Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
Make a random commit and call it 4.0? Yes, I think that it jumped the shark as well as all competitors (BSD. win, osx). But unfortunate we don't have any other good production-ready choice at the moment. My hope is that someone is hard working on a new better tech for the next 20 years. But I know that this is pretty much utopia. Some company will introduce an old shit idea, call it 'new', make a lot of money and fuck ours next 20 years of software... []'s i4k Em 24/07/2015 02:10, Prof Brucee prof.bru...@gmail.com escreveu: You are not helping at all. We know that Peter has done *everything*. brucee On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:49 PM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: http://9front.org/img/pjwshark.png -- cinap
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
I sent a message to this list a short while ago suggesting that interested parties contact me about my startup. Sorry if it was too cryptic. Consider the message decrypted. brucee On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Tiago Natel tiago.na...@neoway.com.br wrote: Make a random commit and call it 4.0? Yes, I think that it jumped the shark as well as all competitors (BSD. win, osx). But unfortunate we don't have any other good production-ready choice at the moment. My hope is that someone is hard working on a new better tech for the next 20 years. But I know that this is pretty much utopia. Some company will introduce an old shit idea, call it 'new', make a lot of money and fuck ours next 20 years of software... []'s i4k Em 24/07/2015 02:10, Prof Brucee prof.bru...@gmail.com escreveu: You are not helping at all. We know that Peter has done *everything*. brucee On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:49 PM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: http://9front.org/img/pjwshark.png -- cinap
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
On Thu Jul 23 22:12:56 PDT 2015, prof.bru...@gmail.com wrote: You are not helping at all. We know that Peter has done *everything*. brucee On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:49 PM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: http://9front.org/img/pjwshark.png so it's peter. the most interesting man in the world. - erik
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
On 24 July 2015 at 04:54, Prof Brucee prof.bru...@gmail.com wrote: has Linux with the release of 4.0 finally jumped the shark. Since it's called Hurr Durr I'ma Sheep, I thought I'd ask a celebrity what he thought of it. The response was much as I'd expected: http://goo.gl/ZefDFV Others simply said that it was baaad. I'm amused that as usual, dynamic patching of kernel source, like replacing dynamic libraries, is presented uniformly as a way to fix bugs everywhere quickly, because we all know that bugs always are fixed and never introduced, and being able to capture a kernel without rebooting is never of practical interest.
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
I don't think that anyone on this list really got what you want/-ed. At least I didn't. But maybe I already jumped the shark too. Regards ingo I sent a message to this list a short while ago suggesting that interested parties contact me about my startup. Sorry if it was too cryptic. Consider the message decrypted. brucee On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Tiago Natel tiago.na...@neoway.com.br wrote: Make a random commit and call it 4.0? Yes, I think that it jumped the shark as well as all competitors (BSD. win, osx). But unfortunate we don't have any other good production-ready choice at the moment. My hope is that someone is hard working on a new better tech for the next 20 years. But I know that this is pretty much utopia. Some company will introduce an old shit idea, call it 'new', make a lot of money and fuck ours next 20 years of software... []'s i4k Em 24/07/2015 02:10, Prof Brucee prof.bru...@gmail.com escreveu: You are not helping at all. We know that Peter has done *everything*. brucee On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:49 PM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: http://9front.org/img/pjwshark.png -- cinap
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
Actually not all bugs are fixed, some are introduced as a feature http://intellivisionlives.com/bluesky/games/credits/space.html#hawk On 24 July 2015 at 04:54, Prof Brucee prof.bru...@gmail.com wrote: has Linux with the release of 4.0 finally jumped the shark. Since it's called Hurr Durr I'ma Sheep, I thought I'd ask a celebrity what he thought of it. The response was much as I'd expected: http://goo.gl/ZefDFV Others simply said that it was baaad. I'm amused that as usual, dynamic patching of kernel source, like replacing dynamic libraries, is presented uniformly as a way to fix bugs everywhere quickly, because we all know that bugs always are fixed and never introduced, and being able to capture a kernel without rebooting is never of practical interest.
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
On 24 July 2015 at 20:20, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: But POSIX remembers and indeed insists on minutiae from 40 years ago! If only we could all be more like POSIX. I didn't mean it as a good thing.
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
Quoting Prof Brucee prof.bru...@gmail.com: I just quoted cat-v - shoot me. ONE OF US
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
I just quoted cat-v - shoot me. brucee On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:20 AM, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-07-24 11:52 GMT-07:00 Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 24 July 2015 at 18:08, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: doesn't remember given that this would have been over 40 years ago. But POSIX remembers and indeed insists on minutiae from 40 years ago! If only we could all be more like POSIX.
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
2015-07-24 5:05 GMT-07:00 Prof Brucee prof.bru...@gmail.com: Look what I started. And All That Clever Code ... Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. — Brian W. Kernighan and P. J. Plauger in The Elements of Programming Style. Sigh. The proper text is: Everyone knows that debugging is twice as hard as writing a program in the first place. So if you're as clever as you can be when you write it, how will you ever debug it? This particular text comes from bwk directly. It's possible that he said something similar to the oft-misquoted version in a presentation he was giving around the same time as the book's publication, but there is no source material to verify and bwk doesn't remember given that this would have been over 40 years ago. (Source: I emailed bwk and pjp about this recently.) --dho
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
I would like to ask a very open question: has Linux with the release of 4.0 finally jumped the shark. i had to go look. dynamic core patching... how retro?!!
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
2015-07-24 11:52 GMT-07:00 Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com: On 24 July 2015 at 18:08, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: doesn't remember given that this would have been over 40 years ago. But POSIX remembers and indeed insists on minutiae from 40 years ago! If only we could all be more like POSIX.
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
On 24 July 2015 at 18:08, Devon H. O'Dell devon.od...@gmail.com wrote: doesn't remember given that this would have been over 40 years ago. But POSIX remembers and indeed insists on minutiae from 40 years ago!
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
Look what I started. And All That Clever Code ... Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. — Brian W. Kernighan http://genius.cat-v.org/brian-kernighan/ and P. J. Plauger in *The Elements of Programming Style* http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0070342075?ie=UTF8tag=catv-20linkCode=as2camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=0070342075 . On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Ingo Krabbe ikrabbe@gmail.com wrote: Actually not all bugs are fixed, some are introduced as a feature http://intellivisionlives.com/bluesky/games/credits/space.html#hawk On 24 July 2015 at 04:54, Prof Brucee prof.bru...@gmail.com wrote: has Linux with the release of 4.0 finally jumped the shark. Since it's called Hurr Durr I'ma Sheep, I thought I'd ask a celebrity what he thought of it. The response was much as I'd expected: http://goo.gl/ZefDFV Others simply said that it was baaad. I'm amused that as usual, dynamic patching of kernel source, like replacing dynamic libraries, is presented uniformly as a way to fix bugs everywhere quickly, because we all know that bugs always are fixed and never introduced, and being able to capture a kernel without rebooting is never of practical interest.
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
I started this thread. And all that clever code is being dynamically replaced as we speak. brucee On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Ingo Krabbe ikrabbe@gmail.com wrote: Look what I started. And All That Clever Code ... Maybe I'm dumb but, where should I look at all that clever code and the things you started?
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
Look what I started. And All That Clever Code ... Maybe I'm dumb but, where should I look at all that clever code and the things you started?
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
You are not helping at all. We know that Peter has done *everything*. brucee On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:49 PM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: http://9front.org/img/pjwshark.png -- cinap
Re: [9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
http://9front.org/img/pjwshark.png -- cinap
[9fans] Has Linux jumped the shark?
I realize that it is pretty much required form in this forum to avoid criticizing Linux. (What is the point? Get on with you own hobbies. etc.). I would like to ask a very open question: has Linux with the release of 4.0 finally jumped the shark. My experience has been sticking to wearing an old shoe (aging Ubuntu box in the corner, rarely used and gathering dust). But now I see what *marvels* have been released on the general populace and recognize the double episodes and celebrity appearances. So I raise the question. Thanks for your time, brucee
