Re: v13 - new behavior, all dev windows closed

2018-07-09 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech 
On Jul 9, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Chip Scheide wrote:

> when (re)opening a database all windows previously opened in the design 
> environment are closed.
> what did I do, and how do I get 4D to leave all the design windows open?


Hi Chip,

I can think of 3 things:

1) Remember that if the Option key is down when you are entering Design — 
however you cause that to happen — will open with no windows. This was a very 
long-time-ago fix for when you had a corrupt method or form open. Going into 
Design it would try to open the corrupt method or form and that would cause 4D 
to crash. So to get around this you held down the Option key so that you could 
get into Design and not crash. Then, if you were lucky, you could delete the 
corrupted item and continue life.

Classic example: You have an invisible button on a form that has the “Standard 
Action” of “Design”. You assign a keyboard shortcut to the button of 
"Command-Option-Y". So to drop into Design when the form is displayed you just 
press Command-Option-Y. Notice that option key.

I had to change the shortcut on my 4D applications to Command-Shift-Y to avoid 
the problem of no windows open in Design. I couldn’t press Command-Option-Y and 
release the Option key before it got to Design and closed all my previously 
opened windows. 

2) 4D stores in the .4DB file the open windows and their location in Design for 
each 4D user. They are not stored in a “prefs” text files on disk somewhere. I 
know this because I work on a project with multiple developers and we all 
connect to 4D Server with our own 4D user account. Everyone gets their Design 
environment open windows preserved when doing 4D Server Team Developer work. If 
I get a copy of the .4DB file and put it to my local machine and open it and 
drop into Design, all my windows reappear. 

So it could be structure file damage. Maybe MSC repair on the structure file 
will fix the problem. 

3) If you crash, or something goes wrong when you quit 4D, it will not save the 
open window in Design information. 

Tim

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Re: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech 

> On Jul 9, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Bob Miller via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
> > wrote:
> 
> Randy - RE: You can use the MSC in v16 to flush out all the forms
> 
> Yes, this works well, and JPR's component does a lot of the same thing. In 
> working out the problems, I found however that what looked to be a 
> transparent background in 32 bit is not transparent in 64 bit (see above, 
> I now have a white box around many of my icons), so I think I need an 
> external drawing program to somehow convert the white background to 
> "transparent".

We had resolved this by using the picture conversion method from a tech note or 
tech tip…not sure if it’s the one others pointed out, but we did have to use 
that to export our entire picture library out to PNG files and get the 
transparency.

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Re: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
seems "paint.net" as a URL offers physical paint.

"paint.NET" the software can be found at "https://www.getpaint.net";




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Re: v13 - new behavior, all dev windows closed

2018-07-09 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
using v13.6 

Thanks

On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 12:06:59 -1000, JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech wrote:
> Move to R5 or later. I pretty sure that is when this issue was resolved. 
> 
> 
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>> On Jul 9, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> when (re)opening a database all windows previously opened in the design 
>> environment are closed.
>> what did I do, and how do I get 4D to leave all the design windows open?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Chip
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Re: v13 - new behavior, all dev windows closed

2018-07-09 Thread JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech 
Move to R5 or later. I pretty sure that is when this issue was resolved. 


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> On Jul 9, 2018, at 11:40 AM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> when (re)opening a database all windows previously opened in the design 
> environment are closed.
> what did I do, and how do I get 4D to leave all the design windows open?
> 
> Thanks
> Chip
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v13 - new behavior, all dev windows closed

2018-07-09 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
when (re)opening a database all windows previously opened in the design 
environment are closed.
what did I do, and how do I get 4D to leave all the design windows open?

Thanks
Chip

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RE: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech 
Bob,

I use Paint.net. It’s shareware.

I have used it many times to create a transparent background.

David Ringsmuth

From: Bob Miller via 4D_Tech
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:20 AM
To: 4d_tech@lists.4d.com
Cc: Bob Miller
Subject: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

Hi Everyone,

I'm in the process of going through a database to convert all the 
pictures, icons, and such in it so I can use the database with 64-bit 4D 
v16 (and eventually v17).

The documentation is pretty clear that even though any images pasted in 
did not start life as PICTS - and I'm talking about things like arrows, 
some icons, line drawings, navigation tools, etc., that are part of the 
user interface, not actual photo type pictures -  4D would receive and 
store them as PICTS, so you have to find each one and convert it.

To do this, I'm using JPR's Picture Conversion utility that he provided on 
the 2017 4D Road Tour.  It does a fine job as it can scan all the forms, 
find the offending pictures, list them, and then provides a utility where 
you can either convert them and put them into the picture library or 
convert them and put them into an external folder.
 
One thing I'm finding is that the conversion doesn't support transparency, 
so I end up with pictures that have white backgrounds, which doesn't look 
nice.  Here is part of a thread from me to JPR:

Me: When I drag a Static Picture to the converter, then back to the form, 
it seems to lose its transparency, even though the 'Transparent' property 
is turned ON.  How can this be fixed?
JPR> It cannot. The transparency done previously by 4D was just a trick 
replacing the white pixels with the background color dynamically, because 
the concept of transparency didn't exist at this time (like in PICT, JPEG, 
etc.) 
JPR> Now 4D uses the modern toolbox which relies on the picture 
transparency information coming from the alpha channel. So if you want 
transparent pictures, you must convert into a format supporting alpha 
channel (like PNG) and use any software able to add the alpha layer to 
your pictures.  On Mac, the simplest one to add alpha channel is 
PaintBrush (from Soggy Waffles). You add transparency with the paint Fill 
tool


The problem is that I'm on Windows.  Does anyone have a recommendation for 
fast technique that they've used that supports this "alpha channel' so I 
can convert my non-transparent images so that they are transparent again? 
It looks so bad having an arrow on a form with a big white background.

Thank you -


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Re: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread Jim Dorrance via 4D_Tech 
Hi Bob,

2 suggestions:

Buy a MacMini for the office.
Hire a Mac developper for 1 day to arrange all that.

Jim

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:20 PM, Bob Miller via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm in the process of going through a database to convert all the
> pictures, icons, and such in it so I can use the database with 64-bit 4D
> v16 (and eventually v17).
>
> The documentation is pretty clear that even though any images pasted in
> did not start life as PICTS - and I'm talking about things like arrows,
> some icons, line drawings, navigation tools, etc., that are part of the
> user interface, not actual photo type pictures -  4D would receive and
> store them as PICTS, so you have to find each one and convert it.
>
> To do this, I'm using JPR's Picture Conversion utility that he provided on
> the 2017 4D Road Tour.  It does a fine job as it can scan all the forms,
> find the offending pictures, list them, and then provides a utility where
> you can either convert them and put them into the picture library or
> convert them and put them into an external folder.
>
> One thing I'm finding is that the conversion doesn't support transparency,
> so I end up with pictures that have white backgrounds, which doesn't look
> nice.  Here is part of a thread from me to JPR:
>
> Me: When I drag a Static Picture to the converter, then back to the form,
> it seems to lose its transparency, even though the 'Transparent' property
> is turned ON.  How can this be fixed?
> JPR> It cannot. The transparency done previously by 4D was just a trick
> replacing the white pixels with the background color dynamically, because
> the concept of transparency didn't exist at this time (like in PICT, JPEG,
> etc.)
> JPR> Now 4D uses the modern toolbox which relies on the picture
> transparency information coming from the alpha channel. So if you want
> transparent pictures, you must convert into a format supporting alpha
> channel (like PNG) and use any software able to add the alpha layer to
> your pictures.  On Mac, the simplest one to add alpha channel is
> PaintBrush (from Soggy Waffles). You add transparency with the paint Fill
> tool
>
>
> The problem is that I'm on Windows.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
> fast technique that they've used that supports this "alpha channel' so I
> can convert my non-transparent images so that they are transparent again?
> It looks so bad having an arrow on a form with a big white background.
>
> Thank you -
>
>
> Bob Miller
> Chomerics, a division of Parker Hannifin Corporation
>
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Re: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech 
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> On Jul 9, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Bob Miller via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
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> Thanks to all who replied so far.  I've been trying different things.
> 
> Vance - RE: Can you make a picture have an opaque effect?

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Re: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread Bob Miller via 4D_Tech 
Thanks to all who replied so far.  I've been trying different things.

Vance - RE: Can you make a picture have an opaque effect?

This isn't what I want to do; the pictures have an opaque effect where the 
white backgrounds are opaque when what I want is for the background to be 
transparent, so the icon does not appear to have a square border.  If the 
background is transparent, the icon can sit on the form and the color of 
the form surrounds the icon, which looks better.


Randy - RE: You can use the MSC in v16 to flush out all the forms

Yes, this works well, and JPR's component does a lot of the same thing. In 
working out the problems, I found however that what looked to be a 
transparent background in 32 bit is not transparent in 64 bit (see above, 
I now have a white box around many of my icons), so I think I need an 
external drawing program to somehow convert the white background to 
"transparent".


Cannon - Thanks, I had not seen that tech note.  I'm already in v15 and do 
not have the plugin, so I tried using the same concept on a single member 
of the picture library that I knew had a transparency issue.  The result 
was that the entire picture became transparent, so something clearly (to 
make a pun) went wrong!  I'll investigate this a bit more, but I'm afraid 
that what I really need is something that can 'lasso' an image to find the 
outermost border, then set everything outside that border to transparent - 
which would be tough to do in code.

Keep those ideas coming!


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Re: parsing XML - related to Konstants

2018-07-09 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
Thanks - After screwing around for a bit today,
I have modified (v13) 4DPop constants editor to allow me to read and 
write comments in/with my Konstants.


On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 20:17:05 +, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech wrote:
> if you want to access comments,
> 
> use DOM Append XML child node
> 
http://doc.4d.com/4Dv15/4D/15.6/DOM-Append-XML-child-node.301-3817432.en.html
> for writing
> 
> and DOM GET XML CHILD NODES
> http://doc.4d.com/4Dv15/4D/15.6/DOM-GET-XML-CHILD-NODES.301-3817433.en.html
> for reading
> 
>> 2018/07/07 1:30、Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> のメール：
>> 
>> is it possible to parse XML, in a manner in which you can also access
>> any comments in the file?
>> 
>> What I am thinking is that the 4DPop constants editor does not have a
>> means to add a comment to the .xlf file, but it seems that this could
>> easily be added, so that I could comment my Konstants. however, what
>> occurs to me is that I don't think I can/could get the comments back
>> from the .xlf file.
>> 
>> I do not really know enough about xml parsing to know if this is
>> possible, without writing my own parsing routine to read the .xlf file
>> as a plain text and then rip it apart.
> 
> 
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Re: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech 
Bob,

You can use the MSC in v16 to flush out all the forms where bad pictures are 
located, as well as bad picture library items and their references.

Then use the picture conversion routine mentioned to convert the pictures to 
PNGs. We did this a couple months ago to prepare for our move to v16 and it 
worked well.

After doing all this, I discovered that there will also be potential issues 
with logos and pictures that you allowed users to put into their data. When you 
display the picture fields on a form, if the it is in PICT format you'll get 
that pretty camera with an X through it. ;-)

At any rate, start with the MSC in v16. It will quickly and easily point out 
what you need to fix in your structure.

HTH,
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> On Jul 9, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Bob Miller via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
> > wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm in the process of going through a database to convert all the 
> pictures, icons, and such in it so I can use the database with 64-bit 4D 
> v16 (and eventually v17).
> 
> The documentation is pretty clear that even though any images pasted in 
> did not start life as PICTS - and I'm talking about things like arrows, 
> some icons, line drawings, navigation tools, etc., that are part of the 
> user interface, not actual photo type pictures -  4D would receive and 
> store them as PICTS, so you have to find each one and convert it.
> 
> To do this, I'm using JPR's Picture Conversion utility that he provided on 
> the 2017 4D Road Tour.  It does a fine job as it can scan all the forms, 
> find the offending pictures, list them, and then provides a utility where 
> you can either convert them and put them into the picture library or 
> convert them and put them into an external folder.
> 
> One thing I'm finding is that the conversion doesn't support transparency, 
> so I end up with pictures that have white backgrounds, which doesn't look 
> nice.  Here is part of a thread from me to JPR:
> 
> Me: When I drag a Static Picture to the converter, then back to the form, 
> it seems to lose its transparency, even though the 'Transparent' property 
> is turned ON.  How can this be fixed?
> JPR> It cannot. The transparency done previously by 4D was just a trick 
> replacing the white pixels with the background color dynamically, because 
> the concept of transparency didn't exist at this time (like in PICT, JPEG, 
> etc.) 
> JPR> Now 4D uses the modern toolbox which relies on the picture 
> transparency information coming from the alpha channel. So if you want 
> transparent pictures, you must convert into a format supporting alpha 
> channel (like PNG) and use any software able to add the alpha layer to 
> your pictures.  On Mac, the simplest one to add alpha channel is 
> PaintBrush (from Soggy Waffles). You add transparency with the paint Fill 
> tool
> 
> 
> The problem is that I'm on Windows.  Does anyone have a recommendation for 
> fast technique that they've used that supports this "alpha channel' so I 
> can convert my non-transparent images so that they are transparent again? 
> It looks so bad having an arrow on a form with a big white background.
> 
> Thank you -
> 
> 
> Bob Miller
> Chomerics, a division of Parker Hannifin Corporation 
> 
> 
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RE: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread Vance Villanueva via 4D_Tech 
Hi Bob,

Can you make a picture have an opaque effect?

http://kb.4d.com/assetid=77891

Regards,

Vance Villanueva




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Subject: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

Hi Everyone,

I'm in the process of going through a database to convert all the
pictures, icons, and such in it so I can use the database with 64-bit 4D
v16 (and eventually v17).

The documentation is pretty clear that even though any images pasted in
did not start life as PICTS - and I'm talking about things like arrows,
some icons, line drawings, navigation tools, etc., that are part of the
user interface, not actual photo type pictures -  4D would receive and
store them as PICTS, so you have to find each one and convert it.

To do this, I'm using JPR's Picture Conversion utility that he provided on
the 2017 4D Road Tour.  It does a fine job as it can scan all the forms,
find the offending pictures, list them, and then provides a utility where
you can either convert them and put them into the picture library or
convert them and put them into an external folder.

One thing I'm finding is that the conversion doesn't support transparency,
so I end up with pictures that have white backgrounds, which doesn't look
nice.  Here is part of a thread from me to JPR:

Me: When I drag a Static Picture to the converter, then back to the form,
it seems to lose its transparency, even though the 'Transparent' property
is turned ON.  How can this be fixed?
JPR> It cannot. The transparency done previously by 4D was just a trick
replacing the white pixels with the background color dynamically, because
the concept of transparency didn't exist at this time (like in PICT, JPEG,
etc.)
JPR> Now 4D uses the modern toolbox which relies on the picture
transparency information coming from the alpha channel. So if you want
transparent pictures, you must convert into a format supporting alpha
channel (like PNG) and use any software able to add the alpha layer to
your pictures.  On Mac, the simplest one to add alpha channel is
PaintBrush (from Soggy Waffles). You add transparency with the paint Fill
tool


The problem is that I'm on Windows.  Does anyone have a recommendation for
fast technique that they've used that supports this "alpha channel' so I
can convert my non-transparent images so that they are transparent again?
It looks so bad having an arrow on a form with a big white background.

Thank you -


Bob Miller
Chomerics, a division of Parker Hannifin Corporation


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RE: Relative SET EXTERNAL DATA PATH on external disk

2018-07-09 Thread Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech 
I am pretty sure that the path you specified is not relative.

To make an HFS path relative, it must begin with a colon (:).
{
HFS pathnames consist of colon-separated components. Unlike UNIX pathnames, an 
HFS path which begins with a colon (e.g. :Foo:Bar) is a relative path, and one 
which does not (e.g. Foo:Bar) is an absolute path. As sole exception to this 
rule, a path not containing any colons is assumed to be relative.
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So, to make a relative path, go up one folder, it would be something like this 
(I think):

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RE: New way to get into Design Mode - v16?

2018-07-09 Thread Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech 
Hi Bob,

> Where the menu was empty before, the standard action "design" could be added 
> to it.

^ This is the correct way of doing it.

Use the standard action "Return to design mode".
http://doc.4d.com/4Dv15/4D/15.6/Standard-actions.300-3836722.en.html

{
Return to Design mode: Brings the windows and menu bars of the 4D Design 
environment to the foreground.
When the database is running in interpreted mode, this displays the current 
window of the Design environment. When the database is running in compiled 
mode, this displays the records window of the current table (in compiled mode, 
only access to records is possible).
}

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Re: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread Charles Miller via 4D_Tech 
Hi bob I will forward the one lie. Of code you need to add when I get back
to office

Regards
Chuck

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> > anyone have a recommendation for
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Re: [ANN] Q2Pix 1.0b2 available

2018-07-09 Thread Danis Georgiadis via 4D_Tech 
Hi John,

>   How backward compatible will an existing deployed QPix installation  be 
> with Q2Pix? I am upgrading my QPix using client to R6 this weekend in 
> anticipation of a follow on 64bit upgrade which will require upgrading to 
> Q2Pix.


Q2Pix is a new product for a new generation of 4D applications. So no, it is 
not backwards compatible with QPix.

First because we’ve all moved forward after so many years. Also because the 
recent versions of 4D are also very different - and much better, actually.

This doesn’t mean that it’s difficult, though. Get to know it and understand 
how it works, and you’ll see that it’s actually much better and easier to work 
with than the old QPix.

Q2Pix does much more and without QuickTime’s help this time. It employs a 
document concept (open document, edit document, save document), it integrates 
XMP metadata, it supports PDF (without the need of 3rd party software on 
Windows), and much more. It also uses lots of modern 4D goodness (C_OBJECT’s, 
JSON, components, widgets) which makes it much more compatible with 4D down the 
road.


> How soon do you expect to be out of beta?


There are still a couple of features to add to bring it up to parity with QPix. 
We are targeting a final release in September.


> Do you think the beta is solid enough for deployment, or should I wait until 
> you are out of beta?


The features already implemented look quite solid. A few developers have been 
using it in production since b1. 


>   I want to thank you for continuing your commitment to QPix. It has been 
> perhaps the most reliable and useful plug-in that I have deployed and your 
> support over the years has been great. I look forward to working with the new 
> version.


Thank you for the kind words, John. Working with you has always been a 
pleasure. 

Kind regards,

-Danis


> 

>> On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:27 AM, Danis Georgiadis via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We are excited to announce the availability of Q2Pix 1.0b2, the second 
>> public beta release of the modern successor to QPix.
>> 
>> Many thanks to our beta testers for their valuable reports and feedback.
>> 
>> Hoping you will like Q2Pix as much as we do, we look forward to hearing from 
>> you.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> - Escape Tech
>> 
>> ~~~
>> 
>> 
>> About Q2Pix
>> ===
>> 
>> Q2Pix is the first of a new generation of 4D Extensions. We no longer call 
>> them "plug-ins" because they are more than that. The architecture of these 
>> new products comprises 4D plug-ins, components, frameworks, open-source 
>> libraries; they work with the latest 4D versions; they make extensive use of 
>> modern 4D features such as subforms, objects and JSON.
>> 
>> 
>> Key features
>> 
>> 
>> - Full 32/64-bit, 4D v16/64 or later recommended.
>> - QuickTime-free.
>> - Exposes an object model.
>> - Document-based programming interface.
>> - A rich viewer widget with menubar, toolbar and sidebar written in pure 4D.
>> - Full support of XMP metadata.
>> - A generic XMP data editor written in pure 4D.
>> - Extensive PDF support.
>> - Extensive acquisition capabilities: TWAIN, ImageCapture, WIA.
>> - Batteries included: no third-party stuff to install.
>> 
>> Product page: 
>> Beta download: 
>> 
>> Beta 2 news
>> ===
>> 
>> Plug-in fixes:
>> 
>> * Plug-in area crash under v17 on macOS.
>> * Wrong path names of acquired images on Windows.
>> * Minor memory leaks.
>> 
>> New features:
>> 
>> * In auto-zoom mode the plug-in area can now stretch/enlarge the image.
>> * Scrollbars auto-hide as appropriate. This behavior and individual 
>> scrollbar visibility can be controlled via the area properties.
>> * Added the following effect filters:
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>> + GaussianBlur
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>> 
>> In the components:
>> 
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>> selected filter name and parameters.
>> * ImgArea_ApplyEffect presents an effect dialog and applies the selected 
>> filter to image in the area (live preview).
>> * The Image Control widget supports the effect dialog via the ImgCmd_Effect 
>> handler method. The default widget configuration includes this option under 
>> the Image menu.
>> * Minor fixes.
>> 
>> Added to the docs:
>> 
>> * Raster Image Filters in the Programming guide.
>> * Raster Filter Reference in the Reference section.
>> * Various fixes.
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Re: New way to get into Design Mode - v16?

2018-07-09 Thread Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech 
Where the menu was empty before, the standard action "design" could be added to 
it.

Keith - CDI

> On Jul 9, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Bob Miller via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm digging through the docs - is there a new way to get into the Design 
> mode in v16?
> 
> Up to v15, choosing a menu item with no associated method and no standard 
> action would do the job, but this doesn't work in v16.
> 
> I can Shift+Alt+Right Click and choose 'Go to Design Mode' - but clearly I 
> missed something in the docs...
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Bob Miller
> Chomerics, a division of Parker Hannifin Corporation
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Re: New way to get into Design Mode - v16?

2018-07-09 Thread Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech 
i find that *shift-alt-right click->Go to design mode* doesn't work if
there are no windows already open in Design. I have to force an interrupt
and then click on the Edit button in the debugger.

PB

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> I'm digging through the docs - is there a new way to get into the Design
> mode in v16?
>
> Up to v15, choosing a menu item with no associated method and no standard
> action would do the job, but this doesn't work in v16.
>
> I can Shift+Alt+Right Click and choose 'Go to Design Mode' - but clearly I
> missed something in the docs...
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Bob Miller
> Chomerics, a division of Parker Hannifin Corporation
>
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New way to get into Design Mode - v16?

2018-07-09 Thread Bob Miller via 4D_Tech 
I'm digging through the docs - is there a new way to get into the Design 
mode in v16?

Up to v15, choosing a menu item with no associated method and no standard 
action would do the job, but this doesn't work in v16.

I can Shift+Alt+Right Click and choose 'Go to Design Mode' - but clearly I 
missed something in the docs...

Thanks,


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Re: Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech 
Hi Bob,

I haven’t tried this, but maybe this tip would do what you want?



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> On Jul 9, 2018, at 9:20 AM, Bob Miller via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> anyone have a recommendation for 
> fast technique that they've used that supports this "alpha channel' so I 
> can convert my non-transparent images so that they are transparent again? 
> It looks so bad having an arrow on a form with a big white background.

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Converting pictures on 4D forms (Windows) to get transparency

2018-07-09 Thread Bob Miller via 4D_Tech 
Hi Everyone,

I'm in the process of going through a database to convert all the 
pictures, icons, and such in it so I can use the database with 64-bit 4D 
v16 (and eventually v17).

The documentation is pretty clear that even though any images pasted in 
did not start life as PICTS - and I'm talking about things like arrows, 
some icons, line drawings, navigation tools, etc., that are part of the 
user interface, not actual photo type pictures -  4D would receive and 
store them as PICTS, so you have to find each one and convert it.

To do this, I'm using JPR's Picture Conversion utility that he provided on 
the 2017 4D Road Tour.  It does a fine job as it can scan all the forms, 
find the offending pictures, list them, and then provides a utility where 
you can either convert them and put them into the picture library or 
convert them and put them into an external folder.
 
One thing I'm finding is that the conversion doesn't support transparency, 
so I end up with pictures that have white backgrounds, which doesn't look 
nice.  Here is part of a thread from me to JPR:

Me: When I drag a Static Picture to the converter, then back to the form, 
it seems to lose its transparency, even though the 'Transparent' property 
is turned ON.  How can this be fixed?
JPR> It cannot. The transparency done previously by 4D was just a trick 
replacing the white pixels with the background color dynamically, because 
the concept of transparency didn't exist at this time (like in PICT, JPEG, 
etc.) 
JPR> Now 4D uses the modern toolbox which relies on the picture 
transparency information coming from the alpha channel. So if you want 
transparent pictures, you must convert into a format supporting alpha 
channel (like PNG) and use any software able to add the alpha layer to 
your pictures.  On Mac, the simplest one to add alpha channel is 
PaintBrush (from Soggy Waffles). You add transparency with the paint Fill 
tool


The problem is that I'm on Windows.  Does anyone have a recommendation for 
fast technique that they've used that supports this "alpha channel' so I 
can convert my non-transparent images so that they are transparent again? 
It looks so bad having an arrow on a form with a big white background.

Thank you -


Bob Miller
Chomerics, a division of Parker Hannifin Corporation 


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Re: Cannot delete if related many issue

2018-07-09 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
sounds like 4D is not using the index/relation, is possibly doing a 
sequential search.

load cache limit of records, unload, load next cache limit repeat.
I would still look at circular relations that could be the part of the 
issue; as I recall 4D changed the way it handles following relations 
somewhere in v15/16


file a bug report.
might be hard to create a test database though.

Chip

On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:52:16 +0200, Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech wrote:
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>> Le 7 juil. 2018 à 17:52, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a écrit :
>> 
>> Arnaud,
>> a couple of other thoughts 
>> - are any/all of the related tables very large in record count size? 
>> this might be a cache thing...
>> maybe 4D is 'thrashing' loading indexes etc, then having to throw 
>> them away for the next table(s) and then loading them again.
>> -- you might be able to see/test this by watching/adjusting the 
>> cache, and/or watching disk usage. 
>> - alternatively, maybe for some (unexplainable) reason 4D is NOT 
>> using the index(es) and/or relation directly and doing a sequential 
>> search on each related table.  
>> -- you might be able to test this by using test data which has a 
>> small number of records in the related tables, and then add more and 
>> more seeing if the deletion slows down (linearly?).
> 
> Side 1 table is 2.7 billion records, side N the same, ~10 records 
> without sons to delete on side 1, worked during years. As it became 
> suddenly very slow with a cache like sawtooth wave, I agree it looks 
> like a threshold effect in deletion control. 
> 
> When I remove deletion control, control there is no sons (query) and 
> delete by myself (delete selection), it's instantaneous. It shows 
> that the problem occurs when 4D is checking there are no sons. 
> 
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Re: OPEN PRINTING JOB - how to hide the message window?

2018-07-09 Thread Jeremy French via 4D_Tech 
Hi Pat,

On the Mac you can show/hide the print progress message on a per print job 
basis.

Call SET PRINT OPTION with the option "Hide printing progress option".

The call to SET PRINT OPTION should be done **before** the call OPEN PRINTING 
JOB.

See: 
http://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D/16.3/SET-PRINT-OPTION.301-3651139.en.html

Also, as Jeffrey Kain pointed out, you can also turn off the print progress 
message for the entire database in the “General” tab of "Database Settings".

See:
http://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D/16.3/User-settings.300-3670700.en.html#3075208

- Jeremy French


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> wrote:
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> ​How do you stop the progress message from being displayed … using OPEN 
> PRINTING JOB?​

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Re: Cannot delete if related many issue

2018-07-09 Thread Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech 

> Le 7 juil. 2018 à 17:52, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a 
> écrit :
> 
> Arnaud,
> a couple of other thoughts 
> - are any/all of the related tables very large in record count size? this 
> might be a cache thing...
> maybe 4D is 'thrashing' loading indexes etc, then having to throw them away 
> for the next table(s) and then loading them again.
> -- you might be able to see/test this by watching/adjusting the cache, and/or 
> watching disk usage. 
> - alternatively, maybe for some (unexplainable) reason 4D is NOT using the 
> index(es) and/or relation directly and doing a sequential search on each 
> related table.  
> -- you might be able to test this by using test data which has a small number 
> of records in the related tables, and then add more and more seeing if the 
> deletion slows down (linearly?).

Side 1 table is 2.7 billion records, side N the same, ~10 records without sons 
to delete on side 1, worked during years. As it became suddenly very slow with 
a cache like sawtooth wave, I agree it looks like a threshold effect in 
deletion control. 

When I remove deletion control, control there is no sons (query) and delete by 
myself (delete selection), it's instantaneous. It shows that the problem occurs 
when 4D is checking there are no sons. 

-- 
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