Re: [abcusers] Help!
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[abcusers] Help!
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Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software
On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Simon Wascher wrote: > Anselm Lingnau wrote: > > > That's right, but then when you receive an ABC file you need a way to > > figure out (...) We would > > probably need to put in a header saying > > %%fingering concertina > > or some such, and software might have the option of including the > > fingering only if it was desired. (...) > > Why changing the standards for every personal need every time! there are > really good tools within the actual standards to express all those > things. Just to mention the "N:" field where one can include all kinds > of usefull and other info about the tune or the weather at transcribing > time, the "P:" field which if not used in the header for playing order > is just a string of text above a line of music, the "%" character which > excludes text from being recognized by abc-programs so again can be used > to add whatever one wants to write down. > In abc2ps a text or block of text can be added using "%%text" and > "%%begintext" plus "%%endtext". > In fact if one really needs to get all info into the printed music or > just a good looking screen display simpy use abc2ps and (and a .ps > viewer and maybe a .fmt file) or something alike. > If it is just to get the info ino the abc-file use "N:" or "P:" or "W:" > or "w:" or "Guitarchords" or simlpy "%". Or just write it as text, in the file; but then people who use 'easy' gui abc programs won't see them / more stress on the developers to cope with this. But, if "%%fingering concertina" is intended to cause the software to do something ... well, if anything's a 'de facto standard', I'd say it's the use of the "%%" to indicate not-generally-supported extensions. And a jolly good thing it is too. I wonder whether at some time in the future we are going to find ourselves needing to formalise this namespace too, though. > I hope this was not to mercyless, I still look foreward to every usefull > addition to the standards. Hear hear. -- Richard Robinson "The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software
Which of course means that we need a header somewhere to say "This is guitar" (or English concertina, oboe or whatever) or else some people will be trying thoroughly bizarre fingerings and wondering why they don't work! L. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software Laurie Griffiths said - >Muse uses ; to include fingering hints in ABC. >i.e. a3;4 means play the a on the 4th string (probably >at the 12th fret for guitar). Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English concertina and perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe. I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use it for their chosen instrument. Bryan Creer
[abcusers] Search for tune: Shingly Beach
Hello I'm searching for the tune "Shingly Beach", I didn't find it on John's tunefinder. Does anybody know where to find (in abc)? Hartmut To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software
Hello, Anselm Lingnau wrote: > > Bryan Creer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English concertina and > > perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe. > > I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use it for > > their chosen instrument. > That's right, but then when you receive an ABC file you need a way to > figure out (...) We would > probably need to put in a header saying > %%fingering concertina > or some such, and software might have the option of including the > fingering only if it was desired. (...) Why changing the standards for every personal need every time! there are really good tools within the actual standards to express all those things. Just to mention the "N:" field where one can include all kinds of usefull and other info about the tune or the weather at transcribing time, the "P:" field which if not used in the header for playing order is just a string of text above a line of music, the "%" character which excludes text from being recognized by abc-programs so again can be used to add whatever one wants to write down. In abc2ps a text or block of text can be added using "%%text" and "%%begintext" plus "%%endtext". In fact if one really needs to get all info into the printed music or just a good looking screen display simpy use abc2ps and (and a .ps viewer and maybe a .fmt file) or something alike. If it is just to get the info ino the abc-file use "N:" or "P:" or "W:" or "w:" or "Guitarchords" or simlpy "%". I hope this was not to mercyless, I still look foreward to every usefull addition to the standards. Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software
Bryan Creer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English concertina and > perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe. > > I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use it for > their chosen instrument. That's right, but then when you receive an ABC file you need a way to figure out whether the numerals are meant as guitar fingering, concertina cross fingering or breath strength on the Nepalese nose trombone -- preferably before you get yourself in a big knot. We would probably need to put in a header saying %%fingering concertina or some such, and software might have the option of including the fingering only if it was desired. Personally while I can see the merit of providing guitar or concertina fingering in principle, as a pianist I don't have a use for it and it would only clutter up my sheet music. Anselm -- Anselm Lingnau .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] The road to wisdom/Well, it's plain/And simple to express:/Err/And err/And err again/But less/and less/and less. -- Piet Hein To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] band in a abc-box
Atte André Jensen wrote: > > Just noodled around with my old band-in-a-box, and searched the web for some > clones running under Linux, but without luck. Does anybody know if such a > beast is out there??? > > And if not maybe some of the existing abc-tools could be > merges/enhanced/comtrolled to do a similar job - of course one would have to > write the controlling style-code... You mean a Band-in-a-box style ABC application? A fascinating idea. Actually I aired it myself here at abcusers a year or two ago, but despite some positive response, nothing really happened. Maybe because a lot of people didn't really get what it was about? Band-in-a-box is a really cute program that makes a complete ensemble arrangement based on a chord progression, an (optional) tune and a couple of "style" parameters. There already are a couple of ABC based rudimentary arrangement tools out there, but it's definitely an area worth further investigation. How about starting with a simple bass line generator, I mean something that could turn X:1 T:Example M:C L:1/4 K:C "C"CDEF|"C"G2G2|"F"|"C"G4| "G7"|"C"E2E2|"G7"|"C"C4|] into: X:1 T:Example M:C L:1/4 K:C V:1 "C"CDEF|"C"G2G2|"F"|"C"G4| "G7"|"C"E2E2|"G7"|"C"C4|] V:2 C,4|C,4|F,4|C,4| G,4|C,4|G,4|C,4|] Actually, I think some minor modifications of Anselm Lingnau's and Robert Bley-Vroman's chord extractor (found at http://www.musicaviva.com/software/macabc2chord.txt ) would do that simple job, but this is just the start of course. Frank Nordberg To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software
Hello,
I use w: lines to include extra information with the notes and I use the
guitar chord "" signs too ("pos.1" is about the position of the crank
and the numbers represent the fingers of the left hand 4=little
1=index). To use "w:" for the fingering makes sense for my purpose
because normally there is a finger to every note.
examlpe:
X:1
M:none
L:1/4
K:C
"pos.1"ABcd | "pos.1"efga :|
w:4 3 2 1 4 3 2 1
Simon Wascher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Laurie Griffiths said -
>> Muse uses ; to include fingering hints in ABC.
>> i.e. a3;4 means play the a on the 4th string (probably
>> at the 12th fret for guitar).
> Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English concertina and
> perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe.
> I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use it for
> their chosen instrument.
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Re: [abcusers] MIDI cat ?
Phil Taylor wrote: > The P: field doesn't produce a line break in BarFly. You can have a P: > field in the middle of a line (the label goes on the next bar line). Ha, there's something I hate in abc2ps and the likes. In addition to the fact that there's too much space between parts to my taste (gonna have to check out these format file thingies, I presume), the part label is rendered quite like a subtitle (instead of, well, a label above the staff -- a box around it could distinguish between chords and part labels), changing meter type and key sig aren't announced at the end of the previous line. I could scan some tunes I have to support my case, if someone's interested at all... Unfortunately, Phil, I haven't got a Mac, nor time to tweak abc*ps to make it do wat I want... -- bert van vreckem If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait! He does! To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] MIDI cat ?
Gianni Cunich wrote: >The correct way to abuse the P: field, I dare say, is to use it in the body of >a tune followed by blanks... no need to use ! or ;, or anythung else to force >a line break, that's the natural line break character as far as abc native >software are concerned! Why the hell a P: field in the body should cause a >line break I don't know - it isn't stated in the standard, and makes no sense >at all, but i works! And it works even with ABC2WIN 2.1.k (although not with >the 2.1.i version. which should be the last stable one)... considering abc2ps >and all its clone offer an option to ignore line ends, if only ABC2WIN could >stop printing PART:... whenever a P: field appears in the body, we would >actually have solved most of our problems! :-)) The P: field doesn't produce a line break in BarFly. You can have a P: field in the middle of a line (the label goes on the next bar line). Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc compliant software
Laurie Griffiths said - >Muse uses ; to include fingering hints in ABC. >i.e. a3;4 means play the a on the 4th string (probably >at the 12th fret for guitar). Great idea. I might use this for cross fingering on English concertina and perhaps I could adapt it to indicate forked F on the oboe. I expect lots of other people could come up with ideas for how to use it for their chosen instrument. Bryan Creer
