Re: iNUG List "From" Change

[Jeremy Roussak via 4D_Tech]

Ah, nostalgia. The Mac had (has?) a function called Munger (“rhymes with 
plunger”) that did general memory manipulation.

http://mirror.informatimago.com/next/developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/Text/Text-329.html

Jeremy

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> On 17 Feb 2017, at 19:56, bob.miller--- via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Per Tim Penner > The new behavior you see is called munging the address
> 
> Wow, a new tech word!  Actually not new at all - the origin per Wikipedia 
> is actually in 1958 at MIT.  Geez, where was I?
> 
> "Mung or munge is computer jargon for a series of potentially destructive 
> or irrevocable changes to a piece of data or a file.  It is sometimes used 
> for vague data transformation steps that are not yet clear to the speaker. 
> Common munging operations include removing punctuation or html tags, data 
> parsing, filtering, and transformation."
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mung_(computer_term)
> 
> Hmmm...sounds like a counterrevolution to the guys who promote data 
> quality...
> 
> 
> Bob Miller
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Re: iNUG List "From" Change

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

I got the bounce warning too. Do we know what caused it?

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Douglas von Roeder 
wrote:

> Tom:
>
> Interesting…
>
> I got unsubbed from the list last week because of too many bounce backs.
> That's sorta weird because I've been using the same gMail account for over
> a decade.
>
> "Click harder", perhaps?
>
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>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Tom Dillon via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> > Cannon,
> >
> > I'm getting From: 4D Tech and CC to the original poster.
> >
> > I've also noticed that some of my posts to 4D Tech list get bounced. I
> > should cut back on my wildly offensive SIG lines, I guess.
> >
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Re: iNUG List "From" Change

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

I’d like to thank Tim for helping with this. I never would have thought it was 
a contact that needed to be deleted!

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> On Feb 17, 2017, at 12:22 PM, Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> You may have a contact in your address book with the address of 
> 4D_Tech@lists.4d.com and a display name of "4D iNug Tech"... If so it is 
> likely that your email client is auto-replacing the From field in the list of 
> emails using the display name from the contact... That was what was going on 
> for Cannon.

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RE: iNUG List "From" Change

[bob.miller--- via 4D_Tech]

Per Tim Penner > The new behavior you see is called munging the address

Wow, a new tech word!  Actually not new at all - the origin per Wikipedia 
is actually in 1958 at MIT.  Geez, where was I?

"Mung or munge is computer jargon for a series of potentially destructive 
or irrevocable changes to a piece of data or a file.  It is sometimes used 
for vague data transformation steps that are not yet clear to the speaker. 
 Common munging operations include removing punctuation or html tags, data 
parsing, filtering, and transformation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mung_(computer_term)

Hmmm...sounds like a counterrevolution to the guys who promote data 
quality...


Bob Miller
Chomerics, a division of Parker Hannifin Corporation




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Re: iNUG List "From" Change

[Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech]

Whatever you did fixed the issue. Thanks!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/22eh2ueu3umf186/Screen%20Shot%202017-02-17%20at%2010.57.30%20AM.png?dl=0


> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Timothy Penner  wrote:
> 
> In outlook the from address shows up like this:
> http://imgur.com/a/logbQ
> 
> The old "From" header was the actual sender even though the origination was 
> lists.4d.com (this can be problematic for some email servers because it looks 
> like spam).
> The new "from" header is the actual lists server was a display name of the 
> sender +"via 4D_Tech"
> 
> -Tim
> 
> 
> 
>> Actually, here’s another screenshot that shows when the change happened and 
>> what it looks like before and after.
>> 
>> Is this what everyone else is seeing in Apple Mail?
> 
> 

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RE: iNUG List "From" Change

[Timothy Penner]

In outlook the from address shows up like this:
http://imgur.com/a/logbQ

The old "From" header was the actual sender even though the origination was 
lists.4d.com (this can be problematic for some email servers because it looks 
like spam).
The new "from" header is the actual lists server was a display name of the 
sender +"via 4D_Tech"

-Tim



> Actually, here’s another screenshot that shows when the change happened and 
> what it looks like before and after.
>
> Is this what everyone else is seeing in Apple Mail?



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RE: iNUG List "From" Change

[Timothy Penner]

Hi Cannon,

Yes this was a change I implemented earlier this week when I upgraded the 
mailing list software to resolve an issue with respect to DMARC policies.

I may be able to get the original "From" to show up again for everyone except 
for those sending from a domain with a DMARC policy set to reject (such as 
aol.com and yahoo.com), those domains are the precise reason it was changed. 
Without the change it would cause messages we relay for those domains (aol.com 
and yahoo.com) to have the delivery rejected by other domains like gmail.com 
which causes a cascading effect where the mailing list server processes the 
bounce back from the gmail.com addresses and then disables mail delivery for 
the subscriber thinking there is an issue with the gmail account, when really 
the issue is that the message was relayed when the dmarc policy is set to 
reject so gmail properly rejected it as per the dmarc rule.

The new behavior you see is called munging the address, and it is the nicer 
alternative to rejecting all messages from aol.com and yahoo.com - I just 
applied to everyone when I may not have needed to, I have relaxed the setting 
back and it should now only "munge from" for anyone who posts to the list from 
a domain with a DMARC reject/quarantine policy.

Although if I continue to see bounces due to relaying messages for other 
domains I may need to re-enable it for everyone.

Kind Regards,

Tim PENNER



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Re: iNUG List "From" Change

[Douglas von Roeder]

Tom:

Interesting…

I got unsubbed from the list last week because of too many bounce backs.
That's sorta weird because I've been using the same gMail account for over
a decade.

"Click harder", perhaps?

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Tom Dillon via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Cannon,
>
> I'm getting From: 4D Tech and CC to the original poster.
>
> I've also noticed that some of my posts to 4D Tech list get bounced. I
> should cut back on my wildly offensive SIG lines, I guess.
>
> --
>--
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>DataCraft   Moab, UT 84532
>tomdil...@datacraft-inc.com   720/209-6502
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>  What kind of stpid sig line is this? --- Sunastar
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Re: iNUG List "From" Change

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

I’m using Apple Mail. I uploaded a screenshot showing what what I’m seeing:



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Re: iNUG List "From" Change

[Tom Dillon via 4D_Tech]

Cannon,

I'm getting From: 4D Tech and CC to the original poster.

I've also noticed that some of my posts to 4D Tech list get bounced. I should 
cut back on my wildly offensive SIG lines, I guess.

-- 
   --
   Tom Dillon   825 N. 500 W.
   DataCraft   Moab, UT 84532
   tomdil...@datacraft-inc.com   720/209-6502
   --
 What kind of stpid sig line is this? --- Sunastar
   --


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Re: iNUG List "From" Change

[Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech]

> Le 17 févr. 2017 à 14:54, Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a 
> écrit :
> 
> Has anyone else noticed a change in the list? When I view messages coming 
> from the list in Mail, the From field is always “4D iNUG Technical”, making 
> it difficult to see who actually sent the message. All messages since the one 
> sent by Jeff Kain on February 13 at 2:50 PM (subject “Re: Error Message”) 
> have been like this. However, I really do doubt it was Jeff’s fault. :-)
> 
> Previous to this time, all messages have the person who sent it in the From 
> field.
> 
> I can’t think of anything I changed on my end. Is anyone else seeing this?

I have this:
  To: 4D iNUG Technical <4D_Tech@lists.4D.com>
  From: Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
  Reply-To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
  Cc: Cannon Smith 
  Sender: "4D_Tech" <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com>
In apple mail, the "from" column displays "Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech". 
The "via 4D_tech" is since 02/13/17, before I see:
  From: Cannon Smith 
  To: 4D iNUG Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
  Reply-To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
  Sender: "4D_Tech" <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com>

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Re: iNUG List "From" Change

[Ken Geiger Gmail via 4D_Tech]

Apple mail shows the sender's name + "via 4D_Tech".

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Which mailer do you use? Apple Mail? Outlook on Windows shows something like 
> that:
> "4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com>; im Auftrag von; Cannon Smith via 
> 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>" 
> 
> It's a German Outlook version, "im Auftrag von"  means "on behalf of".
> 
> In the headers there is presently (showing only a part):
> 
> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\))
> Subject: iNUG List "From" Change
> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 06:54:55 -0700
> To: 4D iNUG Technical <4D_Tech@lists.4D.com>
> List-Id: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech.lists.4d.com>
> List-Unsubscribe: ,
> 
> List-Post: 
> List-Help: 
> List-Subscribe: ,
> 
> From: Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> Reply-To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> Cc: Cannon Smith 
> Errors-To: 4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com
> Sender: "4D_Tech" <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com>
> 
> Regards
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RE: iNUG List "From" Change

[Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech]

Which mailer do you use? Apple Mail? Outlook on Windows shows something like 
that:
"4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com>; im Auftrag von; Cannon Smith via 
4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>" 

It's a German Outlook version, "im Auftrag von"  means "on behalf of".

In the headers there is presently (showing only a part):

MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\))
Subject: iNUG List "From" Change
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 06:54:55 -0700
To: 4D iNUG Technical <4D_Tech@lists.4D.com>
List-Id: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech.lists.4d.com>
List-Unsubscribe: ,
 
List-Post: 
List-Help: 
List-Subscribe: ,
 
From: Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Reply-To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Cc: Cannon Smith 
Errors-To: 4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com
Sender: "4D_Tech" <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com>

Regards
Lutz
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