[9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development
(though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016412121200043X

I post it here because it's related to Plan 9.





Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Aram Hăvărneanu
 Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development
 (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus.
 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016412121200043X

It asks me for $31.50 to download the paper.

-- 
Aram Hăvărneanu



Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
WoW! I hate them.
It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely…
I'll talk to you off list.

On Mar 2, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote:

 Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development
 (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus.
 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016412121200043X
 
 It asks me for $31.50 to download the paper.
 
 -- 
 Aram Hăvărneanu




Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Charles Forsyth
Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley.

On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote:

 WoW! I hate them.
 It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely…
 I'll talk to you off list.


Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Jeff Sickel
The next time I visit London will include a walking tour of the
place that started all of this mess.  Sadly, I think the price
to join the information club has been increasing.

On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:11 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote:

 Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley.
 
 On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote:
 
 WoW! I hate them.
 It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely…
 I'll talk to you off list.




Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Nicolas Bercher

On 02/03/2012 13:11, Charles Forsyth wrote:

Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley.

On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesterosn...@lsub.org  wrote:


WoW! I hate them.
It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely…
I'll talk to you off list.




Here at CNRS, you are starting to struggle against this crazy system:

 1) we pay to submit papers
 2) we pay to read papers from others
 3) we have to pay more if we want our papers to be freely accessible
 4) we are not paid for peer review

4 times a shame, at least.

Nicolas



Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread John Floren
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Nicolas Bercher nberc...@yahoo.fr wrote:
 On 02/03/2012 13:11, Charles Forsyth wrote:

 Welcome to the world of Elsevier, Springer and Wiley.

 On 2 March 2012 10:29, Francisco J Ballesterosn...@lsub.org  wrote:

 WoW! I hate them.
 It seems my university is subscribed and I could browse it freely…
 I'll talk to you off list.



 Here at CNRS, you are starting to struggle against this crazy system:

  1) we pay to submit papers
  2) we pay to read papers from others
  3) we have to pay more if we want our papers to be freely accessible
  4) we are not paid for peer review

 4 times a shame, at least.

 Nicolas


Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be
able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got
exclusive rights...

John



Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Nemo
I'm trying to clear that out, we'll see.

On Mar 2, 2012, at 5:27 PM, John Floren wrote:
 
 Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be
 able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got
 exclusive rights...
 
 John




Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Jeff Sickel
Tread carefully.

A recent copyright case did not go well for the author of a paper.

On Mar 2, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Nemo wrote:

 I'm trying to clear that out, we'll see.
 
 On Mar 2, 2012, at 5:27 PM, John Floren wrote:
 
 Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be
 able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got
 exclusive rights...
 
 John
 
 
 




Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Nemo
Ok. They said explicitly that I can post pre-prints of the paper at web sites.

http://lsub.org/ls/export/ojss.ps


On Mar 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Nemo wrote:

 I'm trying to clear that out, we'll see.
 
 On Mar 2, 2012, at 5:27 PM, John Floren wrote:
 
 Unless Elsevier is even more evil that I thought, Nemo should still be
 able to post a PDF on lsub.org. Now, if they're really evil, they got
 exclusive rights...
 
 John
 




Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 05:23:26PM +0100, Nicolas Bercher wrote:
 
 Here at CNRS, you are starting to struggle against this crazy system:
 
  1) we pay to submit papers
  2) we pay to read papers from others
  3) we have to pay more if we want our papers to be freely accessible
  4) we are not paid for peer review
 
 4 times a shame, at least.

If only the result of such a system would be papers worth reading...

-- 
Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com
  http://www.kergis.com/
Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89  250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C



Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote:
 Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development
 (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus.

Hey Francisco,

First, I really like the ideas in Octopus. I think it was extremely
well-considered, and worth reviewing as people reconsider where and
how money is allocated in the various cloud-based infrastructure
subsystems, and how much or how little it affects the net effect.

Would you say it's more in maintenance mode or are you already
considering the subsequent cephalopod? :)

-Jack



Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Nemo
I have plans for something related to it in the future, but nix goes before that
and it will still take a long time to get there.
So, for me, it's just the system I use for development (working on nix, mostly).


On Mar 2, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Jack Johnson wrote:

 On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org 
 wrote:
 Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development
 (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus.
 
 Hey Francisco,
 
 First, I really like the ideas in Octopus. I think it was extremely
 well-considered, and worth reviewing as people reconsider where and
 how money is allocated in the various cloud-based infrastructure
 subsystems, and how much or how little it affects the net effect.
 
 Would you say it's more in maintenance mode or are you already
 considering the subsequent cephalopod? :)
 
 -Jack