Re: [9fans] what heavy negativity!
Hi Mayuresh ! Can't help offering the quote: *First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. * *Mahatma Gandhi* I have read with considerable bemusement the many responses to your proposal. Granted that it does look like a huge challenge. Knowledgeable people can see many problems with what you are contemplating. But you have to remember that you might learn a great deal if you attempt your idea and sometimes good things come from attempting grand challenges. Just think what would have happened if Columbus had given up when his proposal was first rejected. May I suggest that you overlook the emotional negativity and look at the technical specifics of why many others see your proposal as foolhardy. Then having given due consideration to the technical issues and your resources (both time and knowledge) you would be in a far better position to make an informed decision. IMHO Plan9 offers a great deal of potential but is hamstrung by the lack of resources to advance device drivers and accommodate the evolution of hardware since the times it was designed. To many people the visual aspects of the user interface are unappealing and yet to others that is exactly what appeals to them. So it is impossible to please all the people all the time. I for one, would very much like to see the Plan9 architecture and thus concepts become available within more mainstream environments. On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 15:11, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > man, i experienced such heavy negativity towards my efforts to build a > linux kernel based plan9port vehicle that i am sure considering > abandoning the effort. > > the idea was to have a 64-bit linux kernel with the advantages of > plan9port (small and elegantly designed+developed tools). > > no, really, there was too much negativity. > > sorry that i bothered you all. > > ~mayuresh > > >
Re: [9fans] what heavy negativity!
it's sad that technical disagreements have to lead to such hysteria :(
Re: [9fans] what heavy negativity!
Hi Mayuresh, Please don't be discouraged. The Plan 9 community is small and has its fair share of trolls. If you feel strongly about this effort then by all means move forward! In the past, I've found that a prototype/proof of concept can speak far more than any email I could write ahead of time. Give this a shot - test our your ideas, and if you're pleased with the result share it! This is a great opportunity to learn more about plan9port, it's relationship with Linux and more importantly what a minimal system could look like. Regards, Steve On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 12:11 AM Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > man, i experienced such heavy negativity towards my efforts to build a > linux kernel based plan9port vehicle that i am sure considering > abandoning the effort. > > the idea was to have a 64-bit linux kernel with the advantages of > plan9port (small and elegantly designed+developed tools). > > no, really, there was too much negativity. > > sorry that i bothered you all. > > ~mayuresh > >
Re: [9fans] what heavy negativity!
Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 12:11 AM Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > man, i experienced such heavy negativity towards my efforts to build ... > > the idea was to have a 64-bit linux kernel with the advantages of > plan9port (small and elegantly designed+developed tools). Mayuresh, To echo what others have said, don't let the negativity itself affect your work. Consider only the technical points that have been raised. To the extent that you evaluate them and consider them relevant to your objectives, factor them into your work. It really doesn't matter if anyone else ever cares about or uses your work. If you learn from it, get intellectual satisfaction from it, and it's useful to you, then it's worth doing. If others can benefit too, great, but lack of interest on the part of others is not a good reason for lack of initiative on your part. As far as I can tell, I'm the only one using a file system I developed. Sure, in some ways I would like if everyone thought it was as great as I do, but just because they don't doesn't stop me from benefitting from it. As for the specifics of your project, I personally don't think I'd be all that interested in the results. As much as I like the elegance and simplicty of the implementation of the Plan 9 user-land, much of the beauty of the system comes from the simplicity and elegance of the kernel. So if I were using the Plan 9 user-land on top of the LInux kernel, I wouldn't feel the same sense of beauty, intellectual satisfaction, and connection to the original developers as I do running the same user-land on the Plan 9 kernel. But just because I wouldn't be interested is no reason to stop your research. Just be sure to study the similar efforts that have come before and that have been mentioned here. What did they accomplish? Did they go wrong somewhere? Can you get to that goal avoiding those mistakes? If nothing else, the whole experience will almost certainly give you a greater appreciation for the Plan 9 kernel. Just a couple of thoughts from an old-timer who misses the days of working on PDP-11s. BLS
Re: [9fans] what heavy negativity!
On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 10:39:36AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > sorry that i bothered you all. > apology accepted, try to do better next time khm
Re: [9fans] what heavy negativity!
You're being a real jerk, Kurt. I don't really care what your rationale is; it's simply unnecessary. Flame away, --dho Op vr 5 okt. 2018 om 08:00 schreef Kurt H Maier : > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 10:39:36AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > > > sorry that i bothered you all. > > > > apology accepted, try to do better next time > > khm > >
