Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
On 12/4/20, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > "discipline" is a good keyword. > it's not about the language IMO.\ > [ ... ] I watched Uncle Tom, whoever he may be, dissing practically every language under the sun with very little substance to what he was presenting. Didn't convince me that he really knew what he was talking about. I get the impression he is a promoter of the "agile" development style? I have an idea of where the common paradigms get in the way, but I need to figure a way - Fermat's style - to condense my thinking into a brief description and I don't think I'm up to the task. But I like to hear about other people's experiences and opinions, even if I tend to seek the weaknesses in other people's arguments, rather that to reinforce them. By all means mail me privately if you want a sounding board. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-Me6447e0ac4ca12f24a2a4d0c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
"discipline" is a good keyword. it's not about the language IMO. sure, in some edge-cases sometimes things are 2-3 times harder, but it's rather bad culture and bad conventions that waste my time than the language itself. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-M3b5476963bad1454e16f423d Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
On 12/3/20, Bakul Shah wrote: > > Finally, I very much doubt he would have liked C! > I had an electrical engineering friend, back at university, who used array subscripts in C because he couldn't get his head around pointers. Like me, his migration was from Pascal to C. I would prefer a Modula-2 derived language for code I need to share with others (that's about all code, in my tradition), but Go is a good alternative, although I'm not missing it right now, having decided to punish my colleagues by using their own choice: PHP. I'd like to find a community that discusses the pros and cons of programming notations in an objective fashion, rather than the more common approach to solve some immediate problem with time to market as the only actual target criterion. I guess that is like Science Fiction, it keeps slipping into Fantasy. A revised version of "A Discipline of Programming" could provide a pretty sound foundation for that kind of discussion, in my opinion. Go seems to be taking steroids, at the moment, and I have no preference past it. It's a shame, because a lot of great design was spent on Go. I don't think anything really valuable was rejected, but a lot was included that opened far too many doors, in my opinion, of course. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-Mc2558e37824facff420258c8 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
In his Turing Award lecture "The Humber Programmer" he expresses this sentiment. "the tools we are trying to use and the language or notation we are using to express or record our thoughts, are the major factors determining what we can think or express at all!" You all may enjoy listening to him! https://youtu.be/jDvaEiK__B8?list=PL99C1C9F94FB8FA4B&t=127 The above clip is positioned at "Now for the fifth argument." if you just want to read the relevant paragraph in the transcription below: https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD03xx/EWD340.html Finally, I very much doubt he would have liked C! > On Dec 3, 2020, at 12:50 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: > > ewd498 - should suffice for a search. > cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/index00xx.html seems an interesting place to look. > > And I may have paraphrased Dijkstra more strongly than he would have > intended, but I'm sure he'll forgive me. > > Lucio. > > On 12/3/20, Mart Zirnask wrote: >>> PS: I concur with the late Dijkstra that the programming language(s) >>> you learn shape(s) your ability to construct abstractions in your >>> mind. We're kind of safe for as long as C remains the base language >>> for development. All bets are off when Objective C takes over. >> >> Would you mind posting a link to the manuscript/transcript of the >> essay where he discusses this? >> >> Thanks, >> Mart > > > -- > Lucio De Re > 2 Piet Retief St > Kestell (Eastern Free State) > 9860 South Africa > > Ph.: +27 71 471 3694 > Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-M1128d932a79d53537e8d3e73 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
Quoth Skip Tavakkolian : > Hi, > > FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle > @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community. Please > consider following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics, > please try to include this handle in your announcements. I don't generally twatter, but feel free to tweet about anything I post. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-M09a59cf3c10b7b2124f0b702 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020, at 20:05, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > It is in addition to existing channels, including 9fans list. > > BTW, there are two groups on LinkedIn (both named "Plan 9 from Bell Labs"). > One is managed by John Floren and the other by Sergey, Charles and myself. It > probably has the least traffic. (also, perhaps we should combine them?) > > -Skip Thank you for setting up the Twitter account. I started following it. Concerning LinkedIn as a platform, IMHO, it may be useful for recruitment but as a social medium it's a toxic wasteland of self-promotion and marketing hype (or at least it was when I stopped visiting). I'm sure the Plan 9 groups are still great though. Pouya -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-M2408f5cf6b8f0d78ed1106a3 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
> > > > BTW, there are two groups on LinkedIn (both named "Plan 9 from Bell > Labs"). One is managed by John Floren and the other by Sergey, Charles and > myself. It probably has the least traffic. (also, perhaps we should combine > them?) > The second LinkedIn group I mentioned also includes nemo, djc and ericvh as managers. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-M91a66d7a86a335e858e1cb18 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
It is in addition to existing channels, including 9fans list. BTW, there are two groups on LinkedIn (both named "Plan 9 from Bell Labs"). One is managed by John Floren and the other by Sergey, Charles and myself. It probably has the least traffic. (also, perhaps we should combine them?) -Skip On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:47 AM Kim Shrier wrote: > > On Nov 12, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian < > skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle > @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community. Please > consider following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics, > please try to include this handle in your announcements. > > > > Thanks, > > -Skip > > I hope this does not become the preferred method for news and > announcements. > > I don’t have a twitter account and have no plans to change that. > > Kim > -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-Mc40f3998f2e12b6b22548e2e Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
> On Nov 12, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: > > Hi, > > FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle > @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community. Please consider > following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics, please try to > include this handle in your announcements. > > Thanks, > -Skip I hope this does not become the preferred method for news and announcements. I don’t have a twitter account and have no plans to change that. Kim -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-Me7d620d814f62b463b82153b Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
Hey, I didn't get the initial mail in this thread in my sirjofri.de mailbox. Only in my gmail box... I am on twitter, but not actively at the moment. I'll follow it, but don't expect too much from me. You can retweet my plan9 related posts if you want, maybe this brings some attention after all this time... sirjofri -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-Me7c071974e5f5f2482b6b6ad Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
It's ok, plan9 will get disputed by twitter fact checkers before a twitter presence is established. On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, at 10:55 PM, Don A. Bailey wrote: > You know Trump has email, right? ;-) > > D > > > On Nov 12, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Lucio De Re wrote: > > > > On 11/12/20, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle > >> @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community. Please > >> consider following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics, > >> please try to include this handle in your announcements. > >> > > Is that a good idea? I, for one, have no intention of ever sharing a > > medium with Donald Trump. > > > > Lucio. -- Calvin -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-M74b25051675f47b25aeef1e2 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
You know Trump has email, right? ;-) D > On Nov 12, 2020, at 8:51 PM, Lucio De Re wrote: > > On 11/12/20, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >> Hi, >> >> FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle >> @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community. Please >> consider following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics, >> please try to include this handle in your announcements. >> > Is that a good idea? I, for one, have no intention of ever sharing a > medium with Donald Trump. > > Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-M7785163ebf947b25e3596cd3 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter
On 11/12/20, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Hi, > > FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle > @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community. Please > consider following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics, > please try to include this handle in your announcements. > Is that a good idea? I, for one, have no intention of ever sharing a medium with Donald Trump. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3fd028fcf2eeb24c-M1b6eccfdd6454d3dd503050e Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
