Re: [9fans] mouse trouble in VMWare Fusion
Actually I used Plan9 on VMWare workstation for Linux for quite a while without too many problems. Then again all I was doing was working though Nemo's book. :) VMWare Fusion is definitely not yet ready for prime time, I have noticed some interoperability problems with other Guest OSes (FreeBSD) and a few heisenburg type issues on Linux. I have also started to experience conditions where Plan9 will not boot, complaining of divide errors or memory problems, then boot w/o issue after sending a ctrl-alt-del from the pulldown menu. I suppose that's why its half the price of VMWare Workstation... Lakshmi, from VMWare support, blew me off at the mere mentioning of Plan 9. As for setting up physical hardware, I am on the tail end of a 11 month contract in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. I need more stuff like I need a hole in my head. I prefer virtualization-related silliness to dealing with the experts in th local computer souk and subsequent sale/transportation of the gear when its time to go home. Ghabi kushi kabi kam. *sigh* Johnny On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Adrian Tritschler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/27 Skip Tavakkolian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I had the same problem under VMware workstation 5.5 and couldn't solve it, I ended up working around it by making the VMware plan9 system a cpu/auth box and connecting to it with drawterm from the linux host system. it is not this problem? http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.plan9/msg/96b8706125ee5c42 Suggestion is to echo -n hwaccel off /dev/vgactl From memory that helped, but didn't get rid of the problem entirely on my system. It made the graphics usable/readable, but the mouse was still wildly erratic. Adrian
[9fans] Export local plumber to remote unix host?
Hello, I read my email on a remote Unix machine which I access from a few terminals via ssh. The terminals are also Unix hosts (usually OS X). This works great for reading text. However, I frequently receive attachements. What I'd like to be able to do is export at least my plumber over the ssh connection to the remote host so I can display the attachments locally. This seems to be the opposite of what import(1) does. I guess what I want is cpu(1) for plan9port... or at least a limited version of it. This seems like it should be doable, but I think I'm looking at it the wrong way. Any suggestions? (Unfortunately the Unix boxes and Word documents aren't going away any time soon for me...) Thanks, Jon
Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:02, bituman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldnt got Plan9 to natively run on my machine, so i thought it'd be a nice 2-in-1 learning experience to get it working under Hyper-V. Since i wouldnt like the one thing i learn to be: this cant be done, id like to ask if anyone had succes getting it run with MS virtualization? Sandor Nagy If the Xen 3.x port is in any shape, it would be a good starting point for running it under Hyper-V, as it was advertised to support Xen guests. Also there might be some way to make it emulate a full machine, but I don't know about that. It certainly would be an interesting solution for getting Plan 9 into Business - Windows 2008 seems to be fairly well integrated with Hyper-V. -- Paweł Lasek
[9fans] Favorite sam command language idioms?
Does anyone have some favorite sam command language idioms, tips, tricks, etc.?
[9fans] FYI, glendix new 13 syscalls
Hi, A quick status update: 13 system calls have been implemented - just enough to get a basic set of utilities running. So far we have cat, sed, grep, 8c and a few others to run. Notable executables that don?t work are 8l, ls, awk and sam (either because they look for filesystems that aren?t there, or depend on stat which isn?t implemented correctly as of yet). Grab sources via git from here. http://sources.glendix.org/?p=gitroot/glendix/main.git;a=summary All the files inside syscall/ are to be put inside the linux kernel tree (replacing files with the same name). The files inside loader/ are just a normal kernel module. Both together will let you execute native Plan 9 binaries in Linux. Patches, comments and suggestions are most welcome! http://glendix.org/ TIA
Re: [9fans] Any Brits going to iwp9? ...
I plan to go via train nottingham - london - paris - italy - greece (including a couple of ferries) Last time I tried to sort it the timetables for Oct. weren't complete but it's time to look again now naturally, 5 mins after I sent this I got told about a feature film were shooting up until the Thursday so it looks like I'll be flying out last minute, hopefully I'll catch the train back. dammit !!
Re: [9fans] Any Brits going to iwp9? ...
Public transportation from Athens to Volos is via train (you must usually change trains in Larissa) or bus. To reach the Liosion intercity bus station from the airport: Option 1, via the metro (about 60') * from the airport take line 3 (Line 3), direction Egaleo * at Monastiraki change to line 1, direction Kifisia * get off at Kato Patissia * walk to the bus station (+15') Option 2, via suburban rail and metro (about 45') * from the airport take the suburban railway, direction Larissa * at Neratziotisa change to metro line 1, direction Piraeus * get off at Kato Patissia * walk to the bus station (+15') A map that shows how to reach the bus station from Kato Patissia http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0ll=38.011549,23.725061spn=0.00754,0.012939z=16msid=100308688324317463199.0004556f172375b58a10c Option 3, via bus (no idea how much this takes): * take bus X93 from the airport, which passes by the Liosion intercity bus station To reach the Larissa train station from the airport: Option 1, via the metro (about 45') * from the airport take line 3, direction Egaleo * at Syntagma change to line 2, direction Aghios Antonios * get off at Larissa * walk over to the nearby train station Option 2, via the suburban rail (about 40') * from the airport take the suburban railway, direction Larissa * get off at Larissa Note that the station Larissa is an abbreviation for Train Station to Larissa, not the city itself. We will try to collect relevant timetable information for train and bus connections from Athens/Thessaloniki (some of this is not yet available and/or in Greek). I will send a note when done. Perhaps some other guy could tell how to get to Volos from Athens...
Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V?
I tried running Plan 9 4e on Microsoft Virtual PC (v6.0.156.0, both 32- and 64-bit versions). It wouldn't work due to a strange problem with (virtual) disk I/O. Virtual Server 2005 uses similar technology so I think it would fail, too. Though, I didn't exactly give it a try. Hardware virtualization often creates more problems that software, right? --On Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:02 AM +0200 bituman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't got Plan9 to natively run on my machine, so i thought it'd be a nice 2-in-1 learning experience to get it working under Hyper-V. Since i wouldnt like the one thing i learn to be: this cant be done, id like to ask if anyone had succes getting it run with MS virtualization? Sandor Nagy
Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V?
The run from cd booted up just fine in MS Virtual Server 2005. I never got round to installing it fully though. If I remember correctly, I started an install once, but had to turn off disk dma and then the formatting of a small venti (~3-4GB) took more than two hours, so I aborted. Got a faster machine now, so maybe I'll try that again. i didn't think that dma was the default. if it is, i would think that this would cause more problems than it would solve. slow is better than not working at all. - erik
Re: [9fans] Does Plan 9 work under Microsoft's Hyper-V?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 2:16 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The run from cd booted up just fine in MS Virtual Server 2005. I never got round to installing it fully though. If I remember correctly, I started an install once, but had to turn off disk dma and then the formatting of a small venti (~3-4GB) took more than two hours, so I aborted. Got a faster machine now, so maybe I'll try that again. i didn't think that dma was the default. if it is, i would think that this would cause more problems than it would solve. slow is better than not working at all. Running another install into MSVirtualServer R2 SP1 just now with an old iso had lying around (20070329) and I misremembered. Disk dma had to be on, otherwise you get lots of i/o errors. It is the copydist that takes forever. I'll post back once I got it all up. I may try it with the latest iso as well. Robby
Re: [9fans] Export local plumber to remote unix host?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Jon Dugan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'd like to be able to do is export at least my plumber over the ssh connection to the remote host so I can display the attachments locally. This seems to be the opposite of what import(1) does. I guess what I want is cpu(1) for plan9port... or at least a limited version of it. Any suggestions? (Unfortunately the Unix boxes and Word documents aren't going away any time soon for me...) You have two problems here: 1) Accessing plan 9's plumber from unix 2) Accessing unix files (attachments) from plan 9 1 isn't too difficult, a listen1 with exportfs -r /mnt/plumb combined with an ssh port forward (-L or -R, can't remember which applies here) will give you access to the plumber via p9p's 9p (probably in combination with srv -a for authentication). 2 is a little more problematic. It's easy enough to run u9fs over ssh (see srvssh), but the caveat is when you plumb an attachment like say /home/jon/mail/foo.doc the plumber running on plan 9 is going to go /home? wtf is that?. As long as you can devise a convention to get around that you should be good to go. Of course, seems like it might be a bit simpler to run acme Mail. -sqweek
Re: [9fans] Export local plumber to remote unix host?
Of course, seems like it might be a bit simpler to run acme Mail. ' i.e. imap. - erik
Re: [9fans] Export local plumber to remote unix host?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:57 PM, sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Jon Dugan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'd like to be able to do is export at least my plumber over the ssh connection to the remote host so I can display the attachments locally. You have two problems here: 1) Accessing plan 9's plumber from unix 2) Accessing unix files (attachments) from plan 9 Whoops, I missed the note about terminals being unix, and thought they were plan 9 terminals (funny assumption to make in 9fans, I know). You'll have to take that as imagine if you were running plan 9, then you could just do this ;) I thought Enrico did some work on serving across the network from p9p, but I don't see anything in hg about it. That will probably be your main sticking point, problem 2 doesn't change much. -sqweek
Re: [9fans] Export local plumber to remote unix host?
Let me make sure I understand the problem right: you have p9p installed on two Unix boxes, A and B. Sitting at A, you ssh to B to read your mail, and want to be able to plumb (or something similar) attachments and have applications on A display them. I presume you're also using non-p9p applications to view the attachments. If that's right, the problem is in two parts: having B feed messages to the plumber on B, and having B find the files referenced. You can probably make the terminal mount the server; do so. How doesn't matter: v9fs, fuse, nfs, afp, whatever. Just get it at, say, /mnt/B. Make a plumbing rule that checks for files in /mnt/B (after the normal check for files). You want arg isfile /mnt/B/$1 or something very similar in that rule. Now when you plumb /home/me/attachment1, after not finding that file locally your plumber will look for /mnt/B/home/me/attachment1. Have the 'plumb start' bit call open or OpenOffice or whatnot. For the other part, rather than trying to figure out how to pass messages around (which is easy if you can mount A from B: just set $NAMESPACE to /mnt/A/whatever; but you likely can't do that), just use the local plumber in the first place. For example, 9term's plumb menu item (like plan9's rio) will just feed things to a local plumber. If you've set the plumbing rule up as described above, that's all you need. (If you're using pine or something that 9term isn't up to, I'm told there's an rxvt-unicode extension for plumbing, but I didn't know what rxvt-unicode was before being told that, so I can't speak any more to it. ask in #plan9 on freenode.) If, for whatever reason, you need to do something like !plumb from mail (and can't mount A from B), things are harder for you. A fake plumber to shuttle bytes to A is probably doable, but it's likely a lot less work to figure out how to use a local plumber instead. Anthony
Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:44 AM, John Soros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, still, it would be great to know how to set the time, as my time is way off (by more than 4 hours). Best++ John Hi again, A couple of updates: I'm getting the same cron messages and time problems that John is seeing. I've made sure that timesync isn't running. My lguest time is about 3.5 hours ahead of host time. As for the load issue: The full cpu usage that I was seeing earlier actually stops after a several minutes. After booting, ^T^Tp shows genrandom as Running. Several minutes later the cpu usage drops to near idle, and genrandom goes to Wakeme. Then every now and then (I'm not sure if anything in particular triggers it, or if just randomly happens) I see the cpu usage jump again, and I can see that genrandom is once again Running. Then after several minutes it stops again. When genrandom is running, stats shows a load of around 3000. Otherwise, load is always around 2000. The problem looks similar to this: http://9fans.net/archive/2006/03/588 -- except that the lguest instance works fine while genrandom is running. Is this genrandom behavior anything out of the ordinary? Alex -- Alex Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:44 PM, John Soros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, still, it would be great to know how to set the time, as my time is way off (by more than 4 hours). What's the time on your host (Linux) look like? Are you sure it's not a time zone setup issue? Is it always four hours? It should not be drifting. ron
Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Alex Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem looks similar to this: http://9fans.net/archive/2006/03/588 -- except that the lguest instance works fine while genrandom is running. Is this genrandom behavior anything out of the ordinary? I don't think so. Genrandom make me want to look at using the hardware RNGs a few years ago, but then Intel killed firmware hub and the whole idea kind of went away. ron
