Re: [9fans] Go

[John Waters]

or "tissah-go" for that matter :)

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:27 AM, Eris Discordia
 wrote:
>> arabic numeral 9 is very close: ۹
>
> Puny pedantry: that's a(n) Hindi/Indic numeral. 9 is already an "Arabic
> numeral."
>
> If playing on numerals is allowed why shouldn't they call it IXgo or even
> Kyuugo?
>
>
> --On Tuesday, November 10, 2009 22:47 -0800 Skip Tavakkolian
> <9...@9netics.com> wrote:
>
>>> Another thorny
>>> issue is what to name the package, since you can't start a
>>> package name with a digit.
>>
>> arabic numeral 9 is very close: ۹
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] clarification needed

[John Waters]

I need to think/write up a command that I can name "nph"

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Andrew Simmons  wrote:
>> by the way, which one's kumar?
>>
> Kumar is the one with nice pubes.
>
>

Re: [9fans] cheap, low-resolution terminal

[John Waters]

> What'd you say if you had my keyboard? I

I would say that I need to find some more activities for your key.

Re: [9fans] SYSTOR 2009---The Israeli Experimental Systems

[John Waters]

Actually, my Business visa to Saudi has me listed as a Muslim in
'Arabic. I could just have been visiting Bait Al Maqdis. :)

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:16 PM,   wrote:
>> I wonder how much flack I would get from Israeli passport control for
>> the stamps in my passport. :)
>
> What makes you think you'll be allowed back into those countries after
> visiting Israel?  :-)
>
> ++L
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] SYSTOR 2009---The Israeli Experimental Systems Conference

[John Waters]

I wonder how much flack I would get from Israeli passport control for
the stamps in my passport. :)

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Akshat Kumar
 wrote:
> which homie in the hood is going to represent?
>
> yo
> ak
>
>

Re: [9fans] How can I boot plan9 on my Compaq AlphaServer DS10L?

[John Waters]

I would have opted for the obvious firearms-related solution. :)

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:19 AM, ron minnich  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Nolan Hamilton
>  wrote:
>> Well apparently plan9 runs on alpha, but I can not get plan9 to run on my
>> DS10L.  Can anyone help?
>>
>
> I can help the DS10L.
>
> 1. open window
> 2. look out, make sure no one is in the areas
> 3. slide DS10L out window
>
> now that was easy!
>
> Of course, there are also experiments involving sledgehammers and
> large rocks if you want to get more creative.
>
> I do love the DS10L.
>
> ron
>
>

Re: [9fans] plan9 now officially not the OS with the ugliest GUI anymore

[John Waters]

I don't think that there is a darn thing wrong with rio, its the Audi of GUIs

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Jack Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I always thought 8 1/2, rio, acme and friends were more, uh, Amish UIs
> than ugly UIs, but to each his or her own.
>
> -J
>
>

Re: [9fans] Books on plan 9

[John Waters]

What I did was have Nemo's book and a number of the papers printed and bound
for $40 US.
Swing by your local Popcopy and have one of the apathetic and condescending
staff do the same.



On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Nolan Hamilton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I was wondering if there are any books on plan 9. I mean that I can buy at
> a book store, not just a .pdf.  I have already read nemo's textbook.
> -Nolan Hamilton
>

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

[John Waters]

Here in Saudi Arabia, most ISPs are happy to provide what I like to call
"five sevens" service.
I think that it would be awesome to have a net connection stable enough to
run a smtp or http server.
Then again I think it would be nice to have an ISP where I don't have to run
"pull" 3 or 4 times in order to get a full update.

I can't get out of here fast enough (2.5 months left on contract).

-jcw

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:57 PM, sqweek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:59 PM, jfmxl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > My ISP was blocking port 25 outgoing, so I could send mail to my own
> > mailserver. It turned out that sendmail was listening on port 587 as
> > well, so I use that instead.
> >
> > I assumed my ISP was blocking outgoing port 25 to stop captured
> > machines from spamming. Why do you think yours stopped incoming port
> > 25? Probably just easier to block it in both directions?
>
>  My ISP blocks common incoming ports (25, 80) by default, presumably
> because they see much more abuse than legitimate use - just think of
> the number of people who run mail/www servers over residential
> broadband vs the number of people with potentially vulnerable windows
> machines. Fortunately for me, my ISP also provides an easy way to turn
> the filtering off.
> -sqweek
>
>

Re: [9fans] Questions about plan9.

[John Waters]

The regulars on that group spend their days either playing bingo at the
community center, chasing kids off their yard with a broom, or posting to
that USENET group. :)


On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Nolan Hamilton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
>
> Thanks alot, people in comp.os.plan9 are much more polite then in
> comp.os.vms.
>
>

Re: [9fans] Happy Birthday, Ed Wood

[John Waters]

I will wear one of my wife's angora sweaters in commemoration of this great
man's birthday.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Chad Dougherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> (posthumous birthday, unfortunately)
>
> BornEdward Davis Wood
> October 10, 1924(1924-10-10)
> Poughkeepsie, New York
>
>
>-Chad
>
>

Re: [9fans] Where to find plan9

[John Waters]

9fans.net is unreachable from Riyadh.. but then again a lot of places are
unreacable from Riyadh. :(

John


On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> google should be enough...
>
> http://9fans.net should be the result of your search...
>
> But then... Am I the only one unable to reach 9fans.net?
>
> cheers!
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Riza Dindir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Where can we find the plan9 distro?
> >
> > Regards,
> > rd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [9fans] mouse trouble in VMWare Fusion

[John Waters]

Actually I used Plan9 on VMWare workstation for Linux for quite a
while without too many problems. Then again all I was doing was
working though Nemo's book. :)

VMWare Fusion is definitely not yet ready for prime time, I have
noticed some interoperability problems with other Guest OSes (FreeBSD)
and a few "heisenburg" type issues on Linux. I have also started to
experience conditions where Plan9 will not boot, complaining of divide
errors or memory problems, then boot w/o issue after sending a
ctrl-alt-del from the pulldown menu. I suppose that's why its half the
price of VMWare Workstation...

Lakshmi, from VMWare support, blew me off at the mere mentioning of Plan 9.

As for setting up physical hardware, I am on the tail end of a 11
month contract in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. I need more stuff like I need
a hole in my head. I prefer virtualization-related silliness to
dealing with the "experts" in th local computer souk and subsequent
sale/transportation of the gear when its time to go home.

Ghabi kushi kabi kam.

*sigh*
Johnny

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Adrian Tritschler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/8/27 Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>> I had the same problem under VMware workstation 5.5 and couldn't solve
>>> it, I ended up working around it by making the VMware plan9 system a
>>> cpu/auth box and connecting to it with drawterm from the linux host
>>> system.
>>
>> it is not this problem?
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.plan9/msg/96b8706125ee5c42
>
> Suggestion is to "echo -n hwaccel off >/dev/vgactl"
>
> From memory that helped, but didn't get rid of the problem entirely on
> my system.  It made the graphics usable/readable, but the mouse was
> still wildly erratic.
>
>  Adrian
>
>

[9fans] mouse trouble in VMWare Fusion

[John Waters]

Greetings fellow 9fans,

I am having a strange and annoying issue with Plan9 inside vmware
fusion. In both windowed and full screen mode the cursor will,
seemingly randomly, "jump" into and out of the VM. That is to say that
if Plan9 has control of my mouse, and I move the cursor across the
"screen" of the VM, there are regions where the mouse will suddenly be
handed over to the Mac OS. I found that drawing a new terminal across
the screen will change the areas that are effected. This happens with
both "older" installs that I migrated over from VMWare Workstation on
Linux as well as "fresh" installs from iso images downloaded as
recently as two weeks ago.

I have not seen this problem with VMWare workstation.

1) Has anyone else seen this behavior?
2) Is there any known fix for the problem?


Thanks,
John

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

[John Waters]

Not here in Najd, Saudi Arabia, where I live and work, it isn't.

2008/8/24 Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> One more bit on Arabic:
>
> In a predicative sentence the subject is necessarily "Marfu'" (= "مرفوع")
> which means it either has a "damma" (= "ضمه") or a "dammatan" (= "ضمهٌ") on
> the ending letter. Whether the "damma" or the "dammaton" is used depends on
> whether the subject is "Ma'rafa" (= "معرفه", "known") or "Nakara" (= "نکره",
> "unknown"). When "Salam" has the definite article "Al" it is considered
> "Ma'rafa" and therefore receives the "damma" but when it is used without
> that article it is "Nakara" and receives the "dammaton." So, both forms
> "Al-Salam-u" and "Salam-on" are correct. However, the greeting in actual use
> is "Salam-on alaikom."
>
> --On Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:27 AM +0300 John Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Small correction, it is actually " ال سلام " , or "As-Salaam" (the L
>> in AL elides with "shams" letters). It would also be inappropriate for
>> you to receive such a greeting, which is a du'a reserved for muslims
>> only. Since you are using the name "Eris, is the name of a "deity", it
>> is safe to assume you are not a muslim. :) It is also "As-salaamu",
>> there is a "damma" or "u" vowel atop then meem in "salaam".
>>
>> "marhaban" is a more appropriate greeting in this case.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Eris Discordia
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Do me a favor. Fire up your beloved upas, use mail, and relay one email
>>> through upas/smtpd to smtp.gmail.com:587 with the words "שָׁלוֹם
>>> עֲלֵיכֶם" (Hebrew, Shalom aleichem) or "سلام علیکم"
>>> (Arabic, Salam-on alaikom) to my address. Let's see if "the mail goes
>>> through."
>
>

Re: [9fans] Using the Acme Editor

[John Waters]

Small correction, it is actually " ال سلام " , or "As-Salaam" (the L
in AL elides with "shams" letters). It would also be inappropriate for
you to receive such a greeting, which is a du'a reserved for muslims
only. Since you are using the name "Eris, is the name of a "deity", it
is safe to assume you are not a muslim. :) It is also "As-salaamu",
there is a "damma" or "u" vowel atop then meem in "salaam".

"marhaban" is a more appropriate greeting in this case.





On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Do me a favor. Fire up your beloved upas, use mail, and relay one email
> through upas/smtpd to smtp.gmail.com:587 with the words "שָׁלוֹם עֲלֵיכֶם"
> (Hebrew, Shalom aleichem) or "سلام علیکم" (Arabic, Salam-on alaikom) to my
> address. Let's see if "the mail goes through."

Re: [9fans] 2nd Edition

[John Waters]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:58 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You mean like this?
> Low cost 200MHz ARM single board computer, LAN, USB, UARTs, D-IO, A/D,
> D/A, from $65.
>
>* 200MHz ARM 9 processor 100MHz system bus. 32-64MB SDRAM,4-32MB FLASH
>* 10/100 baseT Ethernet
>* 2 USB 2.0 port
>* 2 UARTs
>* A/D converter
>* D/A converter
>* Digital I/O
>* SPI expansion
> http://www.embedded-computing.com/products/search/fm/id/?24840
>
> I'm lost on the next thing too. I don't see the point.
>
> ron
>
>

Heck, just stick one (or more) of these with a LCD panel in one of the
many dim/fuzzy N4000A displays floating around...
I bet you could have 8 SBC's, the display, a switch and power supply,
and still have room enough to stash an entire Babylon-5 DVD
collection.

Re: [9fans] ilock error/kernel panic (Plan9 hates SciAm)

[John Waters]

Thanks Russ,
I'll try this once I am out of the office (gmt +3 here, what are you
doing up?? :) ) and write back int the problem persists. The build
that I used is probably 2 weeks old.

John

On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think this is the same bug that was reported a few months ago.
>> Apparently the fix I suggested was not applied.  That fix is to
>> remove the following lines from /sys/src/9/port/taslock.c:
>
> I was looking in the wrong place, at an old copy of the kernel.
> The fix has been applied, but it's entirely possible you need
> to rebuild your kernel.
>
> Russ
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

[John Waters]

I have a means to circumvent the filters, but not at my current location.
Thankfully 9p flows as poorly as all the other protocols here in KSA,
but it still flows. I wonder sometimes if I am the only plan 9 user in
"The Kingdom"... Where most folks are accustomed to "five nines" of
availability, the denizens of my hot/dusty/boring city are generally
happy with "five sevens".

Getting back to the topic at hand, does anyone know any specific
8-core capable motherboards that are running plan 9 on bare metal?

ma salaama
jcw

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Uriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You could always import /net from a 9grid node in a (more) free
> country ;) (Maybe SA should start filtering 9P connections ;)
>
> Peace
>
> uriel
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, John Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Mr Forsyth,
>>
>> I tried to respond to your directly, but the mail bounced.
>> Here in Saudi Arabia tinyurl is blocked (by the govt). Is it possible
>> that you (or someone else) can expand the URL for me and send it to me
>> off-list?
>>
>> Thanks
>> John Waters,
>> No relation to the director
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:37 PM, C H Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore?
>>>
>>> yes: http://tinyurl.com/5jc8u8, for instance
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [9fans] 8 cores

[John Waters]

Hi Mr Forsyth,

I tried to respond to your directly, but the mail bounced.
Here in Saudi Arabia tinyurl is blocked (by the govt). Is it possible
that you (or someone else) can expand the URL for me and send it to me
off-list?

Thanks
John Waters,
No relation to the director

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:37 PM, C H Forsyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Furthermore, does anyone out there run Plan 9 on non-x86 hardware anymore?
>
> yes: http://tinyurl.com/5jc8u8, for instance
>
>

Re: [9fans] Anatomy of a vblade image

[John Waters]

Indeed,
I have been toying around with the idea of building a larger scale
version of Mr. Minnich's lunchbox using Mini-ITX boards..
But I have no justification, since virtually everything i need to do
with plan 9 happens impossibly fast on just a simple vmware instance.
Plan9 is sufficiently speedy to stifle my desire to build a fast system.

John

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 2:49 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In the Linux world kvlade looks the way to go for performance but it
>> didn't work on AMD64 when I tried it. I guess the Coraid boxes make Plan
>> 9 go fast enough so I just need to stop worrying about it.
>
> plan 9 is a good platform; it is very speedy and doesn't do anything
> to you.  we didn't need to make it go fast.
>
> - erik
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] kind of interesting

[John Waters]

Some time ago I was a pen-tester for a govt contractor.
After a few months into my then new career I found myself constantly
terrified of the state of affairs of our infrastructure.
That was 13 years ago, I honestly hope that things have improved. I
tell myself that  they have just to not hole myself up in a bunker
with an AR15, iodine tablets, and Hunter S. Thompson's (ex) personal
stash of dinty moore beef stew.

I read the abstract for this paper in the very recent past and I was
not at all surprised, it seems to be indicative of everything that is
wrong with the information systems that run our critical
infrastructure. It terrifies me that what protects us is not good
security, but the lack of skill, imagination, and impetus of our
adversaries.

I have been doing some single sign on related "work" at a big
financial institution in the middle east, as a result I have been
finding all kinds of really silly bugs in pretty important software
(again, not naming names), and I am not that smart of a guy. There's
simply no way to get away from the feeling that despite all of the
hard work applied to security, the core software systems that actually
handle critical data are still either totally insecure or far too easy
to misconfigure in an insecure manner.

Marcus Ranum was right, there is simply no patch for stupidity.

jcw

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Jason Gurtz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/2/2008 09:34, ron minnich wrote:
>> our power grid in the US is, well, interesting:
>> http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/hkhurana/IFIP_CIP_08.pdf
>
> Additional interest might be found in CIP-001-1 thru CIP-009-1 found at
> 
>
> It would be great if Plan 9 was running on some of these embedded
> devices or in the control room in a monitoring and control role but it
> seems like VxWorks/Windows/Linux is too popular.
>
> I will tell you this:  There is money to be made in this SCADA sector
> and since it's all still semi-proprietary, people are used to forklift
> upgrades and don't care as much about preserving the platform.  Utility
> related GIS systems are another fertile ground.
>
> I wince when I see the invoices.
>
> ~JasonG
>
> --
>
>

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

[John Waters]

He's clearly some ESR clone that's trying to get his "hip right wing
guy" polemic on.
Move aside, John Malkovich, there's a new a**hole on the map. =)

 Its obvious to me now that Linux is a victim of its own popularity
and development model. I have always preferred BSD's way of doing
things and the folks that support it.. except for Theo, that is..

I stepped away from Linux around Kernel 1.2.13, since then the amount
of crap that has been dumped into the kernel is simply astonishing. I
am 100% sure that, now that vmware runs on OS X, I will be finished
with linux for good once I get back to the states.I honestly think
that the #1 goal of linux kernel developers is to make sure that the
kernel takes 20 minutes to build on whatever the current fastest
processor is.

To quote dmr: "The rational prisoner exploits the weak places, creates
order from chaos: instead collectives like FSF vindicate their jailers
by building cells almost compatible with existing ones, albeit it with
more features."  Linux has become a Disneyland supermax parody of what
it set out to imitate.

As for Plan9's technical issues, I would rather have something small,
fast, and complete for the things that i need to do than millions of
lines of code that I don't need, want, or know about doing God knows
what in the background; Plan9's license issues just gives scientists
the excuse to pretend to be politicians. The only thing worse than a
politician is an armchair politician. The Noam Chomsky thing only
works if you focus on issues that really matter... Oh and being damned
brilliant helps, too.

jcw

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Federico G. Benavento
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have no idea what that discordian crap is nor what your
> intentions are, but I do know that you're either a troll
> or complete idiot.
>
> what do you try to achieve ... it is the wrong'em boyo
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

[John Waters]

I have always felt guilty about wanting Common LISP on Plan 9; but I
am not entirely sure why.
John

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:35 PM, David Leimbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>The question is what new function Plan 9, as an OS, defines for
>> the end user.
>> Plan 9 is not for end users.  Plan 9 is for programmers.
>
> I think I just heard the sound of a nail being struck on the head.
>
> I do find myself wanting Lisp, Scheme, and Haskell and all my other weird
> programming toys for Plan 9 too.  I believe Haskell and Scheme are handled,
> but has there ever been a Common Lisp implementation for it?   Perhaps I
> should look into a port of SBCL or something.
> Dave
>>
>> -rob
>>
>
>

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

[John Waters]

Not to mention quoting ESR is not going to win you any friends
anywhere, except for ESR's house...
jcw

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:01 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> well, Eris, it is quite possible that you're right. It is also
> possible that you never quite got it.
>
> Or both are possible.
>
> ron
>
>

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

[John Waters]

What can we expect an OctoVX32 distribution? ;)

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Octopus sessions persist by definition as long as you do not
> reboot your central PC. All other machines are used to run viewers, but
> the layout is preserved by the (window) file system kept at the PC.
>
> Also, you may use tar to capture (most of) the window system state
> and restore it later (eg., upon reboots).
>
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:24 AM, underspecified
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This is actually something I am very interested in as well.
>> If a persistent version of Acme (-SAC) was available it would
>> completely obviate my use of screen.
>> Would something like this be feasible outside of Octopus as well?
>>
>> --underspecified
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Tim Wiess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this slashdot article almost asks for cpu
> functionality for plan 9 by name.
>
> http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/08/06/29/1417247.shtml
>
> not a single mention of plan 9.  i hope
> this is an indication that slashdot has
> slipped.
>
> screens?  1978 called and wants its
> terminal server mentality back.
>
> - erik

 cpu is not persistent, at least not in the way
 he wants it.
>>>
>>> Yeah, seems like the poster is more interested in something similar to
>>> what Octopus give you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [9fans] space glenda - in acrylic

[John Waters]

I would like to see a plain white and otherwise unadorned T-shirt with
the upper-left corner of an Acme window on the front. I often describe
Plan9 (and its fuzzy little mascot) as having an "audi like"
aesthetic. While I admit that the painting is cute I prefer the
original in soft pencil on paper. For me painting Glenda in color
would be akin to hanging a huge carbon fiber wing on an S4, like
adding flashing LEDs to a Karim Rashid table lamp

My wife and I were just admiring the other works by Renee French, we
decided that we would have to go ahead and buy up as much of her
published materials as possible once we return home from "The
Kingdom".

jcw

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I love it...
>
> I am waiting to see that on Guggenheim Museoa soon... ;)
>
> Perhaps some glenda stickers too... I am sure there is enough artwork
> to have some nice "merchandise"
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:46 AM, kix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Great!
>>
>> T-shirts I need a new Plan9 t-shirts.
>>
>> --
>> kix - http://www.kix.es
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2008, at 5:11, "Rob Pike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> http://flickr.com/photos/redlense/2429073822/
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Laptop advice

[John Waters]

I have an LG A1 "Dual Express" notebook that I bought here in Riyadh a
few months ago.
It also has a PRPD (pseudorandom pointing device) and it has nearly
driven me to the point of spazzing out on several occasions.  Other
than that it is a great litte laptop. Since it has an external USB
device I have not loaded plan9 on bare metal, I run it on VMWare
workstation 6.

Which brings me to a question:
Does anyone have trouble booting new installations of plan9 on
vmware6? I turn off hwaccel, load the os, and after the install
completes and the system reboots it just hangs. I am still using
systems built on Mahmoud's vmware image (for which I am indeed
grateful).

I would very much like to do clean installs on vmware, especially
since I am evangelizing plan9 as much as possible here in Saudi and
using it to teach my trainees about operating systems.

John

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:01 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 3 buttons and a nipple not a touchpad
>>
>> no Windows key :)
>
> These are concrete assets.  I know at least one other laptop user (I
> have an old Compac Presario 900, he has a newer Acer or some such)
> that manages to trigger the touchpad without touching it.  Very, very
> annoying.  As for the Windows key, on the limited keyboard real estate
> of a laptop, it is a serious waste.
>
> ++L
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Consumers? We the eeevil empire are the consumers!

[John Waters]

I always thought that rio would look spectacular on an Apollo DN3500...


On 4/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 24, 7:47 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Come on, folks, PPC Apple was around for how many years, and the
> > only port effort I know of was a university project that I'm pretty
> > sure never got anything released. Why do we not want to do anything
> > until obsolescence is guaranteed? I think I'll start a Zaurus port,
> > that platform has been dead long enough now. If you want to work on
> > a port, do sparc64, since you can still buy those machines.
>
> I'd be very interested in a Zaurus port, although in my case it would
> be the SL-C3200 that I would be cheifly interested in. I have been
> porting a desktop linux distro to it but keep running into trouble,
> particulaly with the complexities of gcc and other bloated stuff. I
> guess porting a Linux distro to a machine designed for Linux is on a
> different level to porting an operating system, but if I can help with
> anything I'd like to.
>
> [Irrelevant Moderator's Note:
>
>  You can run OpenBSD on these machines:
>
>  http://www.openbsd.org/zaurus.html ]
>
>

Re: [9fans] Timezone file for Riyadh, KSA

[John Waters]

Hi gas,

After reviewing ctime's man page I came to the same conclusion.
I just tried it out and it appears to be just smurfy.

Thanks all,
jcw

On 4/21/08, gas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As far as i know, Saudi Arabia is at UTC+3h and has no daylight savings time, 
> so
>
> AST 10800 AST 10800
>
> should do. (C.f. Arizona.)
>
>
> --- Den mån 2008-04-21 skrev John Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Från: John Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Ämne: [9fans] Timezone file for Riyadh, KSA
> > Till: 9fans@9fans.net
> > Datum: måndag 21 april 2008 10.32
> > Hello and good morning,
> > I have recently relocated to Riyadh, KSA and have decided
> > to spend my
> > now all-too-copious free time learning the ins and outs of
> > Plan 9. One
> > nagging problem for me, however, is the lack of a AST
> > timezone file.
> >
> > I am curious if it is at all possible for:
> >
> > 1) Someone to throw one together for me, or (better still)
> > 2) Explain to me the format of the file.
> >
> > Also, are there any other plan 9 users in Saudi? :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John Waters, no relation to the director.
>
>
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[9fans] Timezone file for Riyadh, KSA

[John Waters]

Hello and good morning,
I have recently relocated to Riyadh, KSA and have decided to spend my
now all-too-copious free time learning the ins and outs of Plan 9. One
nagging problem for me, however, is the lack of a AST timezone file.

I am curious if it is at all possible for:

1) Someone to throw one together for me, or (better still)
2) Explain to me the format of the file.

Also, are there any other plan 9 users in Saudi? :)

Thanks,
John Waters, no relation to the director.