Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 09:36:11AM +, Admiral Fukov wrote: I'm looking at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in years. Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? Why fix what's perfect? ;-) ++L
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in years. Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? No it is not, a lot, depends on which file(s) you are looking at. There has been much work recently on the ARM port (guru plug and beagleboard) Other changes happen as required (or as patches are submitted). What where you expecting to see? -Steve
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
Unlike many open source systems, plan 9 is stable. Very reliable. It doesn't get changed just for fun. iPhone email On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:43 AM, Admiral Fukov admiralfu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in years. Is the development of plan 9 abandoned?
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 09:36:11AM +, Admiral Fukov wrote: I'm looking at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in years. Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? Please note the timestamps in listings describe just the directory or file itself; it is not computed recursively. In particular, a directory has its timestamp updated only when a new entry is added -- not merely modified -- which is a rare event for top-level directories. If you browse a bit deeper, there's plenty enough of newer timestamps; mind the files. Anyway -- as others wrote before -- the core of P9 is pretty stable :) -- dexen deVries ``One can't proceed from the informal to the formal by formal means.''
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Re: [9fans] we all hava a secret life...
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Gorka Guardiola pau...@gmail.com wrote: I got spam today anouncing Richard Miller PhD at Yoga yoga... :-) http://www.yogayoga.com/special-events/special-topics-richard-miller -- - curiosity sKilled the cat I've been getting more creative spams lately too. They're almost worthy of reading.
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Admiral Fukov admiralfu...@gmail.comwrote: I'm looking at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in years. Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? There's a plan9changes google group I believe that will let you see the commits that have been going in. Plan 9 is satisfying all it's users' needs at the moment. There have been proposals to make it more linuxy in the past, but we know where linux is if we want it. That's not to say people aren't exploring new ways to develop it and make it a better Plan 9.
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Admiral Fukov admiralfu...@gmail.comwrote: I'm looking at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in years. Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? There's a plan9changes google group I believe that will let you see the commits that have been going in. Plan 9 is satisfying all it's users' needs at the moment. There have been proposals to make it more linuxy in the past, but we know where linux is if we want it. That's not to say people aren't exploring new ways to develop it and make it a better Plan 9. isn't the posting name Admiral Fukov enough to clue us in that this is just a troll? that and the fact we get this one about once a year? - erik
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Stanley Lieber stanley.lie...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: There's a plan9changes google group I believe that will let you see the commits that have been going in. http://groups.google.com/group/plan9changes/topics doesn't show any updates since July, 2008. Is there another way to track updates besides simply running pull? Plan 9 is satisfying all it's users' needs at the moment. ! -sl Watch Ron's repository, which Venkatesh posted earlier. http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/sysfromiso
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, David Leimbach leim...@gmail.com wrote: There's a plan9changes google group I believe that will let you see the commits that have been going in. http://groups.google.com/group/plan9changes/topics doesn't show any updates since July, 2008. Is there another way to track updates besides simply running pull? Plan 9 is satisfying all it's users' needs at the moment. ! -sl
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM, John Floren slawmas...@gmail.com wrote: Watch Ron's repository, which Venkatesh posted earlier. http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/sysfromiso On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: sysfromiso makes that clear. It's a great way to watch the improvements going in. Hats off to the folks at Bell Labs for keeping it rolling. Thanks, guys, I missed Venkatesh's earlier message somehow. -sl
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
Request to add If you're the kind of person who understands that we don't need to change 'cat' any further, then you understand the work that is going on. to fortune. Ron++ D On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote: ignoring the troll, but for the rest of you here: plan 9 is *very* active. If you're the kind of person who understands that we don't need to change 'cat' any further, then you understand the work that is going on. If you're the kind of guy who can't resist changing things that don't need changing, then you won't get it; perhaps you'd be better off working on libtool. But Plan 9 is far from dead. sysfromiso makes that clear. It's a great way to watch the improvements going in. Hats off to the folks at Bell Labs for keeping it rolling. ron
Re: [9fans] we all hava a secret life...
A crude imposture. Everyone knows I prefer Korzybski's approach to nodualism.
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:00 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Admiral Fukov admiralfu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in years. Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? There's a plan9changes google group I believe that will let you see the commits that have been going in. Plan 9 is satisfying all it's users' needs at the moment. There have been proposals to make it more linuxy in the past, but we know where linux is if we want it. That's not to say people aren't exploring new ways to develop it and make it a better Plan 9. isn't the posting name Admiral Fukov enough to clue us in that this is just a troll? that and the fact we get this one about once a year? - erik Some people prefer privacy, others are just assholes who want to pick fights because they are bored. Asking a perfectly valid question is not trolling, unlike your reply that adds nothing to the subject at hand.
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Venkatesh Srinivas m...@acm.jhu.edu wrote: In the ~8 years since the 4th edition release, there has been pretty continuous work on Plan 9, both at Bell Labs and in the 9fans community; nightly an ISO is constructed and uploaded. Changes have been incremental -- a tool appears, bugs are fixed, etc.. http://acm.jhu.edu/git/plan9 has a git tree of the sources from December 2002 through February 2009, if you like to view changes in that form. http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/sysfromiso has a mercurial tree of more recent changes, if that's what you're looking for. -- vs Thank you for the links.
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:39 AM, ron minnich wrote: If you're the kind of person who understands that we don't need to change 'cat' any further, then you understand the work that is going on. But why isn't the source for mk (3929 lines w/ headers, okay 4661 with mkfile and acid) at least as long as all that Java in the ant distribution (213151 lines)? That's a lot of catching up to do. The market has clearly spoken, and it appears that more lines dominates the soup. sysfromiso makes that clear. It's a great way to watch the improvements going in. Hats off to the folks at Bell Labs for keeping it rolling. Thanks for putting sysfromiso together. It does help for when I'm looking in from a browser. -jas
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
Some people prefer privacy, others are just assholes who want to pick fights because they are bored. Asking a perfectly valid question is not trolling, unlike your reply that adds nothing to the subject at hand. so, no bait and switch then? was your question answered satisfactorily?
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Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:19 PM, andrey mirtchovski mirtchov...@gmail.comwrote: Some people prefer privacy, others are just assholes who want to pick fights because they are bored. Asking a perfectly valid question is not trolling, unlike your reply that adds nothing to the subject at hand. so, no bait and switch then? was your question answered satisfactorily? I had to google bait and switch :) Nice idiom. Yes, my question was answered by dexen and Venkatesh.
Re: [9fans] glean
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: New toy if anyone is interested, a bit of fun really. glean - a network reconnaissance tool. listens to your ethernet, parses NetBIOS and DHCP requests, mounts itself on /lib/ndb/gleaned which is an ndb(6) file of what it has discovered. /n/sources/contrib/steve/glean.tgz -Steve Very neat!
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:00 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.netwrote: On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Admiral Fukov admiralfu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in years. Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? There's a plan9changes google group I believe that will let you see the commits that have been going in. Plan 9 is satisfying all it's users' needs at the moment. There have been proposals to make it more linuxy in the past, but we know where linux is if we want it. That's not to say people aren't exploring new ways to develop it and make it a better Plan 9. isn't the posting name Admiral Fukov enough to clue us in that this is just a troll? that and the fact we get this one about once a year? - erik Maybe. If it's a troll, it is pointing out something that might not be obvious to people on the outside. People are still using Plan 9 People are still working on Plan 9
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
But why isn't the source for mk (3929 lines w/ headers, okay 4661 with mkfile and acid) at least as long as all that Java in the ant distribution (213151 lines)? That's a lot of catching up to do. The market has clearly spoken, and it appears that more lines dominates the soup. one interesting thing about that example is that if it were done again for the Plan 9 environment, mk might well be even smaller, since some of the existing functionality isn't really used, or might be achieved by simpler mechanisms, or with functionality added instead by further composition with other programs; alternatively, it might be redone in a radically different way. either way you probably wouldn't get an entire O'Reilly book out of it though.
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
one interesting thing about that example is that if it were done again for the Plan 9 environment, mk might well be even smaller, since some of the existing functionality isn't really used, or might be achieved by simpler mechanisms, or with functionality added instead by further composition with other programs; alternatively, it might be redone in a radically different way. How would you rewrite mk to be simpler? Thanks, -- vs
Re: [9fans] Plan9 development
mash has a make builtin. very brief, as all the shell type stuff in mk goes away.. brucee On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Venkatesh Srinivas m...@acm.jhu.edu wrote: one interesting thing about that example is that if it were done again for the Plan 9 environment, mk might well be even smaller, since some of the existing functionality isn't really used, or might be achieved by simpler mechanisms, or with functionality added instead by further composition with other programs; alternatively, it might be redone in a radically different way. How would you rewrite mk to be simpler? Thanks, -- vs
