Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
It seems that 9vx has become a lot more stable than before. The last time I used it to write anything in C was like 8 months ago, and the instability issues I had in mind are dated from back then. So I'll give it another try and perhaps it will become my main plan 9 platform. 2010/3/13 ron minnich : > I build 9vx from source and routinely have it running for days, until > I need an ubongo reboot in fact. Don't know how to figure out what's > different but I do know that gcc/glibc/distros in linux universe are > so variable, literally week to week, that the build environment is > very unstable. That might be an issue with any prebuilt version, or a > version you build yourself -- you really can't win. > > ron > > -- Hugo
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
> > So, are you more interested in 9vx than lguest? Or have I > > misinterpreted what you ment by stuck ;-) > > Just going by performance and portability, 9vx is a way better way to > go than lguest. I have to take a look at it later then. EBo --
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:38 AM, EBo wrote: > So, are you more interested in 9vx than lguest? Or have I misinterpreted what > you ment by stuck ;-) Just going by performance and portability, 9vx is a way better way to go than lguest. ron
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
> Unless there's some compelling reason to use qemu (I can't think of > one) why not just use 9vx exclusively? I've made a transition over the > years: > qemu > xen > kvm > lguest > 9vx > > And am stuck at 9vx ... So, are you more interested in 9vx than lguest? Or have I misinterpreted what you ment by stuck ;-) EBo --
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
I build 9vx from source and routinely have it running for days, until I need an ubongo reboot in fact. Don't know how to figure out what's different but I do know that gcc/glibc/distros in linux universe are so variable, literally week to week, that the build environment is very unstable. That might be an issue with any prebuilt version, or a version you build yourself -- you really can't win. ron
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
2010/3/13, Tim Newsham : > Are you running the latest from sources, or are you using > the prebuilt binary? There are important stability fixes > in the sources that aren't in the binary (unless its been updated > recently). > Prebuilt binary, downloaded on Feb/22/2010. -- Hugo
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
> > gcc's different % rounding > > hmm? i'm sorry. totally wrong. i thought i remembered and i didn't. it was a different problem entirely. i found i had to make loads of changes like the following /sys/src/9/ip/devip.c:47,53 - /mnt/term/home/quanstro/hg2/vx32.old/src/9vx/a/ip/devip.c:47,53 #define TYPE(x) ( ((ulong)(x).path) & Masktype ) #define CONV(x) ( (((ulong)(x).path) >> Shiftconv) & Maskconv ) #define PROTO(x) ( (((ulong)(x).path) >> Shiftproto) & Maskproto ) - #define QID(p, c, y) ( ((p)<<(Shiftproto)) | ((c)<
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
> i find development to go very fast on plan 9. depends how many machines you have. > gcc's different % rounding hmm? russ
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
> believe it or not, I even do that on 9vx. For many things, esp. things > in port, it's good enough for me. In fact I did a "curried pipe" in > 9vx just to try some things out. i find development to go very fast on plan 9. now that /dev/reboot $kern is working for me, i can restart the kernel in less time than it takes the monitor to reset. (0.5s) of course kenc is faster than gcc. the added benefits are that i can debug device drivers and use regular kenc style or gcc's different % rounding and the little differences between 9vx and the regular kernel. i've found it very comfortable for building some rather large systems. - erik
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
9vx crashes on me quite often, and qemu doesn't. That's the only reason I use qemu, otherwise I'd also be stuck with 9vx too :-) Are you running the latest from sources, or are you using the prebuilt binary? There are important stability fixes in the sources that aren't in the binary (unless its been updated recently). Hugo Tim Newsham | www.thenewsh.com/~newsham | thenewsh.blogspot.com
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Gorka Guardiola wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:53 PM, ron minnich wrote: >> Unless there's some compelling reason to use qemu (I can't think of >> one) > > Debugging the kernel. believe it or not, I even do that on 9vx. For many things, esp. things in port, it's good enough for me. In fact I did a "curried pipe" in 9vx just to try some things out. ron
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:53 PM, ron minnich wrote: > Unless there's some compelling reason to use qemu (I can't think of > one) Debugging the kernel. -- - curiosity sKilled the cat
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:02 AM, hugo rivera wrote: > 9vx crashes on me quite often, and qemu doesn't. That's the only > reason I use qemu, otherwise I'd also be stuck with 9vx too :-) GSOC proposal: build tool to make 9vx failures easier and improve the reliability of 9vx ron
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
9vx crashes on me quite often, and qemu doesn't. That's the only reason I use qemu, otherwise I'd also be stuck with 9vx too :-) 2010/3/12 ron minnich : > Unless there's some compelling reason to use qemu (I can't think of > one) why not just use 9vx exclusively? I've made a transition over the > years: > qemu > xen > kvm > lguest > 9vx > > And am stuck at 9vx ... > > ron > > -- Hugo
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
Unless there's some compelling reason to use qemu (I can't think of one) why not just use 9vx exclusively? I've made a transition over the years: qemu xen kvm lguest 9vx And am stuck at 9vx ... ron
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
2010/3/12 hugo rivera : > But the next step I want to take is to run just a terminal with qemu, Since it looks like you have the option, I would not suggest to use a qemu image as your terminal. Instead, make 9vx or drawterm your terminal and you will have access to your host file system for free (and to the clipboard!). I have not used qemu images extensively, but the few times I have, I found much better to use drawterm or cpu into it from 9vx than running rio inside qemu. -- - yiyus || JGL . 4l77.com
Re: [9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
On 12/03/2010 10:53, hugo rivera wrote: Hello, I have a Slackware installation running on my box. On top of it, I often use qemu to run plan9, but it's inconvenient to constantly keep track of the things I do there, like C programs, because many of them are also useful under Slackware (then I compile them under linux with p9p's 9c). So the approach I've taken is to run 9vx and invoke % aux/listen1 -tv tcp!192.168.1.2!12345 /bin/exportfs from there. Then, from plan9 inside qemu, I run % import -A tcp!192.168.1.1!12345 /usr/hugo /n/temp and then bind anything I want inside /n/temp to my namespace in plan9. That way I don't need to keep track of anything I do inside qemu. But the next step I want to take is to run just a terminal with qemu, probably using the plan9 iso image, and have 9vx as my fileserver. Do you know if this is even possible? I'm not sure it is since 9vx is not actually plan9. Can you offer me some hints on how to do it? Saludos a todos, I use u9fs and run it on my Linux / BSD machines using tcpserver (though inetd works too) I run them with -a none :) but it's a private LAN. Auth does work but I don't use it. You can also run u9fs on the end of ssh, e.g. tcpserver localhost 564 ssh remote u9fs -a none see http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/4/u9fs for more details
[9fans] plan9 on qemu and 9vx
Hello, I have a Slackware installation running on my box. On top of it, I often use qemu to run plan9, but it's inconvenient to constantly keep track of the things I do there, like C programs, because many of them are also useful under Slackware (then I compile them under linux with p9p's 9c). So the approach I've taken is to run 9vx and invoke % aux/listen1 -tv tcp!192.168.1.2!12345 /bin/exportfs from there. Then, from plan9 inside qemu, I run % import -A tcp!192.168.1.1!12345 /usr/hugo /n/temp and then bind anything I want inside /n/temp to my namespace in plan9. That way I don't need to keep track of anything I do inside qemu. But the next step I want to take is to run just a terminal with qemu, probably using the plan9 iso image, and have 9vx as my fileserver. Do you know if this is even possible? I'm not sure it is since 9vx is not actually plan9. Can you offer me some hints on how to do it? Saludos a todos, -- Hugo
