Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
no, skip did most of the work. i just reminded him how neat plan9 is and, as usual, that most of the work is already done for you. brucee On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Skip Tavakkolian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here's a screen capture of an acme session that might be useful to those who are new to acme. i've put the tools (mspy script and tippi.c) that were used to follow the mouse buttons on sources. with brucee's help it went together quickly and he did the hard bit in mspy plumbing. i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft). http://www.rangboom.com/videos/acme_session.wmv
[9fans] video of an acme session
here's a screen capture of an acme session that might be useful to those who are new to acme. i've put the tools (mspy script and tippi.c) that were used to follow the mouse buttons on sources. with brucee's help it went together quickly and he did the hard bit in mspy plumbing. i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft). http://www.rangboom.com/videos/acme_session.wmv
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs, but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track? -GBA i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft). that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice; on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it. (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?) Axel.
Re: [9fans] awk, not utf aware...
There is split and other functions, for example: toupper(aí) gives Aí My guess is that there are many more little (or not) corners where it doesn't work. We can go on and on looking for crevices and hiding the bugs further under the rug so that they are not evident and find everyone completely unaware, leave awk as it is now or really fix the problem. The first approach doesn't work. I am going to take the second till I have time to take the third which means use runes or at least revise all the code so that it is uniformly aware of the existance of non-ascii characters. i don't understand this approach. you propose redoing a fundamental part of awk. yet at the end you won't have solved the bug that's bothering you. ignoring the fact that awk is an ape program and doesn't use runes, the problem with toupper is independent of the internal representation of strings. as far as i can tell, ape doesn't even have towupper and towlower. so if you provide those functions, fixing toupper and tolower could be a 5 minute fix. and you know you won't have broken anything else. /sys/doc/utf.ps is worth a read. it's not to hard to think of situations that depend on character boundaries or operate on non-ascii characters. generally there are few. for example, rc only bothers with character boundaries in matching. perhaps you could build a utf testsuite for awk. make sure to use non-latin1 languages, too. - erik
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft). that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice; on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it. (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?) Axel.
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
Ah, I love how 9fans has become a mac tech support group... Maybe it is time we offocially rename the list to jobsFans or something. uriel On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Geoffrey Avila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs, but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track? -GBA i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft). that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice; on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it. (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?) Axel.
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice; on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it. (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?) maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video.
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs, but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track? if i had a voice like forsyth, there might have been one. besides, we didn't want to wake up tippi.
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
gotta love gmail ads ... Seattle MacSOS Support - SeattleMacSOS.com - Your Personal Mac Lifesaver Apple Certified Helpdesk Specialist give them a call! brucee On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Uriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I love how 9fans has become a mac tech support group... Maybe it is time we offocially rename the list to jobsFans or something. uriel On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Geoffrey Avila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cheated and used XP on Parallels. Usually, Flip4Mac works with .wmvs, but not this time. Is there supposed to be an audio track? -GBA i used the windows media encoder (free download from microsoft). that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice; on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it. (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?) Axel.
Re: [9fans] GSoC 2008
Inferno plugin ? :) Again ... :) 2008/2/26, Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Perhaps this has all been worked out on some super-secret mailing list or IRC channel - but what's the plan of record for GSoC 2008? We've got till the 12th of March to work something out. -eric -- С Уважением Жилкин Сергей
[9fans] GSOC 2008
(reposting as my initial post bounced because it had too many recipients) (Cross-posted into inferno-list, v9fs-developer, plan9-gsoc, and plan9-gsoc-mentors) Okay, from the deafening silence outside of students and project nominations, it sound like we better get cracking. At the very least folks should start thinking up project ideas and people should decide whether or not they will be available to mentor. For folks unaware of GSoC (aka Google Summer of Code), here's the link: http://code.google.com/soc and also a link to last year's Plan 9 GSoC: http://gsoc.cat-v.org/ I started a toplevel wiki page: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/GSoC2008/index.html for people to post interest and ideas -- although I think it would be a good idea to post project ideas in the gsoc mailing list (one message per idea) to make discussion easier -- vetted ideas can then be transfered to the wiki. Its probably also appropriate to start discussing guidelines for project ideas and rules of engagement for how we are going to manage project selection, mentor assignment, and student selections this year as well as discuss volunteers and nominations for project administrators. All of this should probably happen in the plan9-gsoc mailing list (http://groups.google.com/group/plan9-gsoc) to allow folks to opt-in to the noise, so this will be my last cross-post. I'm cc:'ing the inferno list and v9fs-developer list as those projects participated in the Plan 9 GSoC last year (and will likely do so again this year). -eric
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
In case anyone's interested, here's a quick and dirty reencode in h264: http://www.ipgp.jussieu.fr/~lonjaret/acme_session.avi my encoding skills are rusty and it seems mencoder does not deal well with .wmv as input, that's why the size is way bigger than the original :/ but hey, b/w is cheap nowadays... If requested, I'll try to do a better one later. Cheers, Mathieu. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 02:42:04AM -0800, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice; on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it. (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?) maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video. -- GPG key on subkeys.pgp.net: KeyID: | Fingerprint: 683DE5F3 | 4324 5818 39AA 9545 95C6 09AF B0A4 DFEA 683D E5F3 --
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
thanks Mathieu, Skip, Brucee; looking at it now. Axel. In case anyone's interested, here's a quick and dirty reencode in h264: http://www.ipgp.jussieu.fr/~lonjaret/acme_session.avi my encoding skills are rusty and it seems mencoder does not deal well with .wmv as input, that's why the size is way bigger than the original :/ but hey, b/w is cheap nowadays... If requested, I'll try to do a better one later. Cheers, Mathieu. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 02:42:04AM -0800, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice; on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it. (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?) maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video. -- GPG key on subkeys.pgp.net: KeyID:| Fingerprint: 683DE5F3 | 4324 5818 39AA 9545 95C6 09AF B0A4 DFEA 683D E5F3 --
Re: [9fans] plan9 httpd/pegasus on unix?
* John Barham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you just want to serve static content on Unix/FreeBSD, Dan Bernstein's HTTP server in his publicfile package (http://cr.yp.to/publicfile.html) is one option. Considering his reputation for writing secure software it's probably as good a choice as any. Beware: this reputation is limited to secure - installing and maintenance of DJB-packages is really ugly ! (actally, I wouldn't cause this stuff packages, but collections of code fragments). Did you ever try to building qmail ? For some customer, I had to get it built in our automated image builder (which does evrything from scratch wit an sysroot'ed cross-toolchain). Required me to completely rewrite all makefiles. If such things happen in beta versions, okay. But I never would call some package stable as long as it doesn't build cleanly out-of-th-box ;-O BTW: if you're looking for an lightweight httpd for *nix platforms, you might consider lighttpd. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ -
Re: [9fans] troff -man prints poorly
troff -ms bla.ms|lp -dstout| aux/download -H/sys/lib/postscript/font -mfontmat|lp -H -d printername That has the same end result for me as just doing troff -man foo | lp Yes, it would. However, if you spell fontmap right, it should work. Also the -H option is doing anything here -- that directory is already the default. cpu% troff -man /sys/man/1/cat | lp -dstdout | aux/download -mfontmat | wc 8492474 15261 cpu% troff -man /sys/man/1/cat | lp -dstdout | aux/download -mfontmap |wc 43377366 268301 cpu% Russ
Re: [9fans] awk, not utf aware...
There is split and other functions, for example: toupper(aí) gives Aí My guess is that there are many more little (or not) corners where it doesn't work. Yes, and then there is locale: does [a-z] include ij when you run it in Holland (it should)? Does it include á, è, ô in France (it should)? Does it include ø, å in Norway (it should not)? And what happens when you evaluate è o (it depends)? Fixing awk is much harder than anyone things. I had a chat about it with Brian Kernighan and he says he's been thinking about fixing awk for a long time, but that it really is a hard problem. Sape
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
that may or may not have been an unfortunate choice; on a mac with osx 10.5 (leopard) I'm so far unable to view it. (maybe a more experienced mac user can view it?) maybe somebody can transcode it to mp4 or flash video. for mac users: http://www.rangboom.com/videos/acme_session.mov fearing reprisal, the person who created the quicktime version wants to stay anonymous. so, on behalf of myself and the entire mac support team we would like to thank audrey for doing this ☺
Re: [9fans] troff -man prints poorly
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: troff -ms bla.ms|lp -dstout| aux/download -H/sys/lib/postscript/font -mfontmat|lp -H -d printername That has the same end result for me as just doing troff -man foo | lp Yes, it would. However, if you spell fontmap right, it should work. Also the -H option is doing anything here -- that directory is already the default upps. sorry it was a typo :-). The -H is probably because my default directory is broken, I am in an schizophrenic plan B/plan 9/paureas broken namespace/drawterm limbo where you cannot trust any default anymore. -- - curiosity sKilled the cat
Re: [9fans] plan9 httpd/pegasus on unix?
fgb pointed me to TDs web server on IRC the other day, its really aimed at embedded devices but I would trust his code. http://www.iq0.com/duffgram/http.c -Steve
Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions
That would be fun, but you'd have to find Exec 8, right? Well, I suppose, if only because the EXEC subset of the assembler language was so unfamiliar :-) But the head of computing at the University of Cape Town used to be an international expert on Exec 8, so he may still have a copy. Now that you remind me, load function in channel never really meant a thing to me, so I think I'll skip being clever. Oh, as for the drum, at UCT we had frequency fluctuations in the mains, causing the synchronous motors of the drum to speed up and slow down, causing parity errors. Given that the exec code lived on drum, swapping it in under such conditions caused lock ups. Took many months to pin it down to supply problems. ++L
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
I would love to be a student, especially cause this year I really have a lot of time to spend until i will do a winter semester. Why didn't you just use that old list of ideas? I think there was more than one page already, full with ideas from last year. Fuck, it feels like i did my last years application like a few weeks ago. I must have wasted my time in a very stupid way. -- hiro
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM, hiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why didn't you just use that old list of ideas? I think there was more than one page already, full with ideas from last year. Fuck, it feels like i did my last years application like a few weeks ago. I must have wasted my time in a very stupid way. clean start is better. We have a better idea of what will and won't work. But if you had a great idea, just resubmit. And any US citizens on this list can apply to sandia.gov to work for me on Plan 9 this summer in california. foreigners are harder but I am hoping not impossible -- still working on it. ron
Re: [9fans] awk, not utf aware...
None of those issues are specific to AWK, they apply just as well to
sed(1) or any program dealing with regexps. I think the plan9 tools
demonstrate that it is not so hard to find a 'good enough' solution;
and the lunix locale debacle demonstrate that if you want to get it
'right' you will end up with a nightmare.
The problem with awk is that it is not a native plan9 app, and it
simian nature shows in too many places. For example system() and | are
badly broken:
% echo |awk '{print |echo $KSH_VERSION}'
@(#)PD KSH v5.2.14 99/07/13.2
Boyd made a native port of awk that fixed most (all?) of this issues,
it can be found somewhere in his contrib dir but I don't think is
production-ready.
uriel
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Sape Mullender
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is split and other functions,
for example:
toupper(aí)
gives
Aí
My guess is that there are many more little (or not) corners where it
doesn't work.
Yes, and then there is locale: does [a-z] include ij when you run it
in Holland (it should)? Does it include á, è, ô in France (it should)?
Does it include ø, å in Norway (it should not)? And what happens when
you evaluate è o (it depends)?
Fixing awk is much harder than anyone things. I had a chat about it with
Brian Kernighan and he says he's been thinking about fixing awk for a
long time, but that it really is a hard problem.
Sape
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
There's something broken in that video. The mouse doesn't move to the selection on a button 3 operation. -rob
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 And any US citizens on this list can apply to sandia.gov to work for me on Plan 9 this summer in california. Seriously? What's the pay look like? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHxchIyWX0NBMJYAcRAlocAJ9/z7IK5Ts5pAqw7yQ4Yuq8G27cmACfae/q oSODuuyvV5jzCilLUFq1Hbg= =fP5E -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[9fans] GSOC 2008 project
Assembler for Dis in Limbo I could do with one :)
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
There's something broken in that video. The mouse doesn't move to the selection on a button 3 operation. good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night. i'm looking at it now. i fixed the (lack of) redrawing in tippi window after a move or reshape but before any mouse activity.
Re: [9fans] today's quiz
What a coincidence. Just today i participated in a Linux Network Administrator course. I just went there for the heck of it, not to learn anything. I was surprised though, about the amount i did learn. For example I learned about how... * gcc * Kde * Bash * Suse * Gnu in general * Linux in general * Linux Network Administrators all suck ass. One of the biggest highlights was definitely how the mentor tried to compile gcc. I was already flooding the machine with ssh login attempts at this time, because some random PAM feature showed us on the big screen, that he was changing his root password to a word from the directory. He did that to prevent us accessing the machine any more, because we were doing funny stuff with his account after someone got that password yesterday. I was waiting for the directory attack to finish for two hours, but the machine was really slow with that compiler still running. But I got access to the mentor's ftp in an other lame way and changed plans: Shortly afterwards I could see him type su, which executed my script in ~/bin/. He wrote my ssh key to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys with sudo and went on showing us how to configure the nfs server to be secure. Everything got really funny. I made a loop containing killall konsole; sleep 360 and interfered with other kde windows in interesting ways. That is of course annoying if you are trying to compile gcc in a konsole. He sadly started X as root then, forcing me to try that vmsplice exploit. Of course it compiled in a second or so. I played around a little, tested how fit the mentor was with faults in X configs and just before the stupid course ended, I finally froze everything in this worthy condition to prove that shell dos from the other thread was working. Strangely csh, zsh, csh, tcsh, and even bash were all not vulnerable. Only zsh proved itself capable of this great feature. Conclusions: Linux is not designed for Network Administration. This would not have happened with Plan 9 from Bell Labs! Does anyone know other interesting things to try in the rest of the week? Or should I rather use my time there to learn more about plan9 and inferno?*g* -- hiro
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:30 PM, don bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously? What's the pay look like? well it's student pay. It's an intern position. ron
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 1:43 PM, hiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they will rather want a bit more experienced people, won't they? well, you can apply and see. we don't assume students are all 30-years grizzled veterans. ron
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
we don't assume students are all 30-years grizzled veterans. you just turn them into ones ;) seriously though, as a former intern of Ron's I can only recommend it! there's no better way to learn new skills and Ron is a great mentor and a fine master of the programming sword. everybody who fits the criteria should consider applying for the job!
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 12:30 PM, don bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously? What's the pay look like? well it's student pay. It's an intern position. ron The pay is pretty good for me, not that I would complain about a raise or anything. The student pay scales are based on the number of credits you have completed with your school. John
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
we don't assume students are all 30-years grizzled veterans. I'm not grizzled! Sape
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Sape Mullender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we don't assume students are all 30-years grizzled veterans. I'm not grizzled! we were talking about Gorka.
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we were talking about Gorka. I added at least 20 years to his age when I fixed his Mac. ron
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
key word - Fixed On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:24 PM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we were talking about Gorka. I added at least 20 years to his age when I fixed his Mac. ron
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
like a dog? - erik key word - Fixed On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:24 PM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we were talking about Gorka. I added at least 20 years to his age when I fixed his Mac. ron
Re: [9fans] GSOC 2008
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:36 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: like a dog? More like a pine box. ron
Re: [9fans] Soekris 5501s (was kenfs)
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 3:07 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone know what gbe chip they're using in the '62? i couldn't find any documentation on their website. I will try to check tonight or tomorrow. I have one at home all cracked open. ron
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
somehow, i was only able to reproduce the bug if i had some selected
text in the tag bar, and tried to click over it with the 3rd button.
i'm not sure if that's the intended behavior, but it seems that it was
triggered by the expand function in /sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c.
/* if in selection, choose selection */
e-jump = TRUE;
if(q1==q0 t-q1t-q0 t-q0=q0 q0=t-q1){
q0 = t-q0;
q1 = t-q1;
if(t-what == Tag)
e-jump = FALSE;
}
removing the if along with it's body fixes it for me.
regards.
felipe
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Skip Tavakkolian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's something broken in that video. The mouse doesn't move to the
selection on a button 3 operation.
good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night.
i'm looking
at it now.
i fixed the (lack of) redrawing in tippi window after a move or reshape but
before
any mouse activity.
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
just to be clear, i meant the t-what == Tag check.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Felipe Bichued [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
somehow, i was only able to reproduce the bug if i had some selected
text in the tag bar, and tried to click over it with the 3rd button.
i'm not sure if that's the intended behavior, but it seems that it was
triggered by the expand function in /sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c.
/* if in selection, choose selection */
e-jump = TRUE;
if(q1==q0 t-q1t-q0 t-q0=q0 q0=t-q1){
q0 = t-q0;
q1 = t-q1;
if(t-what == Tag)
e-jump = FALSE;
}
removing the if along with it's body fixes it for me.
regards.
felipe
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Skip Tavakkolian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's something broken in that video. The mouse doesn't move to the
selection on a button 3 operation.
good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last
night. i'm looking
at it now.
i fixed the (lack of) redrawing in tippi window after a move or reshape
but before
any mouse activity.
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
There's something broken in that video. The mouse doesn't move to the selection on a button 3 operation. good eye. yes i noticed it and briefly discussed it with brucee last night. i'm looking at it now. this is almost never acme's fault. probably you were using vnc to connect, and your vnc client doesn't support being told by the server to move the mouse cursor. somehow, i was only able to reproduce the bug if i had some selected text in the tag bar, and tried to click over it with the 3rd button. i'm not sure if that's the intended behavior it is. russ
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
just to be clear, i meant the t-what == Tag check. that's not the problem. moveto is getting called (/sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c:149) it also happens if you start rio with mspy. it's deeper.
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
this is almost never acme's fault. that's right. probably you were using vnc to connect, and your vnc client doesn't support being told by the server to move the mouse cursor. i was using drawterm. without tippi in between, it works as expected, but the moveto has no effect with it in the mix. just verified that the same thing happens with term.
Re: [9fans] video of an acme session
that's not the problem. moveto is getting called (/sys/src/cmd/acme/look.c:149) it also happens if you start rio with mspy. it's deeper. all good. this is just another fine example of the XY problem.
[9fans] Fwd: Does sam have browse command
I checked the upe, and also the document of GNU ed. It seems that the `b' command is really a new feature. Then, when such a browse command was not here yet, how conveniently did users browse in page to page manner in ed or sam -d? Thanks. -- Forwarded message -- From: Hongzheng Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:40 AM Subject: Does sam have browse command To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi all, I notice that the ed editor shipped by Plan9 has a browse command b, which can be used to print a page for each invocation. And I think it is a new feature (? I'm not sure in fact). I wonder if sam has also such a convenient command? Well, I know it is not necessary in sam since sam can use mouse language. But it will be useful in non-download mode. Thanks. -- HZ
Re: [9fans] plan9 httpd/pegasus on unix?
Enrico Weigelt wrote: Beware: this reputation is limited to secure - installing and maintenance of DJB-packages is really ugly ! Not in my experience, and I daresay that if you do use his servers (qmail and djbdns in particular) it's easier than rebuilding your systems after the BIND and sendmail exploits du jour. John
Re: [9fans] plan9 httpd/pegasus on unix?
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * John Barham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you just want to serve static content on Unix/FreeBSD, Dan Bernstein's HTTP server in his publicfile package (http://cr.yp.to/publicfile.html) is one option. Considering his reputation for writing secure software it's probably as good a choice as any. Beware: this reputation is limited to secure - installing and maintenance of DJB-packages is really ugly ! (actally, I wouldn't cause this stuff packages, but collections of code fragments). Did you ever try to building qmail ? Yes. On linux and netbsd. With and without various patches. Works perfectly. The only time in 2 years it has ever required ugly maintenance was no fault of qmail's - about 2 weeks ago my ip-range got blacklisted by some spam databases for consisting of dynamic ip assignments, so I had to route outgoing mail through my ISP's mail server. For some customer, I had to get it built in our automated image builder (which does evrything from scratch wit an sysroot'ed cross-toolchain). $ uname -p x86_64 $ echo cc -m32 -O2 -include /usr/include/errno.h conf-cc $ echo cc -m32 conf-ld $ make ... $ objdump -f auto-gid auto-gid: file format elf32-i386 architecture: i386, flags 0x0112: ... Granted, the -include is a bitch and took me awhile to work out. Some TLS[1] related error which I don't have a good understanding of. Marks my first qmail build failure - I blame centOS :P The sysroot requirement is a little harder to meet, but really just requires a mount --bind /tmp/sysroot/var/qmail /var/qmail. Or, if you're running qmail on the host and really can't afford to stop it for a minute or two, a custom setup rule based on hier.c (or use a chroot - oh if only lunix had private namespaces...). [1] /usr/bin/ld: errno: TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS reference in substdio.a(substdo.o) Required me to completely rewrite all makefiles. Just like you had to fork libixp and rewrite all its makefiles? Look, if you have a penchant for reimplementing build systems, go for it. You can rewrite makefiles in every spare second of your time and I don't care. However, your apparent inability to grasp any build system not written by yourself is no excuse to spread FUD about other packages. -sqweek
