Re: [9fans] VMware and 9atom
I have VirtualBox 4.2.6_OSE r82870. I assume the OSE is OpenSuSE Edition. I think I can get some help installing an older version(4.1.24) on the OpenSuse forums. Thanks all. Terry. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 14:02:32 PDT Deepak Chawla wrote: > > > > In the past, I've had problems installing 9atom/plan9 on the latest > version > > of VirtualBox, but I could install it on a VM from an older (4.1.24?) rev > > of VirtualBox. I have since updated to the latest VirtualBox and my VMs > > have continued to work. I haven't tried an install on a new VM since I > > updated. > > I can confirm that 4.1.24 works for plan9 and 9atom. Newer > versions are usually not worth upgrading to. And if you want > to, it is a good idea to keep the last working version (and > its installable distribution image + extension pack) around. > >
Re: [9fans] VMware and 9atom
I read in the plan9 google groups archive that plan9-20120703.iso was known to work with vbox... I thought at the time I had the right version of vbox, but the minor version number may have been different. I also wasn't aware that qemu could work with out the support from the proc. Is that version dependent also, or only on a Microsquish OS version of qemu? Cheers, Terry. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 3:13 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > 9front works in virtualbox. > > i don't think it's that simple. 9atom runs in at least one install of > vbox, but i have also seen it fail. the reports on the list have been that > it takes a little magic, and the right vbox version. > > - erik
Re: [9fans] VMware and 9atom
I've never been able to get plan9, 9atom, or 9front to install under virtualbox. I've had to install plan9 on a dual-boot machine, which sucks. I can't use qemu or the linux kvm with my proc, it doesn't do virtualization. I'd really like to get one of the above to work with virtualbox. Just my two cent's. Cheers, Terry. On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Jens Staal wrote: > On Sunday 06 October 2013 17:10:47 Jacob Todd wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Nielsen > wrote: > > > Sadly, no. That would have been my first choice, if it were an option. > > > I know ahci works great in 9atom. I'll give virtualbox a whirl. > > > > You would probably be better off using qemu than virtualbox. > > Last when I installed 9atom I had to do it in virtualbox and then convert > that > image for qemu. The 9atom iso failed during boot (after selecting > boot/install > option). > > -- Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. Douglas Adams, "Last Chance to See"
[9fans] Newbie questions
After installing plan9 I managed to delete the plan9.ini file. I also made a mistake while installing, I chose to let plan9 have all the free space remaining - about 25Gig. This machine has winxp on the first partition and I'd like to install grub2 as a boot loader to choose between winxp, plan9, and a varying flavor of linux or bsd. Query 1: Will plan9 play nice with grub2? Query 2: Can I "safely" use gparted on the plan9 partition and shrink it down, or will it complain, vomit, and generally refuse to be budged? Query 3: Should I just reinstall plan9, fixing the partition problem and the plan9.ini problem? I'll learn less that way, but then again I can install 9atom instead... Any suggestions would be appreciated. Cheers, Terry.
[9fans] Closed nix development is an insult
Ok, I am "The Official Village Idiot", but I always assumed that if you wanted a piece of software you could write it yourself? Or at least learn how to contribute to writing it? Or maybe find several tools to pipe together and script a little and maybe get what you needed done done? Of course it's much more fun to throw a worm out there and see who will try to bite? Still laughing! Cheers, Terry.
Re: [9fans] How useful is a scroll wheel?
My vote would be for the scroll wheel. I don't like to reach for the mouse if I don't have to, but when you're already using the mouse the scroll wheel is extremely handy. Also, just because the mouse has a scroll wheel it doesn't mean you have to use it. And of course the wheel doubles as a middle button, so no loss of functionality. Just my two cents. Terry. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Caleb Malchik wrote: > I'm considering buying a Logitech M-S35 to help me learn sam/acme. My only > worry is that I'll wish I had a scroll wheel. It seems that clicking the > scroll bar whenever I want to scroll would take some focus, and I shouldn't > have to shift my focus to accomplish something as basic as scrolling. Is > there a consensus that scroll wheels make life easier? Does anyone choose no > scroll wheel out of preference rather than availability? > > Caleb >
[9fans] Install Advice Requested.
tlaronde - Thank you for the abstract you sent. It sent me to the manual pages, which is almost always a good thing. In the prep(8) online manual page, I found the following listed as a bug: "If prep –p doesn't find a Plan 9 partition table, it will emit commands to delete all extant partitions. Similarly, fdisk –p will delete all partitions, including data, if there are no partitions defined in the MBR." Could this be what has been whacking my extended partitions? Anyway, I'm going to do a lot more reading before a third attempt at installing. I want to make sure everything is ready before jumping in again. Thanks, Terry.
Re: [9fans] Install Advice requested
I'm a glutton for pain. First, it wasn't the plan9.iso, but the 9athom.iso. I think the original problem occured by exiting(Ctrl+Alt+Del) before the install was done. I guess I should have used Ctrl-d to stop the process I was in. Anyway, after exiting the install program and rebooting I discovered that 3 of my partitions got whacked. I used a live knoppix disc to boot up, get online and get a tool to repair the borked partitions(testdisk). Well, that worked well. Next, used my openSuS rescue dvd to reinstall grub2, and got everything back up. I copied the plan9.iso over to the plan9 partition, and even copied all the files and directories as well. Remember though, I actually was installing from the 9atom.iso... genius. I finally figured out how to setup grub2 for plan 9. Then I kept getting the same error over and over trying to boot into that partition: "error: invalid signature". Went into fdisk and toggled the partition TYPE flag to 0x39, done. At this point, I could boot from grub2 into plan9, but of course the install wasn't complete. This is where the pain begins again. Insert 9atom.iso. Reboot. The install picked up where it left off. Got all the to [copydist]. It was in the middle of this that it ran out of room! Oh yeah, that copy of plan9.iso sitting there and it was only a 1.1GB partition. Control-D my way out, go back into openSuSE and try to go into the plan9 partition to delete the iso file - nope, that wasn't gonna happen, there were only 3 or 4 files there??? I guess the rest of the filesystem couldn't be seen... ok, no problem. Delete the partition, double the size to 2.2GB. Reboot using the 9atom.iso, and start the install. Now, for some reason, 9atom doesn't like the partition? Do I control-d my way out I ask? Of course not - control-alt-delete. Reboot. Grub can't find a bootable partition... Yep, whacked my system again. The real strange thing is its all the linux partitions on the extend partition? Very strange. So here I am again in knoppix, doing it all over again. But I must admit, I learn a lot via these sessions of self-abuse. 8^0 It would be nice if it wouldn't do that by exiting the install in a way it doesn't like. Maybe it could intercept that trio of keys(control-alt-del) and produce the control-d itself?? Ok, wish me luck, I'm going in. Terry.
[9fans] Install Advice requested
I created a partition and started the plan9 install using plan9.iso. It was an incomplete install, and I had some other problems from which I've recovered. 8^) I created a directory on the plan9 partition named iso, then copied plan9.iso to that dir. Can anyone provide some guidance regarding completing the install without allowing plan9 to mark its partition as the boot partition? Once the install is complete, if I need to reinstall grub2 I know how now. What do I tell grub2 to point to on the plan9 partition to add it to my grub2 menu? And can anyone recommend any boot options I may need to set? Thank you in advance, Terry.
Re: [9fans] plan9 iso image cont.
yeah... pressed enter pressed lots of keys... 9front will have to wait for now, but thanks for the advice. Terry. On 6/28/13, s...@9front.org wrote: >> 9front.iso - never gave me an option to run from cd or install, it >> just started launching itself. >> Several screens of info and it stop on this line: >> bootargs is (tcp, il, local!device)[local!dev/sdD0/data] _ >>> Press enter. > > -sl > >
Re: [9fans] plan9 iso image cont.
When I tried booting 9front, it didn't give me any options until it got to the bootargs line, where it froze. I'll get back to 9front later. I am interested, but my system is completly borked right now. When I had tried the vanilla plan9.iso, I was trying the "boot from cd" option, and it was freezing right away. So... I figured I had two primary partitions unused, one of which I planned to install plan9 to anyway, why not see if the "install to hard drive" option would work? My everyday system is openSuSE 12.3 as such: /dev/sda1 - fat16 - A fat partition containing Dell stuff. /dev/sda2 - ext2 - Set aside for plan9. /dev/sda3 - ext2 - Empty. /dev/sda4 - The extended part. /dev/sda5 - linux-swap /dev/sda6 - ext3 - An old, unused distro, has a lot of backup files I need to save. /dev/sda7 - (was ext4) - '/' my system partition. /dev/sda8 - (was ext4) - '/home' /dev/sda9 - (was ext3) - '/music' - - - - - - - 89.35 GiB unallocated You'll note the three partitions that say "was ext4" or "ext3"!! Also, I was using grub2 as the boot loader. You'll note again the use of "was". Prior to openSuSE 12.3, I'd never used grub2. I can swear there is a way to use grub2 to install a new system. Grub2 was not installed to the mbr, but actually on the extended part. Maybe it actually uses the mbr to point to it's location on the extended part, I'm not sure. Also, the / and /home parts were/are ext4. I figured, "what the heck" I'll try the install of plan9, and if it whacks grub2, so be it. I'll reinstall grub2, and all will be good. The install to hard drive option seemed to work great. Until I got to the "mountdist" portion. It didn't seem to want to use /dev/sdD0/data. I figured I'd point it at the plan9.iso image on /dev/sda8/ partition. Due to the unfamiliar naming scheme, I wasn't positive which partition I wanted, so I tried LINUX4, LINUX5, and LINUX6. The install program told me they were all empty. No problem, I thought, I'll go back to openSuSE and move a copy of plan9.iso to /dev/sda3 and while I'm at it copy the contents out of the iso image to /dev/sda3 as well. Reboot. No bootable partitions... uh oh. Ok, no problem, I'll reinstall grub2. Two hours go by. Can't figure out how to reinstall grub2. Alright, guess I'll have to reinstall openSuSE. Oh no! The DVD is slightly damaged, the so called rescue portion boots, but there are about 50 errors trying to install... give up for the night. This is great stuff, right? lol. This morning I break out my trusty knoppix 5.3.1 dvd. Boot up. Connect to the net, and here I am. Too bad knoppix 5.3.1 does not speak ext4. Darn. So, my mission for today(or this weekend) is to recover the three whacked partitions, recover grub2, then figure out the best way to complete the plan9 install and get grub2 to play nice with plan9. Also, I'd planned to add a cd drive to this mach, but I had forgotten that it's sata and all the cd or dvd drives I have are ata. Curses! Foiled again!! Terry. On 6/28/13, Paul A. Patience wrote: > did you enable *acpi= when booting 9front? > see the section Boot at [1]. > > pap > > [1] http://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/troubleshooting > >
[9fans] plan9 iso image cont.
> Anyway, next steps? > I would recommend either a virtual machine like Bakul says or, if possible > change the CD drive. You could try also booting from USB, I don't know > if there are any usb images laying around... I'm starting to think maybe the dvd drive is buggy. I'll probably swap the cd and dvd. If that doesn't help, I'll try the grub install. Thanks again 9fans, Terry.
Re: [9fans] plan9 iso image cont.
I'm using GRUB2, and I have an empty primary partition. I'm thinking about using grub to install it. It's worth a shot! Thanks, Terry. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:26:51 CDT Terry Wendt > wrote: >> K3b actually said 721.7 GB. As in Gigabytes. > > It really has no business looking into a .iso when all it is > doing is copying it to a CD. On FreeBSD I can just do > > burncd -f /dev/acd0 data plan9.iso fixate > >> ehci 0xe0001000: port3 didn't reset within 500ms; status 0x1101 >> ehci 0xe0001000: port4 didn't reset within 500ms; status 0x1101 >> usb/kb... usb/kb... root is from(il, tcp, local)[local!#S/sdD0/data]: >> cpu0: spurious interupt 39, last 11 > > I am guessing either some acpi related setting or a bad CD drive. > I have not been lucky with CD drives. Especially on old laptops. > > One thing you can try to isolate the problem is to bring up > plan9 from the cd in a virtual machine (qemu or virtual box or > something). >
Re: [9fans] plan9 iso image cont.
I did that, nothing. I thought I might need to enter something, so I browsed the plan9 install instructions, then tried to enter something but no characters echoed. Terry. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Matthew Veety wrote: > >> Anyway, next steps? >> Terry. >> > > Hit enter at the 9front bootargs prompt. > >
[9fans] plan9 iso image cont.
K3b actually said 721.7 GB. As in Gigabytes. So, I've downloaded, burned, and tried to install the following iso images: 9front-2688.28a9914426a3.iso (I used Brasero to burn the cd, no size complaints) +9atom.iso 9atom.iso 9atom.nboot.iso plan9.iso None actually booted, but some got farther then others. Results: plan9.iso - "PBSR...EI" < as far as it got and froze 9atom.nboot.iso - circular reboot +9atom.iso - circular reboot 9atom.iso - booted from cd, got to choose option 2(boot from cd), these are the last few lines: ehci 0xe0001000: port3 didn't reset within 500ms; status 0x1101 ehci 0xe0001000: port4 didn't reset within 500ms; status 0x1101 usb/kb... usb/kb... root is from(il, tcp, local)[local!#S/sdD0/data]: cpu0: spurious interupt 39, last 11 I hit enter after about 3 minutes of no action... kfs...version...time... init: starting /bin/rc Nothing else ever happened, even after lots of key-presses. 9front.iso - never gave me an option to run from cd or install, it just started launching itself. Several screens of info and it stop on this line: bootargs is (tcp, il, local!device)[local!dev/sdD0/data] _
Re: [9fans] Tried 9atom.nboot.iso.bz2
I did, just wanted to make sure... I'm also writing the discs using DAO. Correct? I'm more or less following the same procedure I would for a linux distro. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:48 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Foolish newbie question: I am supposed to unzip the image before >> burning it, right? Just making sure I'm not doing something and not >> letting you know. I sure that's the procedure, just being thorough. > > bunzip the image before burning. :-) > > - erik >
Re: [9fans] plan9 iso image
If its any help, when I select 9atom.nboot.iso within K3b to burn to
disc, it reports the filesize as 360.9 MB but the declared volume size
as 721.7 GB.
Interesting.
Terry.
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:19 PM, erik quanstrom
> wrote:
>>
>> > Wouldn't surprise me, but it seems to work for me. If anyone has a
>> > more detailed explanation of what is wrong where, I'll take a look at
>> > it.
>>
>> we're now writing the nwa to disk. this calculation appears to be
>> incorrect.
>> here's the check in cdfs:
>>
>> /* reconcile differing nwas */
>> if (aux->mmcnwa != nwa) {
>> fprint(2, "%s: nwa from drive %,ld != computed nwa
>> %,ld\n",
>> argv0, aux->mmcnwa, nwa);
>> fprint(2, "\tbe careful! assuming computed nwa\n");
>> /* the invisible track may still start at the old nwa. */
>> // aux->mmcnwa = nwa;
>> }
>>
>
> Maybe I am not understanding. We were talking about mkisofs which generates
> an iso file.
> This is cdfs check for the first writable block of the track, which has to
> do with burning it.
> An iso is burnt inside a track and is mostly independent from the details of
> what tracks exist.
> Terry downloaded the iso, and tried to burn it in linux. If something is
> wrong it would be
> in the iso file generated, which does not have to do anything with cdfs.
> G.
>
>
[9fans] Tried 9atom.nboot.iso.bz2
This was a fail to boot. It actually gets to: Booting from CD: ... then reboots the pc goes through BIOS screen Booting from CD: ... over and over. Next I'll try the 9atom.iso.bz2 Foolish newbie question: I am supposed to unzip the image before burning it, right? Just making sure I'm not doing something and not letting you know. I sure that's the procedure, just being thorough. Thanks, Terry. pap: If you can give me a link to get 9front, I'll try that to. Thanks.
Re: [9fans] plan9 iso image
The file has an actual size on the file system, but the files header tells the burning app that it has a different size. This is my guess only... Terry. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Gorka Guardiola wrote: > On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Terry Wendt wrote: > >> I've downloaded the plan9.iso image twice from >> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/download.html >> >> Once about two weeks ago, once today. Both times I extracted the >> plan9.iso.bz2 file to plan9.iso. Both times I burned the image to a >> cd, and both times the program(k3b) told me the image wasn't the same >> size as the header suggests?? > > I'm confused. Why is the burning software looking inside the iso? >
Re: [9fans] plan9 iso image
Thank you for your response erik. The machine I'm trying to boot this on is an "old" dell inspiron 530. Processor - Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2140 @ 1.60 GHz Ram - 1 GB I just thought of something... The HD is on the primary cable, and a DVD and CD are on the secondary. The DVD drive is the device setup as a boot device in the BIOS. Anything? Not really, right? Can I use any of the 9atom images on this PC? Are they only for install, or can I use them as live CDs? I'm downloading: http://ftp.9atom.org/other/9atom.iso.bz2 http://ftp.9atom.org/other/9atom.nboot.iso.bz2 http://ftp.9atom.org/other/+9atom.nboot.iso.bz2 You included 2 links to that last one. I'll try burning one of each of these and let you know how the process goes. I might not get back to you until later... but I will get back. If you meant to include a forth link, resend and I'll grab a copy of that and do the same. Thanks, Terry.
[9fans] plan9 iso image
I've downloaded the plan9.iso image twice from http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/download.html Once about two weeks ago, once today. Both times I extracted the plan9.iso.bz2 file to plan9.iso. Both times I burned the image to a cd, and both times the program(k3b) told me the image wasn't the same size as the header suggests?? Upon trying to boot off the cd I get this: boot from cd : PBSR...EI _ <- blinking cursor I've waited, nothing else happens I hit enter, and my machine reboots back to the above "boot from cd : " message. Any ideas? Different download site? Any advice? Thanks in advance, Terry.
