Re: [9fans] Plan 9's style(6) manual page

[Jules Merit]

That sums I.T. up

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018, 9:02 AM <8hal...@airmail.cc> wrote:

> Just an amateur C programmer looking for answers. My main inspirations
> for code
> style is K 2nd edition and I'm curious about the instructions in Plan
> 9's
> style(6) manual page (for reference,
> http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/6/style). I've
> tried to think about the motivations, but not everything is as clear as
> it
> seems.
>
> Going through style(6):
>
> > no white space before opening braces.
> > no white space after the keywords `if', `for', `while', etc.
>
> This is unique to Plan 9, it seems. I can't come up with a reason --
> both BSD
> and Linux style use whitespace, and K does too, while Plan 9 doesn't.
> Why?
>
> > no braces around single-line blocks (e.g., `if', `for', and `while'
> > bodies).
>
> Apologies, but I'll have to Go and do it anyway :)
>
> > automatic variables (local variables inside a function) are never
> > initialized at declaration.
>
> Why not? In order to reduce visual clutter? It seems like this should be
> handled
> case-by-case: in some situations this just wastes lines:
>
> int foo;
> foo = 12;
> func("blah", );
>
> > follow the standard idioms: use `x < 0' not `0 > x', etc.
>
> I'm guessing this is for consistency and more common coincidence with
> the flow
> of spoken language.
>
> > don't write `!strcmp' (nor `!memcmp', etc.) nor `if(memcmp(a, b, c))';
> > always
> > explicitly compare the result of string or memory comparison with zero
> > using a
> > relational operator.
>
> Was that a common programmer error? cmp functions should return 0 if the
> arguments are identical. Smells like disaster in baking!
>
> > and this is not an exhaustive list
>
> Is there anything missing?
>
> That's all. Thanks for your time.
>
>

Re: [9fans] Spectre and Meltdown

[Jules Merit]

srv ieee-754 trouble, GDS-II stream

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Jules Merit
<jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 23hiro now has dead 46 planberries, no see front
> c h ke
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:45 AM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cool, so we now have a lot of wifi support in total. never imagined that.
>>
>> There's prism(Lucent WaveLAN), Ralink RT2860, Ralink RT3090, a bunch
>> of intels, AND that rpi.
>>
>> IIUC only the wavelan stuff has hardmac, so no wifi.c -> no wpa2 there.
>>

Re: [9fans] Spectre and Meltdown

[Jules Merit]

23hiro now has dead 46 planberries, no see front
c h ke

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:45 AM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cool, so we now have a lot of wifi support in total. never imagined that.
>
> There's prism(Lucent WaveLAN), Ralink RT2860, Ralink RT3090, a bunch
> of intels, AND that rpi.
>
> IIUC only the wavelan stuff has hardmac, so no wifi.c -> no wpa2 there.
>

[9fans] RasberyPike

[Jules Merit]

make a wish tcl/tk
Cranberry Nein
faces of death
werc berrymore
I want my fucking money.
/menkar bootes revelstoke

Re: [9fans] goodbye cruel world

[Jules Merit]

ReAnimate the Dead
Dart chip

On Jan 11, 2018 6:53 PM, "Jules Merit" <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ace 14
>
> On Jan 11, 2018 6:49 PM, "Jules Merit" <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> An Excuse would be nice
>> "Two weeks" fruit flies of Mississippi marines won't come back to life.
>> ReKall
>> And you're a underling.
>> Bootes and buried computing
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2018 6:53 AM, "Peter Hull" <peterhul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:21 PM, Jules Merit
>>> <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I suppose it's one of those "If you have to ask..." things but can
>>> anyone explain (any of) Jules Merit's posts for me?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>

Re: [9fans] goodbye cruel world

[Jules Merit]

Ace 14

On Jan 11, 2018 6:49 PM, "Jules Merit" <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> An Excuse would be nice
> "Two weeks" fruit flies of Mississippi marines won't come back to life.
> ReKall
> And you're a underling.
> Bootes and buried computing
>
> On Jan 10, 2018 6:53 AM, "Peter Hull" <peterhul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:21 PM, Jules Merit
>> <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I suppose it's one of those "If you have to ask..." things but can
>> anyone explain (any of) Jules Merit's posts for me?
>> Cheers,
>> Pete
>>
>>

Re: [9fans] goodbye cruel world

[Jules Merit]

An Excuse would be nice
"Two weeks" fruit flies of Mississippi marines won't come back to life.
ReKall
And you're a underling.
Bootes and buried computing

On Jan 10, 2018 6:53 AM, "Peter Hull" <peterhul...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:21 PM, Jules Merit
> <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose it's one of those "If you have to ask..." things but can
> anyone explain (any of) Jules Merit's posts for me?
> Cheers,
> Pete
>
>

Re: [9fans] goodbye cruel world

[Jules Merit]

AM,
molly pot, Hollywood 666
James Thomas Inferno plan9 doom
E3M8 .dis

On Dec 31, 2017 3:20 AM, "Andrew Wingorodov"  wrote:

> True story
> https://goo.gl/r2ueQC
>
> Sorry for offtop
> hope to see you soon
> --
> http://andr.ru
>
>

Re: [9fans] [PSA] PXE booting RPi 2 and RPi 3

[Jules Merit]

1288a 1953 confirmed

On Nov 29, 2017 1:20 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" 
wrote:

> Hi 9fans,
>
> With Richard Miller's help, I was able to setup PXE booting for RPi 3 from
> Plan 9.  RPi 3 can pxe-boot without an SD card and RPi 2 only needs a
> single file (bootcode.bin) on an SD card. Here are the instructions:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hgcsAgk_FJRYW5r7LVeY23sTZN_giUit-8ra-
> dlW9ng
>
> Although the setup describes pxe loading Plan 9, it will work for other
> OSes.
>
> I had to change /sys/src/cmd/ip/dhcpd/dhcpd.c to reply with the right
> vendor info. It's a very specific hack; hopefully a more general way of
> supplying vendor info can be added.
>
> A big thank you to Richard for all his help and for reviewing the
> instructions.
>
> -Skip
>
>

Re: [9fans] git

[Jules Merit]

# man hit

On Nov 29, 2017 6:37 PM, "Dave MacFarlane"  wrote:

> David du Colombier's rc script is required to bootstrap my version
> anyways, so it's the best place to start (though dgit should work to
> for "go get"  if you bind it to have the name "git" in your
> namespace). The upside of his is that it's more reliable and is less
> likely to have a bug that eats your children, but the downside is that
> it isn't a git client.
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Skip Tavakkolian
>  wrote:
> > David du Colombier (djc) has a rc script.  I've used it to keep up with
> Go.
> >
> > http://9legacy.org/9legacy/tools/git
> >
> > driusan has written one in Go:
> >
> > https://github.com/driusan/dgit
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:00 AM Steve Simon  wrote:
> >>
> >> A few years ago there was some discussion about plan9 git clients.
> >>
> >> Is there any solution for using git from plan9, or do I have to use an
> >> inferior OS?
> >>
> >> -Steve
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> - Dave
>
>

Re: [9fans] git

[Jules Merit]

I still killed your family.
FBI watch me I got them too.
I smashed border patrol faces of death rock.
Perseus.uno

On Nov 29, 2017 4:52 PM, "Steve Simon" <st...@quintile.net> wrote:

> i missed you Mr M. Shaney.
>
>
> On 29 Nov 2017, at 21:36, Jules Merit <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> St George
> package pxemain
> ... Wireless brain computer interface
> Greek Orthodox
> That's my idea, Boston
>
> On Nov 29, 2017 1:27 PM, "Skip Tavakkolian" <skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> David du Colombier (djc) has a rc script.  I've used it to keep up with
>> Go.
>>
>> http://9legacy.org/9legacy/tools/git
>>
>> driusan has written one in Go:
>>
>> https://github.com/driusan/dgit
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:00 AM Steve Simon <st...@quintile.net> wrote:
>>
>>> A few years ago there was some discussion about plan9 git clients.
>>>
>>> Is there any solution for using git from plan9, or do I have to use an
>>> inferior OS?
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>>

Re: [9fans] git

[Jules Merit]

St George
package pxemain
... Wireless brain computer interface
Greek Orthodox
That's my idea, Boston

On Nov 29, 2017 1:27 PM, "Skip Tavakkolian" 
wrote:

> David du Colombier (djc) has a rc script.  I've used it to keep up with
> Go.
>
> http://9legacy.org/9legacy/tools/git
>
> driusan has written one in Go:
>
> https://github.com/driusan/dgit
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:00 AM Steve Simon  wrote:
>
>> A few years ago there was some discussion about plan9 git clients.
>>
>> Is there any solution for using git from plan9, or do I have to use an
>> inferior OS?
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>>

Re: [9fans] questions whose answers are only known by people who abandoned 9fans

[Jules Merit]

Begin Game Romero

On Oct 17, 2017 6:22 PM, "Kurt H Maier"  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:56:12AM +1100, Rob Pike wrote:
> > It went away because it wasn't necessary.
>
> Thanks for the insight.
>
> khm
>
>

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

[Jules Merit]

Gun Control UTF8, sgi 0xfbc bowling for columbine

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Jules Merit
<jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> E4M1 Charles, dm
> E3M8 Dis 9/11
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jules Merit
> <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 0x8000 ... obviously it wastes time when running plan9 as RTL in a
>> HDL simulator.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Anthony Martin <al...@pbrane.org> wrote:
>>> Note that variables in the Mashey shell were single letters
>>> in lower-case. $p was similar to $PATH in the Bourne shell.
>>>
>>> Maybe Tom just split the difference. Have you asked him? :)
>>>
>>>   Anthony
>>>

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

[Jules Merit]

E4M1 Charles, dm
E3M8 Dis 9/11

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jules Merit
<jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 0x8000 ... obviously it wastes time when running plan9 as RTL in a
> HDL simulator.
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Anthony Martin <al...@pbrane.org> wrote:
>> Note that variables in the Mashey shell were single letters
>> in lower-case. $p was similar to $PATH in the Bourne shell.
>>
>> Maybe Tom just split the difference. Have you asked him? :)
>>
>>   Anthony
>>

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

[Jules Merit]

0x8000 ... obviously it wastes time when running plan9 as RTL in a
HDL simulator.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Anthony Martin  wrote:
> Note that variables in the Mashey shell were single letters
> in lower-case. $p was similar to $PATH in the Bourne shell.
>
> Maybe Tom just split the difference. Have you asked him? :)
>
>   Anthony
>

Re: [9fans] Reimplementing Plan 9 in Go (Was: Re: [9front] bio io functions)

[Jules Merit]

May I suggest "pxemain"?
Grow the runtime. 'size /bin/false'

On May 5, 2017 6:28 AM, "Dave MacFarlane"  wrote:

> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:21 AM, Stanley Lieber 
> wrote:
> >
> > Plan 9 has not yet been re-implemented in Go.
> >
> > sl
> >
>
> I started trying to do that at one point, but never got my kernel much
> farther than booting just enough to run "Hello, world!" compiled with
> 6c on a FAT filesystem in ring 0 and then crashing the system before
> deciding I don't have the time to finish it or get it somewhere
> useable. If anyone who has the time is interested in picking it up,
> contact me off-list and I'll send you a link to my (horribly written
> and designed) code.
>
> I'm more of a userspace kinda guy anyways..
>
> - Dave
>
>

Re: [9fans] Pi3 with 2 nics

[Jules Merit]

#cnn #facebook
Sister Myriam Godwin son
Kill -9

On Apr 15, 2017 9:06 AM, "Steve Simon" <st...@quintile.net> wrote:


could you explain this?
what is 9snuf?

-Steve


On 15 Apr 2017, at 00:06, Jules Merit <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com>
wrote:

9snuf faces of death just got updated

On Apr 14, 2017 3:39 PM, "Adriano Verardo" <adr.vera...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I have a pi3 with normal and wifi eth interfaces under the same stack.
> Wifi address is 10.12.12.15/16, the address of the other nic is
> 10.11.12.15/16,
> /net seems to be correct, the connection to the AP is up and running.
> But:
>
> (1) ping wifi 10.12.12.15 doesn't work when the Rj45 is unplugged
> (2) ping wifi 10.12.12.15 works when the Rj45 is plugged
> (3) the arp tables on the net all have a correct 10.12.12.15 entry
> (4) ip/ping -a to 10.11.x.x or 10.12.x.x always displays
>  10.11.12.15 -> ...   and doesn't work when the cable is unplugged.
> (5) with/without cable, "snoopy /net/ether1" (wifi nic) shows
>  icmp packets when pinging.
>
> I'm quite confused.
> Could anyone kindly tell me where is my mistake  ?
>
> Thank you so much
> adriano
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] Pi3 with 2 nics

[Jules Merit]

9snuf faces of death just got updated

On Apr 14, 2017 3:39 PM, "Adriano Verardo"  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I have a pi3 with normal and wifi eth interfaces under the same stack.
> Wifi address is 10.12.12.15/16, the address of the other nic is
> 10.11.12.15/16,
> /net seems to be correct, the connection to the AP is up and running.
> But:
>
> (1) ping wifi 10.12.12.15 doesn't work when the Rj45 is unplugged
> (2) ping wifi 10.12.12.15 works when the Rj45 is plugged
> (3) the arp tables on the net all have a correct 10.12.12.15 entry
> (4) ip/ping -a to 10.11.x.x or 10.12.x.x always displays
>  10.11.12.15 -> ...   and doesn't work when the cable is unplugged.
> (5) with/without cable, "snoopy /net/ether1" (wifi nic) shows
>  icmp packets when pinging.
>
> I'm quite confused.
> Could anyone kindly tell me where is my mistake  ?
>
> Thank you so much
> adriano
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] SHA-1 collision and venti

[Jules Merit]

there is a backdoor when a score of 4, what data produces it i have no idea.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Bakul Shah  wrote:

> https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/02/watershed-
> sha1-collision-just-broke-the-webkit-repository-others-may-follow/
>
> https://shattered.io/static/shattered.pdf
>
> Venti is similarly corruptible, right? Since the checksum is over just the
> content. If you downloaded https://shattered.io/static/shattered-1.pdf
>  and
> https://shattered.io/static/shattered-2.pdf, venti would lose the
> contents of one.
>

Re: [9fans] How to take a portion of a screenshot

[Jules Merit]

Thanks I bought one.
/REMdmr

On Nov 23, 2016 1:59 PM, "Steve Simon" <st...@quintile.net> wrote:

>
> kudos for the use of m4.
>
> sadly my o2s went the way of ebay years ago, nice machines though.
>
> -Steve
>
>
> On 23 Nov 2016, at 21:30, Jules Merit <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I ported doom, after someone Runed plan9. Trying to get 9front Jurassic
> Park on MIPS r12k now.
>
> Also plan9 clearly needs EEG for user defined scheduler and jukebox
> selection whilst in the labs.
>
> On Nov 23, 2016 12:57 PM, "Skip Tavakkolian" <9...@9netics.com> wrote:
>
> > i have a slightly related question: how do i find out an other
> > window's window id if there is no shell temporarily available? e.g.
> > doom is running inside.
>
> maybe 'grep doom /dev/wsys/*/label' ?
>
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 5th Edition

[Jules Merit]

9p @ boot is what I made for bootloader. BIOS, PXE, MBR. Not much of a
kernel is needed as one can flash "the" program for cluster nodes.

On Nov 18, 2016 11:57 AM, "Charlie Lin"  wrote:

My idea: implement a user-space filesystem to expose all EFI variables.
As for the bootloader, any ideas?

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Kurt H Maier  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 07:21:14PM -0500, Charlie Lin wrote:
> > Add one more: EFI support
> > Also, can Plan 9 be booted on Open Firmware? (Used on at least Sun SPARC
> > workstations)
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2016 5:27 PM, "Charlie Lin"  wrote:
> >
> > > Any plans for Plan 9 5th edition?
> > >
> > > My desires:
> > > ISO-compliant C compiler and preprocessor
> > > Port other programming languages (especially Go) to here
> > > Start a source code repository
> > > Port Git, SVN, Mercurial, et cetera to here
> > >
>
>
> These are great ideas, is there some central place you can write these
> down so we don't lose track of our goals
>
>

Re: [9fans] What does your fileserver consist of?

[Jules Merit]

What happens when you loose the auth server?

On Oct 12, 2016 3:41 PM, "Brantley Coile"  wrote:

> :)
>
> You would be a popular with your significant other as I was with my wife
> when I had a PDP-11 in the living room.
>
> > On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:38 PM, James A. Robinson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Ha, looks familiar:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EtherDrive
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EtherDrive#/media/File:
> EtherDriveCluster.JPG
> >
> > Very neat, thank you for the description.   But it's probably a bit
> > more than I can fit into my closet. :-P
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brantley Coile 
> wrote:
> >
> > SouthSuite’s production stack, plus a little.
> >
> > The top box, “wrens”, is a diskless file server, work done by the Great
> Quanstro. It’s Ken’s file server that uses ATA-over-Ethernet for its
> storage. The bottom of the picture are two SRX storage shelves, “300” and
> “200”, that are mirrors of each other. The machine “dmr” is our auth
> server, and “research” is our CPU server. Eric’s 9atom setup is mixed in
> there as well.
> >
> > They will pry IL out of my cold, dead fingers.
> >
> > Obviously this was all constructed, for the most part, out of old Coraid
> SRX junk that was laying around. Dmr was the first equipment purchased for
> SouthSuite proper.
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] 3D graphics as a filesystem

[Jules Merit]

Yeah I prototyped draw3d with 9vx driver to host GPU on Linux system.
MesajGL if 9p file exists it supports mode of that name to transfer to gpu.
It helps if you have DooM handy to try writing it in rc.

On Oct 12, 2016 4:06 PM, "Chris McGee"  wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I am looking at the specs for a GPU and was thinking about something
> analogous to /dev/draw, but for 3D graphics. Kind of like OpenGL except
> exposed as a filesystem so that it is network mountable and programmed in
> any language (even rc).
>
> Does anyone know if this kind of thing has been done before for plan 9?
> Any relevant papers or documents out there?
>
> My first thought involves representing elements in the graphics pipeline
> as files where you can write shader language code. Also a vertex file to
> write or read floating point vertex data. Maybe something more abstract
> would be better with scene graph and camera controls would be better match
> for a filesystem implementation.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>

Re: [9fans] 9P - Meaning of iounit

[Jules Merit]

I agree with Eric*com. Rice rice baby, popo. Don't Tread on my 9p server.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 8:08 AM, James A. Robinson  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 6:54 AM Chris McGee  wrote:
>
>> Lately, I’m looking at the “iounit.” Initially, I had thought of it as a
>> way to give the size of a file on Topen. After some testing I realized that
>> the network subsystem in plan9 is expecting the iounit to be large enough
>> to write commands into a /net/tcp ctl file. With a small iounit, the
>> network subsystem truncates the commands, such as “connect xyz|1234” to
>> match the size of the iounit.
>>
>> So, what is this mysterious iounit? Is there another man page or plan9
>> document that describes it in more detail?
>>
>
> Given that there are comments like this:
>
> /* ample room for Twrite/Rread header (iounit) */
>
> paired with an old message from Mr. Quanstrom below, I suspect the
> value is "as large as your network / disk can manage, but at least as
> large as the protocol overhead".  But that's just a WAG.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: erik quanstrom 
> Date: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM
> Subject: [9fans] simple gofast trick
> To: <9fans@9fans.net>
>
>
> this is a one-liner.  here's a little demo:
>
> chula; sed 's:8192:64*1024:g'  fatcat.c &&
> tmk fatcat.c
> 6c -FVTw fatcat.c
> 6l -o 6.fatcat fatcat.6
> chula; cat /bin/gs>/dev/null;for(i in cat 6.fatcat)time $i /bin/gs
> > /dev/null
> 0.00u 0.01s 0.41rcat /bin/gs
> 0.00u 0.00s 0.23r6.fatcat /bin/gs
>
> the trick is only to increase IOUNIT to 48k in both file server and cpu
> server.
>
> this works since the mtu of the network is 1500 bytes and the Rread
> messages
> are up to 48k + 9p overhead, the network layer has multiple outstanding
> messages and overlapping acks at the network layer much of the time, even
> though the mount driver continues keeping a single outstanding message
> per system call.
>
> - erik
>
>

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

[Jules Merit]

"Whose?" white horse 112 1:19pm ring a bell?

On Oct 1, 2016 1:19 PM, "Marshall Conover"  wrote:

> > I was browsing of my old plan 9 mail and this conversation from 2000
> made me think of your thread here:  https://goo.gl/PO85oD
>
> That conversation was interesting! It seemed Matt was a pretty prescient
> guy. The "supports the latest standards...whose?" bit gave me a chuckle.
>
> There wasn't too much in the way of directed conversation about what
> different implementations of the web could've been, sadly, though there
> were some - more just how feasible it'd be to implement the web as it was
> on plan 9. I'm sure whatever Rob's intern was working has been lost to time.
>
> Thanks for finding it!
>
>

Re: [9fans] upas/send -r

[Jules Merit]

My cable company set my IP to my home address.  All sorts of MITM, spoofing.
eurocorp.us (68.111.201.89) EscondidoCounty 1829
There are 9fans in JadeHelm wargames.
I'm James Jake Niantic, .dk Orphilla.
(6:19)pm confirmed Erich, I ChKe

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Erik Quanstrom 
wrote:

> that's an interesting topic.  I believe the best approach is to reject the
> incoming connection.  the bypass mods are pretty good at rejecting bogus
> sends by just enforcing RFC rules for helo.
>
> - erik
>

Re: [9fans] 9front 5492 1919

[Jules Merit]

That's right Eric, I worked for Artisan bought by ARM, "you work for me
now".
2003 WRX made for me, 227hp 7/4.
And I know you folks know. I'm Bootes, Menkar San Diego. Plan9 is mine.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 3:58 PM,  wrote:

> > #plan9doomport
>
> James?
>
> sl
>
>

Re: [9fans] 9front 5492 1919

[Jules Merit]

Eric Holder for Picture
Who Started: ericHEVbaby
Password:

On Sep 21, 2016 10:26 PM, "Winston Kodogo" <kod...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, at least Jules know's where to put an apostrophe.
> On 22/09/2016, at 5:19 PM, Jules Merit <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> You're spot on, he has to watch messages as they are sent as part of a
> social experiment. #plan9doomport #RobKenDallas #multicast
> 9fan9rear9wuzhappening
>
> On Sep 21, 2016 9:27 PM, "Winston Kodogo" <kod...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jules isn't even as convincing as Mark V Shaney.. At least Choate was a
>> real person and knew a lot about soldering coaxial cables.
>>
>> On 20 September 2016 at 11:56, Jules Merit <jules.merit.eurocorp.us@gmail
>> .com> wrote:
>>
>>> Go away Die NSA release fails to go beyond...
>>> "759M memory: 256M kernel data. 503M user, 1128M swap"
>>>
>>> It got past 9boot, I can get ">"
>>> #Y0 Ricoh 476, #l0 i82557, #l1 wavelanpc, #A0 ac97 detected
>>>
>>> Any extra plan9.ini statements to try to get more verbose messages?
>>>
>>> I know this worked on plan9 since I wrote a driver for the wacom tablet
>>> earlier, perhaps it lost the CDROM drive after bios->kernel. before it was
>>> PXE.
>>>
>>> This system has hardware GL documented by intel and I was able to port
>>> MesaGL to plan9.
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [9fans] 9front 5492 1919

[Jules Merit]

You're spot on, he has to watch messages as they are sent as part of a
social experiment. #plan9doomport #RobKenDallas #multicast
9fan9rear9wuzhappening

On Sep 21, 2016 9:27 PM, "Winston Kodogo" <kod...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jules isn't even as convincing as Mark V Shaney.. At least Choate was a
> real person and knew a lot about soldering coaxial cables.
>
> On 20 September 2016 at 11:56, Jules Merit <jules.merit.eurocorp.us@
> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Go away Die NSA release fails to go beyond...
>> "759M memory: 256M kernel data. 503M user, 1128M swap"
>>
>> It got past 9boot, I can get ">"
>> #Y0 Ricoh 476, #l0 i82557, #l1 wavelanpc, #A0 ac97 detected
>>
>> Any extra plan9.ini statements to try to get more verbose messages?
>>
>> I know this worked on plan9 since I wrote a driver for the wacom tablet
>> earlier, perhaps it lost the CDROM drive after bios->kernel. before it was
>> PXE.
>>
>> This system has hardware GL documented by intel and I was able to port
>> MesaGL to plan9.
>>
>
>

Re: [9fans] 9front 5492 1919

[Jules Merit]

Thanks Hurt F.A.K.K.2, SNES Kurt.
"you don't need a fact three".

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Kurt H Maier <k...@sciops.net> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 04:56:39PM -0700, Jules Merit wrote:
> > Go away Die NSA release fails to go beyond...
> > "759M memory: 256M kernel data. 503M user, 1128M swap"
>
> See section 9.5.2 of the 9front FQA:
> http://fqa.9front.org/fqa9.html#9.5.2
>
> Further troubleshooting should probably happen on the 9front list so as
> not to distract 9fans users with onerous email unrelated to their
> interests.
>
> khm
>
>

Re: [9fans] 9front 5492 1919

[Jules Merit]

It was
*bogobananas=
Taken from the undocumented 65c816 processor.


On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Jules Merit <
jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Go away Die NSA release fails to go beyond...
> "759M memory: 256M kernel data. 503M user, 1128M swap"
>
> It got past 9boot, I can get ">"
> #Y0 Ricoh 476, #l0 i82557, #l1 wavelanpc, #A0 ac97 detected
>
> Any extra plan9.ini statements to try to get more verbose messages?
>
> I know this worked on plan9 since I wrote a driver for the wacom tablet
> earlier, perhaps it lost the CDROM drive after bios->kernel. before it was
> PXE.
>
> This system has hardware GL documented by intel and I was able to port
> MesaGL to plan9.
>

[9fans] 9front 5492 1919

[Jules Merit]

Go away Die NSA release fails to go beyond...
"759M memory: 256M kernel data. 503M user, 1128M swap"

It got past 9boot, I can get ">"
#Y0 Ricoh 476, #l0 i82557, #l1 wavelanpc, #A0 ac97 detected

Any extra plan9.ini statements to try to get more verbose messages?

I know this worked on plan9 since I wrote a driver for the wacom tablet
earlier, perhaps it lost the CDROM drive after bios->kernel. before it was
PXE.

This system has hardware GL documented by intel and I was able to port
MesaGL to plan9.

Re: [9fans] httpd - first try

[Jules Merit]

JMerit LaMer Wer c?
What are you doing to me? Are you looking for Merc? I'm a freebooter.

On Sep 18, 2016 4:01 PM,  wrote:

> Well..  i find this a bit weird.  I was using /lib/namespace.httpd
> without any changes whatsoever.  I appended the bind /usr/glenda/web
> /usr/web/ to /lib/namespace.httpd.  Killed (Kill httpd | rc) and restarted
> httpd with
> ip/httpd/httpd and it worked.  But i' m confused anyway since,
> afterwards, i removed the /usr/glenda/web and it works anyway.  I
> removed the bind from the namespace.httpd and it works anyway.
>
> Bottom line: it's working with the /sys/lib/httpd.rewrite and
> /lib/namespace.httpd unaltered (with the same content as installed in the
> raspberry pi img), and by creating the directory
> /usr/web, and the file /usr/web/index.html.  Next stop is installing
> werc! :)
> Thanks for the help.  I' m sure i will bother you soon
> with aditional problems.
>
> João Reis
>
>
>
> > what is in your /lib/namespace.httpd? how do you start httpd?
> >
> >
> >> Hello!  I just re-installed plan9 in a raspberry pi, and this time
> >> around, i´m trying to play with the httpd web server, for creating a
> >> small site.
> >>
> >> I created /usr/web/index.html and tried to run ip/httpd/httpd which
> >> produces the following error page (via browser, and for the intended
> >> ip):
> >>
> >> "
> >> Object not found
> >>
> >> The object /usr/glenda/web/index.html does not exist on this server.
> >> errstr: '/usr/web/usr' does not exist
> >> uri host:
> >> header host: 192.168.1.100
> >> actual host: who cares
> >> "
> >> I also created /usr/glenda/web/index.html but the results are the
> >> same.  I know that the /sys/lib/httpd.rewrite and namespace.httpd are
> >> important files for configuring but i´m not sure how.  I didn´t, i´m
> >> afraid, get less cofused by reading httpd man page, but i´m sure it is
> >> my fault :).
> >>
> >> My objective is the to run the web server for a index.html basic file
> >> on a directory, somewhere in plan9.  Does anyone have any ideas where
> >> the problem might lie?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> João Reis
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] How Plan9 saved the world.

[Jules Merit]

JovoNa? YovoDA, you eat brain walker sky, you eat walnut. Program Java .Nyet

On Sep 17, 2016 7:51 PM, <cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org> wrote:

> Jules Merit <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > James Holmes, San Diego Colorado.
> > Font BOLD enough for lib-ja.
> >
> > HMS Ole, multi-passaway, Olga!
> > Alice Michael
> > U be illin "chicKen" "RobKen" Dallas, PoPo MacDonald KenTucky fried.
> > /JamesColeM.S.Anderson
>
> Is this Navajo-code steganographic e-mail?  Or... perhaps we finally
> uncovered evidence that, in order to understand Plan 9, you really DO
> have to be stoned out of your mind...!
>
>

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

[Jules Merit]

Troff + net, I added ideas from vrml's for AR glasses I use for HUD
documents as I look off monitor still bashing the keyboard. Web proxy for
format translation.

On Sep 17, 2016 10:06 AM, "hiro" <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's hard to have a technical argument about this, because technical
> consideration was never a big driver of web "technologies".
>
> > Web programming would have also have started off with far greater ability
> There is nothing wrong with the web having a limited scope of features.
>
> > Web games, video-streaming applications, etc. on par with local
> applications
> If they are on par, then why waste time with the web part?
>
> > waiting years for even simple things to be standardized
> They never actually did wait. What they implemented instead was always
> horrible, and the incompatible standards created after the fact just
> make it even worse.
>
> > cookies and other privacy issues
> > sandboxed
> security and privacy in the web is hopeless. it plainly was never a real
> goal.
>
> > beneficial to getting them into programming
> popular things tend to drive people. doesn't say anything about the
> technical or even educational qualities though.
>
> > [...] friends in web development, they
> > have expressed concerns about ease-of-use [...]
> In this case they are liars. i know no single web developer who cares
> about ease-of-use.
>
> > system languages did not [...attract] them.
> it's not for everyone to design systems. but they still managed (if i
> am to believe you against their will) to waste their time doing
> redundant system development, reinventing poorly what we already had,
> which they couldn't find enough motivation to learn about.
>
> "the plan 9 way" is often only used in the sense of being consistent.
> This, elegance and cleanness is rarely seen in software, hardly
> evaluated and only often demanded. But some principles are just
> polished unix ideas and many others did exist before.
>
> Plan 9 technically is just one small collection of more consistent
> alternative building blocks, but the web has ignored, reinvented or
> misunderstood most others, too.
>
>

Re: [9fans] IP Multicast - Results

[Jules Merit]

Cirno, ix IV : dr No, Jason born.
IP multi under res, Mira Au
Andromeda's thoughts of Perseus codes my system, and you don't got it.

On Sep 15, 2016 12:44 PM, "Adriano Verardo"  wrote:

>
> Years ago I've successfully used multicast for a project.
> The project has been aborted just after the test of the multicast.
>
> Probably I've that (sparse pieces of) sw ... somewhere.
> I remember that I wrote them with no problems following the Plan9 man.
> I also remember successfully tests of one2many e reply2sender in a net
> of ten boxes.
>
> If it could be useful, I'll willing look for that sw in my
> dead-projects-repository.
>
> adriano
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] IP Multicast - Results

[Jules Merit]

Multi-cast! Alice-code. Mama JDredd.
Belgium pulse badaboom. WhiteHat.

On Sep 14, 2016 9:44 PM, "Alex Musolino"  wrote:

I was playing around with multicast on 9front the other week and
managed to get something working (for some definition of working). I
have attached 2 test programs for sending and receiving multicast
datagrams. Unfortunately, it seems you can't send/receive messages
from the same host. I'm not sure what's missing to get that part
working.

Also, note that the dial in mcastrecv.c is just a hack to get the
local address via getnetconninfo, which doesn't seem to work given the
announce directory.

Hopefully these are of some use. Would be interested to hear how to
fix the mentioned (and unmentioned) shortcomings.

--
Cheers,
Alex Musolino

Re: [9fans] How Plan9 saved the world.

[Jules Merit]

James Holmes, San Diego Colorado.
Font BOLD enough for lib-ja.

HMS Ole, multi-passaway, Olga!
Alice Michael
U be illin "chicKen" "RobKen" Dallas, PoPo MacDonald KenTucky fried.
/JamesColeM.S.Anderson

On Sep 13, 2016 8:40 PM, <cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org> wrote:

Jules Merit <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> writes:

> I installed plan9 on mafia systems.

Sorry, bud.  That font didn't even exist back in 1953.  And the JDs in
your chart are from the North Korean nuclear test that took place just a
few days ago.

I've installed Plan 9 on Endoterrestrial systems, though.  (Those are
the people who live inside the hollow Earth.)  Now, if I could just find
the vac for my photos of them... I know I have them in venti,
somewhere...

[9fans] How Plan9 saved the world.

[Jules Merit]

I installed plan9 on mafia systems.
MeritKilo nuke

Re: [9fans] Why does Plan 9 use “snarf” instead of “copy”?

[Jules Merit]

The EUROcorp fork of plan9 has no snafu. Haven't figured out how to name
things for brown nosers to climb the SocLadder of troglodytes. I tried
inventing spork(), but who would want to read your e-mails.

On Sep 12, 2016 8:00 PM, "Winston Kodogo"  wrote:

> Channeling my inner Quine here. Did you mean:
>
> The operation is not "copy" but "snarf". It's called "snarf" because
> snarf is what it does.
>
> Of course the White Knight would also have asked what the name of the
> operation was called.
>
> But be that as it may, a simple explanation of the difference between
> "snarf" and "copy" would be welcome, especially since under Windows I can
> snarf in Sam and paste into TextPad. Whereas I have to copy in Notepad and
> paste into TextPad.
>
> On 13 September 2016 at 00:27, Rob Pike  wrote:
>
>> The operation is not to copy but to snarf. It's called snarf because
>> snarf is what it does. There is no design document.
>>
>> -rob
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Alexander Kapshuk
>>  wrote:
>> > Both 'Zerox' and 'Snarf' are there:
>> >
>> > /sys/src/cmd/acme/cols.c:34
>> > textinsert(t, 0, L"New Cut Paste Snarf Sort Zerox Delcol ", 38, TRUE);
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Robert Raschke <
>> rtrli...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi Mateusz,
>> >>
>> >> as far as I remember, it was originally called "xerox". But that is
>> >> trademarked. No idea where the word "snarf" comes from.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Robby
>> >>
>> >> On 12 Sep 2016 12:19, "Mateusz Piotrowski"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> I've discovered Plan 9 recently and became curious about some
>> >> design decisions.
>> >>
>> >> Why there is a snarf buffer and not a copy buffer?
>> >>
>> >> As it might seem to be a dull question, it is not. I am very
>> >> interested in the reason behind this decision. I've browsed
>> >> numerous websites (including cat-v.org and the 9fans archives)
>> >> but I wasn't able to find anything about it.
>> >>
>> >> I decided to ask this question [1] on Unix & Linux StackExchange
>> >> but its community doesn't seem to know the answer.
>> >>
>> >> My guess is that "copying" is not as an atomic action.
>> >> "Copying" is in fact:
>> >>
>> >> - obtaining the content you want to copy (_snarfing_)
>> >> - inserting the content where you want it to be (_pasting_)
>> >>
>> >> Hence the use of snarf instead of copy.
>> >>
>> >> Am I right? Is there a document / book / article where
>> >> it is explained?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers!
>> >>
>> >> Mateusz Piotrowski
>> >>
>> >> [1]:
>> >> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/308943/why-does-plan
>> -9-use-snarf-instead-of-copy
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

[Jules Merit]

I keep a NFS mount to parallel dev Linux Solaris Irix including ARM. It
uses m4 as there is no compiler on Sol/Sgi. It was used to create 9p
services and RC on all systems much like macros in assembler.

There isn't much desire to port as most programs should be rethought.
Today's programs are too monolithic and redundant. Break them up like
cat/pipe find overlaps and turn them into modules callable with RC.
--Bootes

On Aug 30, 2016 11:55 AM, "Eduardo Alvarez" <astrochelon...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I mostly lurk around here, as I'm greener than green when it comes to
> plan 9. At some point in time, a friend and I were discussing setting
> up a small-sized computing cluster for small scale distributed
> computations. I was keen on the idea of using inexpensive hardware (we
> even joked about using a truckloads of Raspberry Pis), and plan 9
> seemed like an excellent candidate for the infrastructure. The biggest
> challenge was porting software to Plan 9. Sadly, the idea never took
> off. It would be a fun experiment.
>
> Eduardo Alvarez
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Jules Merit
> <jules.merit.eurocorp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing
> beautiful
> > code that has already been done.
> >
> > Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
> > -- Russ Cox Cable von Shane
> >
> >
> > On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" <skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM).  I'm
> sorry I
> >> missed that meetup.
> >>
> >> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area.
> >> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful
> thinking).
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis
> >> <michaelian.en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian
> >>> <skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in
> >>>> my neighborhood has doubled.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> And for the county it has at least tripled.  I heard at least one other
> >>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week.  :)
> >>>
> >>> Ian
>
>

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

[Jules Merit]

Well let's hope someone does something. Mark-my-words is writing beautiful
code that has already been done.

Push a little button, get .hot .chocolate.
-- Russ Cox Cable von Shane

On Aug 30, 2016 10:03 AM, "Skip Tavakkolian" 
wrote:

> I heard that too (I think the woot was for Go on Plan 9/ARM).  I'm sorry I
> missed that meetup.
>
> I've been thinking about setting up a meetup for 9fans in Seattle area.
> There seems to be renewed interest (or perhaps it's my wishful thinking).
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27 AM michaelian ennis <
> michaelian.en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <
>> skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> as a 9fan, I can say, not dead yet. In fact the population of 9fans in my
>>> neighborhood has doubled.
>>>
>>
>> And for the county it has at least tripled.  I heard at least one other
>> woot for Plan9 at Brad Fitzpatrick's talk last week.  :)
>>
>> Ian
>>
>

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

[Jules Merit]

>From Nero to Zero

Re: [9fans] Is 9Fans dead or alive

[Jules Merit]

Well someone Runed plan9.
UFans

On Aug 23, 2016 11:14 AM, "Brantley Coile"  wrote:

> We haven’t stopped using it, but then again, we don’t talk much on the
> list.
>
> I’ve been using Plan 9 since 1995, before that I only used it at the Labs.
> I’ll be using it when I assume room temperature.
>
> We still run Ken’s file server that Erik modified into a diskless file
> server using our AoE appliances behind it. I develop on Plan 9 exclusively.
> And we use it as a distributed operating system running on about a dozen
> machines.
>
> I suspect that we might the be only ones.
>
>   Brantley
>
> > On Aug 23, 2016, at 2:06 PM, stanley lieber  wrote:
> >
> > Don Bailey  wrote:
> >
> >> Plan 9 shall never die.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 8:21 AM, David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
>  I see from the archive (http://marc.info/?l=9fans) there were no
> >>> messages at
>  all in June, maybe everyone was tired out after the 203 messages in
> >> May?
> >>>
> >>> The 9fans mailing list was down from approximately June 1 to July 25.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> David du Colombier
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > People just stop using it.
> >
> > sl
> >
> >
>
>
>