Re: [9fans] Partition problems

2016-11-20 Thread tlaronde
Hello,

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:07:03PM +, Steve Simon wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I run a modified labs kernel with a few bits of 9atom to support my atom
> Motherboard.
> 
> I have added an ssd to the mirrored disks in my plan9 server.
> The initialisation of devfs fails without a helpful error message (something 
> I will sort out)
> 
> However the source of the problem seems to be boot/parts.c which fails to 
> instantiate the last partition on my disks. This causes devfs to give up 
> rather than continuing to retry other partitions. My kernel then cannot find 
> its venti partition and dies with a panic.
> 
> If I boot using a different partition structure I can bring up the machine, 
> and see that this one partition is indeed missing.
> 
> If I run disk/prep on the disk and rewrite the partition table unchanged, the 
> missing partition appears.
> 
> Anyone seen problems with the partition table generation code in boot/part.c?
> If not I will keep digging but I thought it was worth asking.

I had a problem (and still have) with the plan9 program because the code
rewrites the whole partition entry, recomputing the values of the start
and so on even with partitions "untouched" rendering the machine
unbootable because the starting block was not the correct one.

I have never found neither the time nor the incentive to correct this
part.

I don't know if this has anything to do with your problem at hand.

Best,
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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 5th Edition

2016-11-20 Thread Wes Kussmaul



On 11/19/2016 05:27 PM, David Arnold wrote:

On 17 Nov 2016, at 12:18, Kurt H Maier wrote:

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 07:55:38PM -0500, Charlie Lin wrote:



Also does anyone want to host the source tree in a repository?


This sounds like a lot of work.  Who would undertake this??


GitHub, GitLab, or BitBucket all provide gratis repository hosting for Git 
and/or Mercurial.  If one of those were adopted, the work involved for ongoing 
maintenance is minimal.


We use gitlab on our team for both repos and task management. I'd be 
happy to create and maintain a group for Plan9.


In fact while I was thinking about it I just did. It's at 
https://gitlab.com/nine-continent



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[9fans] Partition problems

2016-11-20 Thread Steve Simon
Hi,

I run a modified labs kernel with a few bits of 9atom to support my atom
Motherboard.

I have added an ssd to the mirrored disks in my plan9 server.
The initialisation of devfs fails without a helpful error message (something I 
will sort out)

However the source of the problem seems to be boot/parts.c which fails to 
instantiate the last partition on my disks. This causes devfs to give up rather 
than continuing to retry other partitions. My kernel then cannot find its venti 
partition and dies with a panic.

If I boot using a different partition structure I can bring up the machine, and 
see that this one partition is indeed missing.

If I run disk/prep on the disk and rewrite the partition table unchanged, the 
missing partition appears.

Anyone seen problems with the partition table generation code in boot/part.c?
If not I will keep digging but I thought it was worth asking.

-Steve





Re: [9fans] Plan 9 5th Edition

2016-11-20 Thread hiro
you have to be careful with these feature requests, some don't really
bring plan 9 forward, because they are too generally useful and not
plan 9 specific enough.

On 11/20/16, Chris McGee  wrote:
> I like the idea of focusing on the functionality, not specific software,
> that could go into a 5th edition. It seems that stepping back and rethinking
> popular industry trends led to some of the unique and interesting decisions
> that gave us plan9 in the first place.
>
> Here is what I'd like to see
> -3D graphics (something akin to /dev/draw except for graphics pipelines)
> -Location capabilities (gps, map drawing, routing)
> -Mobile interface (clean, simple, optimized for small and touch screens)
> -2D graphics editing (edit photographs or make raster art from scratch,
> layers, antialiasing, filesystem for scripting)
> -3D printing (manipulate 3D model data, output one of the standard formats
> for printers)
> -Knowledge/AI system (plug in statements, make inferences)
> -Notifications (deliver events, alerts and reminders to my attention in a
> consistent manner)
> -Search quickly for files based on content (indices, also accessible via 9P,
> there's a paper floating around about this)
> -Easily find disk space statistics (free disk space for each file system)
> -Single Instruction Multiple Data (language and compiler for writing
> programs that can use these special instructions)
> -Video playback and recording (support for most popular 3 codecs, including
> one of the free ones, syncing of audio stream, record from camera and/or
> screen)
> -Clean HTML (not fully featured web browser, instead render existing HTML in
> a clean, readable way, not unlike the various reader modes in popular web
> browsers, convert to PDF/PS)
>
> I think that each of these can be done in the plan9 way with simple,
> consistent and elegant implementations that integrate well with the rest of
> the system. The focus is to enable capability and not necessarily to just
> port existing software, repeating existing complexity and bloat.
>
> Chris
>
>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Charlie Lin  wrote:
>>
>> Any features that should be incorporated into Plan 9?
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2016 17:27, "Charlie Lin"  wrote:
>>> Any plans for Plan 9 5th edition?
>>>
>>> My desires:
>>> ISO-compliant C compiler and preprocessor
>>> Port other programming languages (especially Go) to here
>>> Start a source code repository
>>> Port Git, SVN, Mercurial, et cetera to here
>



Re: [9fans] Plan 9 5th Edition

2016-11-20 Thread Chris McGee
I like the idea of focusing on the functionality, not specific software, that 
could go into a 5th edition. It seems that stepping back and rethinking popular 
industry trends led to some of the unique and interesting decisions that gave 
us plan9 in the first place.

Here is what I'd like to see
-3D graphics (something akin to /dev/draw except for graphics pipelines)
-Location capabilities (gps, map drawing, routing)
-Mobile interface (clean, simple, optimized for small and touch screens)
-2D graphics editing (edit photographs or make raster art from scratch, layers, 
antialiasing, filesystem for scripting)
-3D printing (manipulate 3D model data, output one of the standard formats for 
printers)
-Knowledge/AI system (plug in statements, make inferences)
-Notifications (deliver events, alerts and reminders to my attention in a 
consistent manner)
-Search quickly for files based on content (indices, also accessible via 9P, 
there's a paper floating around about this)
-Easily find disk space statistics (free disk space for each file system)
-Single Instruction Multiple Data (language and compiler for writing programs 
that can use these special instructions)
-Video playback and recording (support for most popular 3 codecs, including one 
of the free ones, syncing of audio stream, record from camera and/or screen)
-Clean HTML (not fully featured web browser, instead render existing HTML in a 
clean, readable way, not unlike the various reader modes in popular web 
browsers, convert to PDF/PS)

I think that each of these can be done in the plan9 way with simple, consistent 
and elegant implementations that integrate well with the rest of the system. 
The focus is to enable capability and not necessarily to just port existing 
software, repeating existing complexity and bloat.

Chris

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 3:37 PM, Charlie Lin  wrote:
> 
> Any features that should be incorporated into Plan 9?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2016 17:27, "Charlie Lin"  wrote:
>> Any plans for Plan 9 5th edition?
>> 
>> My desires:
>> ISO-compliant C compiler and preprocessor
>> Port other programming languages (especially Go) to here
>> Start a source code repository
>> Port Git, SVN, Mercurial, et cetera to here


Re: [9fans] Plan 9 5th Edition

2016-11-20 Thread hiro
On 11/20/16, Ryan Gonzalez  wrote:
> ...which got shut down earlier this year:

That's a lie, nothing has been shut down. Google loves us too much.
Plan 9 is not dead either.
http://r-36.net/9front/9front-5561.df1dc1ff2475.iso.bz2.torrent