. I was laboring under the impression
> from a few years ago that picture buttons were being phased out but they
> work great.
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Keisuke Miyako  >
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> > you could use picture buttons, but other than that,
> > you need to embed that PNG in an SVG,
> > to define a width and height that is much shorter than its real width and
> > size.
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> > > 2016/10/12 10:29、Kirk Brooks >
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> > > Is there a way I can cause the PNG to resize without either loading the
> > > image into a variable or manage it as a separate element on the form?
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