Count of young new developers after ...
… the implementation of the additional programming paradigm? G’day, Is there any information available in regards of the extended subject? So, how many new and young (age < 40 years) developers have been attracted to 4D since the new “silver-bullet” additions have been made to the language/design/development mode/etc. Cheers ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Count of young new developers after ...
My guess (and it is completely a guess) is: 10% of previous developer count = 30-ish world wide > On Aug 3, 2021, at 9:03 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > … the implementation of the additional programming paradigm? > > > G’day, > > Is there any information available in regards of the extended subject? > > So, how many new and young (age < 40 years) developers have been attracted to > 4D since the new “silver-bullet” additions have been made to the > language/design/development mode/etc. > > > Cheers > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Count of young new developers after ...
This year 4D Inc in San Jose has been offering more “Beginning 4D” classes than they have in recent years. According to their Sales VP they have all been full, with plenty of developers fresh out of CS school. So the demographics may be changing. Tom Benedict > On 08/03/2021 6:51 AM nug via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > My guess (and it is completely a guess) is: > 10% of previous developer count = 30-ish world wide > > > > > On Aug 3, 2021, at 9:03 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > > wrote: > > > > … the implementation of the additional programming paradigm? > > > > > > G’day, > > > > Is there any information available in regards of the extended subject? > > > > So, how many new and young (age < 40 years) developers have been attracted > > to 4D since the new “silver-bullet” additions have been made to the > > language/design/development mode/etc. > > > > > > Cheers ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Count of young new developers after ...
Am 03.08.2021 um 16:12 schrieb THOMAS BENEDICT via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: > > "According to their Sales VP“ relevant words here being ACCORDING and SALES VP … I would love for this to be true, but I do have serious doubts. ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
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and attending one class - was there a cost? does not a new developer make Chip > On Aug 3, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Am 03.08.2021 um 16:12 schrieb THOMAS BENEDICT via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: >> >> "According to their Sales VP“ > > relevant words here being > > ACCORDING > > and > > SALES VP > > … > I would love for this to be true, but I do have serious doubts. > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Count of young new developers after ...
I think a better metric would be: How many new sales of Server, web server, 4D for iOS (not just pro dev) are being made - to NEW customers, rather then upgrades or sales to existing customers (devs) Chip > On Aug 3, 2021, at 10:12 AM, THOMAS BENEDICT wrote: > > This year 4D Inc in San Jose has been offering more “Beginning 4D” classes > than they have in recent years. According to their Sales VP they have all > been full, with plenty of developers fresh out of CS school. So the > demographics may be changing. > > Tom Benedict > >> On 08/03/2021 6:51 AM nug via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: >> >> >> My guess (and it is completely a guess) is: >> 10% of previous developer count = 30-ish world wide >> >> >> >>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 9:03 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> … the implementation of the additional programming paradigm? >>> >>> >>> G’day, >>> >>> Is there any information available in regards of the extended subject? >>> >>> So, how many new and young (age < 40 years) developers have been attracted >>> to 4D since the new “silver-bullet” additions have been made to the >>> language/design/development mode/etc. >>> >>> >>> Cheers > ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Count of young new developers after ...
The description of Online Training for Beginners https://us.4d.com/training-categories/online-training shows five 90 minute sessions at a cost of USD429. Tom > On 08/03/2021 7:50 AM nug via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > and attending one class - was there a cost? > does not a new developer make > > Chip > > > On Aug 3, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech > > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > > Am 03.08.2021 um 16:12 schrieb THOMAS BENEDICT via 4D_Tech > > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: > >> > >> "According to their Sales VP“ > > > > relevant words here being > > > > ACCORDING > > > > and > > > > SALES VP > > > > … > > I would love for this to be true, but I do have serious doubts. > > ** > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > > New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com > > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > > ** > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
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that is more encouraging. the upfront cost is not minimal, and there is more then one class here's hoping something comes of this. Chip > On Aug 3, 2021, at 11:20 AM, THOMAS BENEDICT wrote: > > The description of Online Training for Beginners > https://us.4d.com/training-categories/online-training > shows five 90 minute sessions at a cost of USD429. > > Tom > >> On 08/03/2021 7:50 AM nug via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: >> >> >> and attending one class - was there a cost? >> does not a new developer make >> >> Chip >> >>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech >>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: >>> >>> Am 03.08.2021 um 16:12 schrieb THOMAS BENEDICT via 4D_Tech >>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: "According to their Sales VP“ >>> >>> relevant words here being >>> >>> ACCORDING >>> >>> and >>> >>> SALES VP >>> >>> … >>> I would love for this to be true, but I do have serious doubts. >>> ** >>> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) >>> New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com >>> Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html >>> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech >>> Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com >>> ** >> >> ** >> 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) >> New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com >> Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html >> Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech >> Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com >> ** > ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: Count of young new developers after ...
On Aug 3, 2021, at 9:03 AM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > … the implementation of the additional programming paradigm? > > Is there any information available in regards of the extended subject? > > So, how many new and young (age < 40 years) developers have been attracted to > 4D since the new “silver-bullet” additions have been made to the > language/design/development mode/etc. I’m curious why that should matter. Do you not appreciate some slight modernization of the language for yourself? If not, where do you think development of 4D should have stopped? V3? V6? Surely before V11, I mean embedding raw SQL into the code is pretty much the worst idea in most other environments. Jim Crate ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
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> On 04 /08 /2021, at 01:52, James Crate via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I’m curious why that should matter. Think about it a bit harder and it will come to you. > Do you not appreciate some slight modernization of the language for yourself? Hey extending the language and hopefully the functionality with it is great. For example C_Objects is a great useful extension, unfortunately it was integrated more than 20 years later than ObjectTools and still misses things OT offers. Implementing helpful things is good, but one should never abandon elements in use like FTP… in the Internet-Command-Plug-IN etc. I hope you feel a bit more enlighten now. Cheers Jörg ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) New Forum: https://discuss.4D.com Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
