Re: 4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-28 Thread Sujit Shah via 4D_Tech 
Yes we are using tools like loader.io to test the SOAP calls. Will post
results soon.


On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 at 3:20 pm, Justin Carr via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Hi Sujit
>
> I never dug that deeply into it. Customers who are handling "significant"
> numbers of SOAP requests are crashing intermittently but typically at least
> once every few days. "Significant" is probably in the order of 80+ per
> minute. It was super easy to create a reproducible test database so I
> didn't do more detailed diagnostics. The test case is submitting (on my
> system) in the order of 700 requests per minute, and it would typically
> crash after 15-20 minutes or so.
>
> J
>
> On 28 Feb 2018, at 12:54 pm, Sujit Shah via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Justin,
> >
> > Was it the volume of SOAP calls or the frequency that caused the crashes?
> >
> > We are clocking around 400 per minute at peak times.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Justin Carr via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That one was raised by me but in our case, it is only happening on
> 32-bit
> >> Mac server.
> >>
> >> But it's very easy to test. Just create a server application that has
> >> nothing at all except for exposing a single web service. That web
> service
> >> does nothing other than return a value of 0. Then from another
> application
> >> fire continual requests at that server.
> >>
> >> In my case the server would crash anywhere after 10,000 requests. After
> >> using a version containing the fix, on macOS 10.12 the server responded
> to
> >> around 3,000,000 requests before I stopped it. On macOS 10.11 it still
> >> crashed but not until sometime after 500,000 requests.
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> On 28 Feb 2018, at 8:29 am, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
> >> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> that would be: ACI0097539
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16_R6
> >>> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16
> >>>
>  2018/02/28 3:07、Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> >> のメール：
>  I recall reading (recently) a fix in V16.3 specifically dealing with a
> >> server crash problem due to many SOAP calls.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: 4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-28 Thread Sujit Shah via 4D_Tech 
From what I gather the general consensus is that R15 Did not have a
reported issue with SOAP calls other than ours. And what worked in R2
should work in R5 as well. Randy working with R5 does not have SOAP issues.

R16 had a problem with intensive SOAP calls but these were fixed in the
current nightly builds.

Thanks for the input.


On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 at 3:20 pm, Justin Carr via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Hi Sujit
>
> I never dug that deeply into it. Customers who are handling "significant"
> numbers of SOAP requests are crashing intermittently but typically at least
> once every few days. "Significant" is probably in the order of 80+ per
> minute. It was super easy to create a reproducible test database so I
> didn't do more detailed diagnostics. The test case is submitting (on my
> system) in the order of 700 requests per minute, and it would typically
> crash after 15-20 minutes or so.
>
> J
>
> On 28 Feb 2018, at 12:54 pm, Sujit Shah via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Justin,
> >
> > Was it the volume of SOAP calls or the frequency that caused the crashes?
> >
> > We are clocking around 400 per minute at peak times.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Justin Carr via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That one was raised by me but in our case, it is only happening on
> 32-bit
> >> Mac server.
> >>
> >> But it's very easy to test. Just create a server application that has
> >> nothing at all except for exposing a single web service. That web
> service
> >> does nothing other than return a value of 0. Then from another
> application
> >> fire continual requests at that server.
> >>
> >> In my case the server would crash anywhere after 10,000 requests. After
> >> using a version containing the fix, on macOS 10.12 the server responded
> to
> >> around 3,000,000 requests before I stopped it. On macOS 10.11 it still
> >> crashed but not until sometime after 500,000 requests.
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> On 28 Feb 2018, at 8:29 am, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
> >> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> that would be: ACI0097539
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16_R6
> >>> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16
> >>>
>  2018/02/28 3:07、Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> >> のメール：
>  I recall reading (recently) a fix in V16.3 specifically dealing with a
> >> server crash problem due to many SOAP calls.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: 4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-27 Thread Justin Carr via 4D_Tech 
Hi Sujit

I never dug that deeply into it. Customers who are handling "significant" 
numbers of SOAP requests are crashing intermittently but typically at least 
once every few days. "Significant" is probably in the order of 80+ per minute. 
It was super easy to create a reproducible test database so I didn't do more 
detailed diagnostics. The test case is submitting (on my system) in the order 
of 700 requests per minute, and it would typically crash after 15-20 minutes or 
so.

J

On 28 Feb 2018, at 12:54 pm, Sujit Shah via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
wrote:
> 
> Justin,
> 
> Was it the volume of SOAP calls or the frequency that caused the crashes?
> 
> We are clocking around 400 per minute at peak times.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Justin Carr via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>> That one was raised by me but in our case, it is only happening on 32-bit
>> Mac server.
>> 
>> But it's very easy to test. Just create a server application that has
>> nothing at all except for exposing a single web service. That web service
>> does nothing other than return a value of 0. Then from another application
>> fire continual requests at that server.
>> 
>> In my case the server would crash anywhere after 10,000 requests. After
>> using a version containing the fix, on macOS 10.12 the server responded to
>> around 3,000,000 requests before I stopped it. On macOS 10.11 it still
>> crashed but not until sometime after 500,000 requests.
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> On 28 Feb 2018, at 8:29 am, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
>> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> that would be: ACI0097539
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16_R6
>>> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16
>>> 
 2018/02/28 3:07、Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>> のメール：
 I recall reading (recently) a fix in V16.3 specifically dealing with a
>> server crash problem due to many SOAP calls.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: 4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-27 Thread Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech 
Sujit,

I don’t that particular bug existed in v15

Wayne

On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 at 13:56, Sujit Shah via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Keisuke
>
> Do you know if this fixed in 15R5 as well?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:29 AM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> >  that would be: ACI0097539
> >
> >
> > https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16_R6
> > https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16
> >
> > > 2018/02/28 3:07、Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> のメール：
> > > I recall reading (recently) a fix in V16.3 specifically dealing with a
> > server crash problem due to many SOAP calls.
> >
> >
> >
> > **
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Re: 4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-27 Thread Sujit Shah via 4D_Tech 
Thanks Keisuke

Do you know if this fixed in 15R5 as well?



On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 8:29 AM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

>  that would be: ACI0097539
>
>
> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16_R6
> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16
>
> > 2018/02/28 3:07、Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> のメール：
> > I recall reading (recently) a fix in V16.3 specifically dealing with a
> server crash problem due to many SOAP calls.
>
>
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Re: 4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-27 Thread Sujit Shah via 4D_Tech 
Justin,

Was it the volume of SOAP calls or the frequency that caused the crashes?

We are clocking around 400 per minute at peak times.



On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Justin Carr via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> That one was raised by me but in our case, it is only happening on 32-bit
> Mac server.
>
> But it's very easy to test. Just create a server application that has
> nothing at all except for exposing a single web service. That web service
> does nothing other than return a value of 0. Then from another application
> fire continual requests at that server.
>
> In my case the server would crash anywhere after 10,000 requests. After
> using a version containing the fix, on macOS 10.12 the server responded to
> around 3,000,000 requests before I stopped it. On macOS 10.11 it still
> crashed but not until sometime after 500,000 requests.
>
> J
>
> On 28 Feb 2018, at 8:29 am, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > that would be: ACI0097539
> >
> >
> > https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16_R6
> > https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16
> >
> >> 2018/02/28 3:07、Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> のメール：
> >> I recall reading (recently) a fix in V16.3 specifically dealing with a
> server crash problem due to many SOAP calls.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: 4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-27 Thread Justin Carr via 4D_Tech 
That one was raised by me but in our case, it is only happening on 32-bit Mac 
server.

But it's very easy to test. Just create a server application that has nothing 
at all except for exposing a single web service. That web service does nothing 
other than return a value of 0. Then from another application fire continual 
requests at that server.

In my case the server would crash anywhere after 10,000 requests. After using a 
version containing the fix, on macOS 10.12 the server responded to around 
3,000,000 requests before I stopped it. On macOS 10.11 it still crashed but not 
until sometime after 500,000 requests.

J

On 28 Feb 2018, at 8:29 am, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
wrote:
> 
> that would be: ACI0097539
> 
> 
> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16_R6
> https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16
> 
>> 2018/02/28 3:07、Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> のメール：
>> I recall reading (recently) a fix in V16.3 specifically dealing with a 
>> server crash problem due to many SOAP calls.
> 
> 
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Re: 4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-27 Thread Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
 that would be: ACI0097539


https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16_R6
https://bugs.4d.fr/fixedbugslist?branch=16

> 2018/02/28 3:07、Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> のメール：
> I recall reading (recently) a fix in V16.3 specifically dealing with a server 
> crash problem due to many SOAP calls.



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RE: 4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-27 Thread Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech 
Sujit,

I recall reading (recently) a fix in V16.3 specifically dealing with a server 
crash problem due to many SOAP calls.


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Subject: RE: 4D 15R5 Feedback

Sujit,

Yes,  we have intensive SOAP calls into a 4D Windows 15r5 System from numerous 
locations.

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We have a database which uses SOAP across several sites in various 
configurations of C/S, C/S <-> C/S and C/S <-> Standalone. The server crashes 
randomly (or so it seems) with a  MSVCR120.dll  crash. We have updated to the 
latest Visual Studio/ reinstalled etc but the crashing persists. Has anyone had 
this problem with 4D 15R2? Is there anyone running intensive SOAP operations 
with 4D 15 R5?

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RE: 4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-27 Thread Randy Engle via 4D_Tech 
Sujit,

Yes,  we have intensive SOAP calls into a 4D Windows 15r5 System from numerous 
locations.

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From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Sujit Shah via 
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Subject: 4D 15R5 Feedback

We have a database which uses SOAP across several sites in various 
configurations of C/S, C/S <-> C/S and C/S <-> Standalone. The server crashes 
randomly (or so it seems) with a  MSVCR120.dll  crash. We have updated to the 
latest Visual Studio/ reinstalled etc but the crashing persists. Has anyone had 
this problem with 4D 15R2? Is there anyone running intensive SOAP operations 
with 4D 15 R5?

TIA

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4D 15R5 Feedback

2018-02-26 Thread Sujit Shah via 4D_Tech 
We have a database which uses SOAP across several sites in various
configurations of C/S, C/S <-> C/S and C/S <-> Standalone. The server
crashes randomly (or so it seems) with a  MSVCR120.dll  crash. We have
updated to the latest Visual Studio/ reinstalled etc but the crashing
persists. Has anyone had this problem with 4D 15R2? Is there anyone running
intensive SOAP operations with 4D 15 R5?

TIA

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xxx
"There must be ingenuity as well as intention, strategy as well as
strength. "
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