Re: [9fans] mice

[Kyle Farwell via 9fans]

On 2020-11-27 6:41 p.m., Steve Simon wrote:
i tried a countour mouse but didn't get on with it. i bought a cheap 
Chinese copy - 3 real buttons on top and a wheel on the side.


i cannot find the exact link, this is the same mouse but i have the 
wired version - never needs recharged.


i really like it, it fits my had well and i can use sam, and scroll 
windows (with the 9front changes).


https://www.aliexpress.com/i/404785639.html 


-Steve


I have the same mouse, wired version. I've used a couple different 
3-button mice and this is my favourite.


It's a 灵智银狐 (Lingzhi Silver Fox) brand MODEL M-S3C. Here is the 
official website:


http://www.hao1885.com/products.asp

They have some other models with the wheel on top or without any wheel.

I bought mine on eBay but the listing is gone. There are some other 
sites selling it if you search around.


Mine stops working once in a while but it's fixed by unplugging it and 
plugging it back in. This behaviour is OS-independent.


Kyle

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Re: [9fans] Solicited VirtualBox submission (negative)

[Kyle Laracey]

On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:04:03 AM UTC-4, Steffen "Daode" Nurpmeso wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> VirtualBox 4.2.6 on Mac OS X does *not* work with
> 
>   plan9.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data \
> 
>   'PLAN 9 - DEC 8 2012 04:00  '
> 
> 
> 
> Memory ranges: 128 - 1024 MB.
> 
> Chipset: PII3X with/out I/O APIC; ICH9.
> 
> With/out PAE/NX.  With/out hw-virt-acceleration.
> 
> Video memory: 8 - 128 MB with/out 3D acceleration.
> 
> Storage controller: PIIX[34], ICH6; with/out host cache.
> 
> 
> 
> It always enters an endless loop after the 'Plan 9' message
> 
> appears.
> 
> 
> 
> --steffen

I can confirm. On 4.2.8, it hangs after the 'Plan 9' message.

Re: [9fans] 9atom vs 9front

[Kyle Laracey]

On Monday, March 11, 2013 4:36:38 PM UTC-4, Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:50:07 BST David du Colombier wrote:
> 
> > > > I've been trying for about two days to get the stock Plan9 from Bell
> 
> > > > Labs to install with Networking under Virtual Box
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > Bell Labs Plan 9 and networking works well in virtualbox 3.1.8 using
> 
> > > Am79C973 virtual ethernet adapter in bridged mode, chipset PIIX3
> 
> > > selected and "Enable IO APIC" turned off.  (Maybe not the only usable
> 
> > > settings but these work for me.)
> 
> > > 
> 
> > > Some newer versions of virtualbox have been reported as problematic.
> 
> > > You can search for "virtualbox old builds" on the web.
> 
> > 
> 
> > I agree with Richard and I can confirm Plan 9 works
> 
> > fine in VirtualBox 4.1.24 (2012-12-19).
> 
> > 
> 
> > It can be downloaded here:
> 
> > 
> 
> > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.1.24/
> 
> 
> 
> I too am using Bell Labs Plan9 but on 4.1.22.
> 
> Settings that work for me:
> 
>   system: chipset PIIX3, enable IO APIC, enable PAE/NX, Enable VT-x/AMD-V, 
> 
>  enable nested paging
> 
>   Storage: IDE controller, PIIX4, use host io-cache, cd-rom secondary master
> 
>   Network: bridged adapter, Intel Pro/1000 MT Server
> 
>   Ports: Enable USB controller, Enable USB2.0 controller
> 
> 
> 
> IIRC you need to install matching virtual box extension pack
> 
> for USB to work.
> 
> 
> 
> Note: if your host uses wifi but no ethernet, bridged
> 
> adapter won't work.

Oh so if my laptop (host) uses Wifi for internet, then I cannot get networking 
to work in Plan9 under VirtualBox? I have gotten it installed, and snoopy shows 
packets arriving (many arps), but ip/ipconfig timeouts with "ipconfig: no 
success with dhcp". Is there any way to use wifi or no?

Re: [9fans] 9atom vs 9front

[Kyle Laracey]

On Monday, March 11, 2013 4:56:16 PM UTC-4, Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:47:45 EDT Matthew Veety  wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Mar 11, 2013, at 16:36, Bakul Shah  wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > > Note: if your host uses wifi but no ethernet, bridged
> 
> > > adapter won't work.
> 
> > 
> 
> > That's card dependent. It needs to support promisc mode AFAIK. Not all cards
> 
> >  support it.
> 
> 
> 
> Just discovered that at least on the MBP you can get bridged
> 
> mode to work by using en1: Wi-Fi (AirPort).

Really? I have the same setup as you mentioned, with Bridged Adapter, en1: Wifi 
(AirPort), and Promiscuous Mode set to {Deny, Allow VMs, Allow All}, but for 
each of those three options for Promsicuous mode, ip/ipconfig still times out 
with "ipconfig: no success with dhcp".

Re: [9fans] 9atom vs 9front

[Kyle Laracey]

On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:36:25 PM UTC-4, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > Neither have a very extensive description on their homepages.
> 
> 
> 
> hmm.  what kind of description are you expecting?
> 
> 
> 
> - erik

Sorry. I guess 9atom does explain that it adds specific hardware functionality 
and software, but 9front on the other hand just explains that it is a fork of 
Plan9. Any other differences?

Re: [9fans] 9atom vs 9front

[Kyle Laracey]

On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 4:53:04 PM UTC-4, a...@9srv.net wrote:
> // It would be tres cool if this information was getting
> 
> // mirrored in the Wiki.
> 
> 
> 
> I've been copying over some of the more concise and
> 
> complete reports, but yes: people with working setups
> 
> should add their experiences there.
> 
> 
> 
> For those who have not used the wiki, editing existing
> 
> pages is pretty easy. In Acme acme on Plan 9¹, run
> 
>   Local 9fs wiki
> 
> which will connect to the wiki and mount it at /mnt/wiki
> 
> within a running acme. Next, run
> 
>   Wiki
> 
> to launch the client, which will read the files in there
> 
> and give you a much nicer interface. On the main page
> 
> there, you can right-click on
> 
>   [Wiki index]
> 
> to get a list of all the pages on the wiki. Type in your
> 
> changes and execute "Put" in the tag when done.
> 
> 
> 
> For details, see the pages "Acme wiki instructions" and
> 
> "Wiki syntax"². Note in particular that the syntax is like a
> 
> *very* minimalistic version of the sort of markdown
> 
> used on many other wikis.
> 
> 
> 
> Anthony
> 
> 
> 
> ¹ I'm told this is doable somehow on p9p, but I don't
> 
> how and can't confirm that.
> 
> 
> 
> ² It'd be neat if someone would work out how to get the
> 
> plumber to handle /mnt/wiki paths (or some conventional
> 
> mapping thereof) so we could pass them around as
> 
> pseudo-hotlinks.

I would love to help, as I have a good install, but I have no networking.

Re: [9fans] 9atom vs 9front

[Kyle Laracey]

On Monday, March 11, 2013 4:47:45 PM UTC-4, Matthew Veety wrote:
> On Mar 11, 2013, at 16:36, Bakul Shah wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Note: if your host uses wifi but no ethernet, bridged
> 
> > adapter won't work.
> 
> 
> 
> That's card dependent. It needs to support promisc mode AFAIK. Not all cards 
> support it.

I think if I remember correctly I have gotten Linux to work under VirtualBox, 
without promiscuous mode -- I don't think that the network card in Mac's is 
capable of promiscuous mode.

[9fans] 9atom vs 9front

[Kyle Laracey]

Hello

I've had difficulty installing the vanilla Plan9 from Bell Labs in
VirtualBox / QEMU, and now I am going to try one of the forks, 9atom
or 9Front, which both seem to have more hardware support / software.

However, the descriptions on their homepages are brief; could
someone please point out some of the differences between them /
strengths and weaknesses?

Thanks!  Kyle

[9fans] 9atom vs 9front

[Kyle Laracey]

Hello

I've been trying for about two days to get the stock Plan9 from Bell
Labs to install with Networking under Virtual Box / QEMU, and by now
I have just given up. Maybe I will try again later.

I still want to use Plan9 though, and so I was wondering what the
difference between 9atom and 9Front are. They both seem to have more
hardware support, more software, but I can't really understand what
the differences between the two are.

Neither have a very extensive description on their homepages.

Thanks
Kyle

Re: [9fans] Can't "mk CONF=9pcdisk" --> gives error

[Kyle Laracey]

On Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:48:06 PM UTC-4, John Floren wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:21 AM, erik quanstrom 
>  wrote:
> >> But as Federico mentioned, you might not want pcdisk--that's for
> >> running with a kfs root, which isn't officially supported any 
> more. If
> >> you were looking at the 3e guide, that might explain it. These days,
> >> for a terminal, you probably want pcf (pc + fossil).
> >
> > for a terminal, ideally one would be booting off a file server,
> > and have no local storage.
> >
> > but local storage can't be avoided,
> > as i see it, on a standalone terminal, simple, speedy, safe
> > would trump fs features.  so kfs can't just be excluded.
> >
> > your tradeoffs may vary.  :-)
> >
> > - erik
> >
> 
> There's certainly reasons for using kfs, but for a new user I'd
> probably recommend fossil simply because the documentation and most
> 9fans will assume you're using fossil.
> 
> But yeah, *best* option is to netboot a 9pc kernel, it's lovely to
> just hit the power button when you're done working.
> 
> 
> John

Wow so do you guys actually netbook Plan9? Where's the central
server? where you work / university or something? Or do you just
have it set up at your homes? Sounds pretty cool...

Re: [9fans] Can't "mk CONF=9pcdisk" --> gives error

[Kyle Laracey]

On Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:17:47 AM UTC-4, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> 9pcdisk is the output file, not the configuration file. Also you need to 
> quote the = because it is special to rc (assignment).
> Try
>     mk 'CONF=pcdisk'
> 
> 
> On 19 July 2012 10:07,  < href="mailto:kalara...@gmail.com"; 
> target="_blank">kalara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> `mk CONF=9pcdisk`
> 

Oh 9pcdisk is the OUTPUT file! That's odd... I'm following the instructions for 
compiling in this (http://lsub.org/who/nemo/9.pdf)  guide to the plan 9 3ed 
source code, and on pg 24, it says to do exactly that, mk CONF=9pcdisk. I tried 
mk 'CONF=pcdisk' and it works. Thanks.

Re: [9fans] Can't "mk CONF=9pcdisk" --> gives error

[Kyle Laracey]

On Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:16:16 AM UTC-4, Federico Benavento wrote:
> you're using backquotes, why? that would be `{mk CONF=9pcdisk} in rc's
> syntax.
> 
> now to compile that kernel the syntax is:
> % mk 'CONF=pcdisk'
> 
> now are you sure you want a pcdisk? 
> 
> On Jul 19, 2012, at 6:07 AM, kalara...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > I'm in /sys/src/9/pc and I type
> > 
> > `mk CONF=9pcdisk`
> > 
> > and rc gives me the error "rc: #d/0: token '=': syntax 
> error".
> > 
> > Why is this? Just doing mk works fine (I think).
> > 
> > Thanks! Plan9 looks very cool... just finished reading through intro 
> (all of it).
> > 
> 
> ---
> Federico G. Benavento
> benave...@gmail.com

Sorry; I was just using backquotes to quote it here. Literally, I just typed
mk CONF=9pcdisk.

[9fans] New to the list and looking for an old plan9 book/cd

[kyle]

Hi all, Im new to the list. My interest in plan9 is to get it up and
running on some of my NeXT boxes(stations, non-turbo). Things are a
bit confusing for me when it comes to the current distro, but I do see
a howto for an older plan9 release. I also found this post in the
archives:


http://9fans.net/archive/1999/03/28


So, I am looking for that kit(ISBN 003-017143-1), unless that release
is available(freely and legally) online already(then I just need a
link). But I wouldn't mind having the actual book.

Thanks in advance for any help, and I hope I can get plan9 working on
these slabs :)