Re: [9fans] Plan9 global product testing.
Hey folks,
Sorry yesterday was quite busy for me what with 3D printing (which I'm
still finishing off over the next week) and working on some of my
racking here in my home datacenter, so please forgive me if I'm a bit in
& out this week.
As mentioned prior I'm looking to create a digital service product to
introduce new users to Plan9, I doubt we will attract millions of new
users flowing in each and every week, I even doubt 100 per year but it's
an option and a service which is on-demand, online and with global
access almost on all devices.
This digital service entails the use of interacting with Plan9 as a
service via the browser which I will be hosting myself at
https://daaswise.com from within my datacentre racking, I have some SUN,
PC-clone, Mac servers and am already in the process of providing these
services to a number of people globally.
It would give possible new users a way to interact with Plan9 directly
through the usual web browser and on anything from a smartphone to
tablets, laptops and of-course a home PC but not only that on anyone
else's too that maintains a data connection and has access to the internet.
-I don't see a huge number taking the opportunity to utilise smartphone,
tablet technology simply due to them being touch display based, but
maybe someone will come up with a way to interact at a later date, if any.
Wanted to test the service within the group for a while, iron out some
issues as I know ESXi is not going to be much help to me and I'm not too
keen on Hyper-V even though it has a lovely install footprint, fairly
simple to interact with userspace. Today, I'm testing out my ProxMox
installs and seeing how they can deliver the service to possible users
and failing that it could be a case of a simple CentOs install(maybe)
and utilising VMs from within that like a container setup.
-Sounds like a crazy idea, but other OSs and users already do such and I
thought this would add to an even more minimal, easy way to interact
without even utilising an LiveCD or even downloading said .iso :)
Kind regards,
Darren Wise
On 12/11/2019 14:33, Darren Wise wrote:
Will do in a little while folks, I'm just in the middle of a 90 hour
3D printing production run, so am minding the machine every 40 or so
mins and working on some of my rack, getting ready to present the
digital product to you for testing.
On 12/11/2019 14:27, Grant Defayette wrote:
Maybe you could tell us a little more about the “digital product” and
what it is or how it works?
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 3:56 PM Darren Wise <mailto:dar...@wisecorp.co.uk>> wrote:
Hey Plan9'ers,
I dont post a hell of allot but am an user in my own time of
Plan9 like the most of you.
I'd be interested to know if the users of this mailing list would
be interested in testing a digital product I'm developing,
hopefully at the end of testing it would introduce possible new
users to plan 9 as a whole.
Really I'd just like to test the waters, I very much doubt
seasoned, daily users would be much interested in the format as a
whole for a long period of time and in the format presented but I
think they would be at first interested in testing the notion and
to say.. Yep, been there, tried it! While also utilising the
product possibly still from other angles which are bred in to
plan9 as a whole from kernel up.
But to introduce new users as it is, would be a very interesting
notion which I have not seen prior and I'd like to see how it
plays out for others. I welcome any feedback on the notion, open
to ideas and I'm sure over a period, help would be needed here
and there in the form of best practices, advice, on others of
which we are all here for from time to time.
Kind regards,
Darren Wise
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Re: [9fans] Plan9 global product testing.
Will do in a little while folks, I'm just in the middle of a 90 hour 3D
printing production run, so am minding the machine every 40 or so mins
and working on some of my rack, getting ready to present the digital
product to you for testing.
On 12/11/2019 14:27, Grant Defayette wrote:
Maybe you could tell us a little more about the “digital product” and
what it is or how it works?
On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 3:56 PM Darren Wise <mailto:dar...@wisecorp.co.uk>> wrote:
Hey Plan9'ers,
I dont post a hell of allot but am an user in my own time of Plan9
like the most of you.
I'd be interested to know if the users of this mailing list would
be interested in testing a digital product I'm developing,
hopefully at the end of testing it would introduce possible new
users to plan 9 as a whole.
Really I'd just like to test the waters, I very much doubt
seasoned, daily users would be much interested in the format as a
whole for a long period of time and in the format presented but I
think they would be at first interested in testing the notion and
to say.. Yep, been there, tried it! While also utilising the
product possibly still from other angles which are bred in to
plan9 as a whole from kernel up.
But to introduce new users as it is, would be a very interesting
notion which I have not seen prior and I'd like to see how it
plays out for others. I welcome any feedback on the notion, open
to ideas and I'm sure over a period, help would be needed here and
there in the form of best practices, advice, on others of which we
are all here for from time to time.
Kind regards,
Darren Wise
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[9fans] Plan9 global product testing.
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Heya folks, Thanks very much for the replies so far, I'm still reading them as they come in and when the flutter has calmed down a little I'll then start to reply. I'm just letting you know I am listening and reading and not being ignorant firing off some random eMail and then doing-one elsewhere :D Some very high quality responses so far, good giggles as well! Awesome insights considering my level of Plan9 usage and knowledge at this stage. Awesome stuff! On 15/04/2019 16:10, Chris McGee wrote: Hi Darren, Your goal seem to be to make the system less daunting for new users. I think there are a number of ways to accomplish this. Dressing up the UI and/or making it more like popular used interfaces might be one way to make new users feel more comfortable. One concern with doing this is that it allows them to come with other assumptions that may confusions about how the underlying system works. This effort could also increase complexity and size of the core system. Simplicity, size and consistency are aspects of Plan 9 that I really value. Otherwise, I might as well just use BSD or even Linux. In my experience one of the biggest hurdles to getting curious new users to give Plan 9 a try is just getting access to a namespace so that they can give it a try and learn. I think that the quickest path at the moment is to install it onto a VM like qemu (or yuck, virtualbox) since you can bypass the whole hardware selection and compatibility pain points. I put some YouTube videos up showing people step-by-step with a decent number of views and comments, so I think this helped some people just to get their hands on it. There are more ideas that I'm playing with to help people get started, such as building a website where you can get a drawterm in your web browser and give it a try. Once a new user has access to the system there could be some exercises and tutorials to engage them. There could be a variety of these depending on the background, whether programmer, Linux user, librarian, whatever. The key in my opinion is to not hide the core system with layer after layer of "pretty" GUI's, but instead reveal it gradually with decent explanations. I think that the core of Plan 9 is much easier to explain than other systems because of its smaller size, relatively consistent interfaces and versatility. Once you grasp one area it is much easier to begin grasping more of it using the skills you already have. I can't say the same thing about Linux or any other system that I have used. Like any tool, there is some required learning and practice. Good tools amplify your learning as you practice with it. Once someone understands how Plan 9 works then I think they will have many of the tools that they need to build their own networks with it. I recommend digging into man pages and /sys/doc at this stage. There's a wealth of well written guides in there, although some could be made a bit more current. A guide on how to build a home network using raspberry pi terminals and a CPU/file server from easy to acquire, but well designed, modern hardware would be a welcome addition. The system is far from perfect as others will tell you but there's advances and fixes happening steadily. I'm just not sure if focusing on the initial user experience through UI look and feel is adding much. I think a more general discussion of GUI capabilities, such as video and 3D graphics capabilities, would be great, but more in the context of what kinds of tasks people want to accomplish. The trick is to fit those improvements into the rest of the system and not just jamming them in. Cheers, Chris -- WISECORP <https://wisecorp.co.uk> Darren Wise eMail: dar...@wisecorp.co.uk <mailto:dar...@wisecorp.co.uk> www: https://wisecorp.co.uk The company [ WISECORP ] accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in handwriting. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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