Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Phil Taylor wrote: > John Chambers wrote: > >GIF is only used because browsers understand it. > > No, it's used because it's the most efficient way of compressing a > black and white (or 256 colour) picture into a small file. True in low resolution files, but not in print quality. > The newer > PNG format is just as good, and free, but not yet as popular. Why? For exactly one reason: browsers (the big one esp) were not supporting png until recently. And since one must expect quite a few users to still be using their 4.0 or 5.0 browsers it's still not "safe" to use png on web pages. Sad, since png is superior to gif in all ways -- love, peace & harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Announce: new version of Five Line Skink
On Wednesday, June 5, 2002, at 08:39 AM, Wil Macaulay wrote: (I know this is old, but thought I'd chime in) > Any interest in having Skink as a 'front end' for a command-line tool? > in other > words, use Skink to enter, proof read and proof-listen, and then invoke > abcxxps > for final output? Absolutely! I'm running Mac OS X and currently using Barfly this way. I'd love to have something that worked natively. (I'd use Skink now, but I'm using multi-voice extensions, which Skink currently doesn't support.) Geoff To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] antialiasing and test on ps files
>pages because the file sizes are much larger and the download
times
>that much longer, and because the results on-screen are
unpredictable.
I don't really agree, even if you're right in some extends :
A gif file (I mean a partition) that looks cool on a browser with
16 colours is ci. 9 ko. The same in ps is 29 ko, but converted in
pdf it's only 11 ko (I've tried for a small tune). The difference
is that both ps and pdf will print good, the gif will be ugly if
printed. And it's not true to say there is an antialiasing problem
(at least it can be corrected).
If you want to have a look, I've copied the test files here :
http://anamnese.online.fr/lastened/princess.gif and
http://anamnese.online.fr/lastened/princess.pdf
http://anamnese.online.fr/lastened/princess.ps
To see what my antialiased ps files look like, princess.gif is
just a screen-copy of ghostview. I find it strange that most of
users complain about antialiasing with ghostview when the
antialiasing problem just comes from the lines : if the staff
lines are understood to be "quite thick", then ghostview will
"antialias" them and the results will be awfull (some lines will
be antialiased, some others not). Just change the thickness of the
staff lines, and only the notes will be antialiased and the
display nicer. For example, a ps generateed by abcm2pq will begun
such :
%%BeginSetup
/bdef {bind def} bind def
/T {translate} bdef
/M {moveto} bdef
/dlw {0.8 setlinewidth} bdef
{0.8 setlinewidth} may be too large to display well (but it
prints better on laser printers), so if you edit by hand the ps
files, you can lower the value, to {0.7 setlinewidth} or less (it
displays well with 0.7 for me, at least with graphic alpha turned
to 2, not 4).
You can of course alter the source code of the program in order to
make this value the default (for example to compile 2 programs,
one to generate ps files for the screen, the other for the printer
etc.)
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[abcusers] No serious matter, just music ;-)
Hi everybody, just thought it's been too long since anybody posted an actual abc tune at abcusers. Here's one by Spanish 16th Century organist/harpist Antonio de Cabezón. Enjoy :-) Frank X:1 T:Diferencias sobre el canto llano del Caballero C:Antonio de Cabez\'on O:Spain %BarFly users: Remove the % characters from the next four lines! %V:1 program 1 46 up %V:2 program 1 46 down merge %V:3 program 1 46 up bass %V:4 program 1 46 down merge bass N:Note values have been halved since most abc applications seem to be N:uncomfortable with note values longer than whole notes. :-( N:BTW, Laura, there actually *are* barlines in the original this time ;-) Z:Transcribed by Frank Nordberg - http://www.musicaviva.com M:C| L:1/8 K:F V:1 z4 F2G2|A4 A4|B4 B4|A4 F4|G4 A4-|A4 G4| V:2 z4 D2E2|F4 F4-|F2D2 E4|C4 D4-|D2B,2 C4-|C2A,2 =B,4| V:3 A,6B,2|C4 D4|B,6G,2|A,8|D,4 E,4|F,4 D,4-| V:4 D,6G,2|F,6F,2|G,8|F,2E,2 D,2C,2|B,,4 A,,4|F,,4 G,,4| % V:1 F6E2||D8|z4 D2E2|F4 F4|G4 G4|A8|A4 B4-| V:2 C2B,2 A,2G,2||F,4 G,2A,2|B,2C2 D2B,2|C4 D4|B,2C2 D2E2|F4 D4|C2D2 B,2C2| V:3 D,4 ^C,4||D,8|D,2E,2 F,2G,2|A,2F,2 B,4|G,8|D,2E,2 F,2G,2|A,2F,2 G,4-| V:4 A,,8||B,,4 G,,4|z8|z8|z8|z8|z4 G,,2A,,2| % V:1 B4 A4|G8|F8|z4 F2G2|AGAB AFGA|B6B2| V:2 D2E2 F4-|F2D2 E4|C8|z8|F8|F6F2| V:3 G,4 F,4|D,4 G,4|A,8|F,2G,2 A,2B,2|CB,CD CA,B,C|D6D2| V:4 B,,2C,2 D,4|B,,4 C,4|F,,2G,,A,, B,,C,D,E,|F,8|F,8|B,,A,,B,,C, D,2B,,/C,/D,/E,/| % V:1 A4 F4|G4 A4-|A4 G4|F4 E4|D8|z2 D3C DE| V:2 F3C DEF2-|FEF/E/D/E/ F3E|DC D3C D/C/B,/C/|D2B,3A, B,/A,/G,/A,/|B,3F, G,A,B,G,|A,4 B,4| V:3 C2A,4F,2|C4 C2A,2-|A,2F,2 G,4|A,2F,2 G,2E,2|F,2D,3 C, D,E,|^F,G,A,F, G,4| V:4 F,4 D,4|C,4 F,4-|F,2D,2 _E,4|D,4 C,4|B,,4 G,,4|D,4 G,,4| % V:1 F6F2|G8|A8|A4 B4-|B4 A4|G8| V:2 A,2D4C2|B,4 G,4|C2B,C DEFG|ACDE F2GF|D2F3E CD|EFGF EDE2| V:3 A,G,F,E, D,C,F,2-|F,2E,D, F,E,F,/E,/D,/E,/|F,8-|F,A,B,C D4-|D4 CG,A,B,|C2B,A, G,F,G,2| V:4 D,3C, B,,2A,,2|G,,4 C,4|F,,2G,,A,, B,,C,D,E,|F,4 B,,2G,,A,,|B,,C,D,E, F,4|C,8| % V:1 F4 cBc/B/A/G/|FGF/E/D/C/ D2B,D|C2c3B A2-|A2GF AGA/G/F/G/|A2c3=B c/B/A/B/|c2G2 cBAG| V:2 C8|z8|C3D E2F2|D4 E4|C4 F4|E4 C4| V:3 A,8|z4 F,2G,2|A,6A,2|B,4 B,4|A,4 F,4|G,4 A,4-| V:4 F,,6G,,2|A,,4 B,,4|A,,3B,, C,2D,2|G,,4 G,4|F,3E, D,4|C,2CB, A,G,F,E,| % V:1 FEDF EDCB,|A,2A3 =Bc2|F2B2 A4-|A4 G4|G2F2 F4|F2ED FEF/E/D/E/| V:2 z8|z2 D4 C2|D3E FEDC|B,2A,2 B,4|A,4 F,G,A,B,|C8| V:3 A,4 G,4|F,4 E,4|D,8|z4 D,C,D,E,|F,E,F,G, F,4|G,4 G,4| V:4 D,2F,2 C,2C,2|D,4 A,,4|B,,3C, D,4|G,,8|D,4 D,4|C,8| % V:1 F3G A3B|c3c d3c|BGAc BcAB|c2BA GFG2|A3c B2A2|c2A2 d4| V:2 C3B, C2D2|C4 F2D2-|D2C2 DEFD|EFGF EDE2|F4 z4|z4 F3G| V:3 A,6F,2|G,2A,2 B,4-|B,2A,2 G,2F,2|G,8|F,2C,2 D,E,F,G,|A,B,CA, B,CDE| V:4 F,,2F,4D,2|E,2F,2 B,,3C,|D,E,F,2 B,,2D,2|C,8|F,,4 z4|z8| % V:1 c2f3ec2|d2GA B/A/B/c/d2|c2dc def2-|fef/e/d/e/ f3e|dcBA cBAG|BABc def2-| V:2 A4 A4|B6B2|A4 F4|G4 A4-|A4 G4|F8| V:3 F3E C2F2|B,2_E3DB,2|F2D3CA,2|B,4 F,2F2|FEDF _EDCE|DCDC B,2A,2| V:4 z8|z8|z8|z8|z8|z8| % V:1 fedc B2AG|B3A d3^c|d3c A2d2-|dBc3 A=B2|c2f3 ed2-|dcd/c/B/c/ d2g2-| V:2 D8|z4 D2E2|F4 F4|G6G2|F6F2|G2A2 B4-| V:3 B,3A, G,2F,E,|D,2DC B,2A,2|D,2 D3C A,B,|G,3_E D4|F3E ^C2D2|E4 G3F| V:4 z8|z8|D,3E, F,3D,|_E,2C,2 G,3G,|F,3G, A,2B,2-|B,2A,2 G,4| % V:1 gfde fga/g/f/e/|defg ecde|fcAF c2B2|Ad =Bc2A_B2|c3c AFc2|FdBG dfed| V:2 B2A2 G2F2|G8|F4- FFDB,|FDGE F2D2|CFEC F2E2|D3E F2G2| V:3 D6C2|D4 E4|C4 z4|z4 F,2G,2|A,6 A,2|B,4 B,4| V:4 B,6A,2|B,4 C4|F,4 z4|z8|z8|z8| % V:1 c3B AGBA|GFED CcBA|cFGA BcBG|ABAF GBAG|F2B2 AGFE|D3E F3G| V:2 AFGE FEDC|B,4 C4-|CDEF GFDE|FECD EA,=B,^C|D3D CB,A,G,|F,2B,3 A,D2-| V:3 A,4 F,4|G,4 A,4-|A,4 G,4|F,4 E,4|D,8|z4 D,4| V:4 z8|z8|z8|z8|z8|z8| % V:1 A3B c3d|=B2c4B2|c3B AGA2|DGEF GABc|decd BcAB|GABA GFG2|HA8|] V:2 DC F3 GA2|DGFE F/E/D/C/D2|C2F3 E DC|B,2C2 DCDE|FGAF GEFD|EFGF EDE2|HF8|] V:3 F,4 F,4|G,6 G,2|A,6 F,2|G,2A,2 B,4-|B,2A,2 G,2F,2|C8|HC8|] V:4 z8|z8|z8|z8|z8|C,8|HF,8|] --- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, John Chambers wrote: > (Wouldn't it be useful if browsers would display PS and PDF? As far > as I can tell, the reason they don't is that PS and PDF are patented > formats owned by Adobe. This ought not to matter, since it's legal to > decode and display them. But it's easy to understand why people might > be wary of doing something that has a high probability of getting IP > lawyers involved. ;-) Which is why we use GIF instead. Right. < *grin* > > It depends on your screen, mostly. When I first tried GhostView on my > home machine, it was very nearly unreadable. About half the staff > lines and most of the note stems were weird multi-color things that > didn't look much like music at all. It may have had something to do > with my color settings. Of course, I had no clue why it was so awful. > It took a lot of experimenting until I stumbled across the > "antialias" setting, wondered what it was, flipped the setting, and > saw some very nice music notation suddenly appear on the screen. I hadn't realised this until you just mentioned it. -- Richard Robinson "The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing
John Chambers wrote: >Christophe writes: >| I find PDF a good (if not perfect it's a lot better than GIF IMHO) >| format for document exchange and I found useful to say that to help >| users who want to exchange music with non abc litterate friends. > >Yeah; PDF (and PS) are a lot better than GIF or any other format that >sends the scan lines. PS and PDF draw lines and curves to the best >resolution of the output device, so their quality is as good as that >device can produce. Aint necessarily so. When you export a GIF (or PNG, BMP, JPEG etc.) from a program which displays music on the screen, what you get is exactly what is displayed on screen. If you send that to another user it will display on their screen exactly as as it did on yours (maybe bigger or smaller if their screen resolution is different, but with no distortion of the symbols). If that user prints it out it will look the same as it does on screen: OK, but not great, since it won't take advantage of the higher printer resolution and won't look as crisp as you might expect. When you export a Postscript file, or the PDF made from it, what you get is the information which would be sent to a Postscript printer. Send that to another user and the results on screen are quite unpredictable, depending on the software and settings used, the screen resolution and colour depth etc. The results will vary from almost unreadable to OK, but not great. The same applies if that user prints it on a non-postscript printer. If she prints it on a postscript printer the results will always be excellent. So "ps good, gif bad" is quite wrong. It depends what they are going to be used for. Gif is safer, since it will always look the same as it does to the sender, and will never be illegible. PS (or PDF) can give much higher quality under certain specific conditions, but can also produce atrocious results when those conditions don't apply. >GIF is only used because browsers understand it. No, it's used because it's the most efficient way of compressing a black and white (or 256 colour) picture into a small file. The newer PNG format is just as good, and free, but not yet as popular. JPEG is better for full-colour pictures and BMP is uncompressed, so yields unnecessarily huge files. >(Wouldn't it be useful if browsers would display PS and PDF? As far >as I can tell, the reason they don't is that PS and PDF are patented >formats owned by Adobe. This ought not to matter, since it's legal to >decode and display them. But it's easy to understand why people might >be wary of doing something that has a high probability of getting IP >lawyers involved. ;-) It would be useful, but these would not replace gif or png in web pages because the file sizes are much larger and the download times that much longer, and because the results on-screen are unpredictable. >| So I thought it could be useful to tell them to turn off antialiasing >| (for example, with GSVIEW 4.* on a Windows box, go to the Media/Display >| settings menu and set the Graphics Alpha to 1 bit). Ho ho! How is the naive user expected to understand the connection between Graphics Alpha and antialiasing? >With the version for unix/linus systems, it's the "State" menu, which >has an "antialias" item. > >It's easy, once you know about it. But I've never seen any >documentation on this, though I have dug around in the GV and GS docs >quite a bit to learn about some other things. > >It's a bit odd that this would be on by default. It also messes up a >lot of text, though the damage isn't as bad as with music. As far as >I can tell, antialiasing is only useful with images, and not with >very many of them. So by default antialiasing should be off. Antialiasing has it's uses. Perhaps I should explain what it does, for the benefit of the less-well informed. When a computer is instructed to draw a line from position x1y1 to position x2y2 on a display device, it must translate that information into a row of coloured pixels. If the line is horizontal or vertical, the result looks like a clean line, as all the coloured pixels are adjacent. If the line is diagonal, the result will be a staircase, which doesn't look so good. If the instruction was not just for a simple line, but for a pattern such as five equally-spaced horizontal lines whose spacing is different from that of the screen pixels, some distortion is inevitable, resulting in the lines being drawn different distances apart. The distortion is called aliasing because it's exactly analagous to the aliasing which happens in audio when you play two closely related frequencies together. Graphics antialiasing is achieved by filling in the pixels which would be partially included in the lines with shades of grey. The staircase effect on diagonal lines disappears because the steps have been filled in with grey pixels, and the eye sees this as a smooth continuous line (unless you use a magnifying glass to see how it's don
Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing
Christophe writes: | I find PDF a good (if not perfect it's a lot better than GIF IMHO) | format for document exchange and I found useful to say that to help | users who want to exchange music with non abc litterate friends. Yeah; PDF (and PS) are a lot better than GIF or any other format that sends the scan lines. PS and PDF draw lines and curves to the best resolution of the output device, so their quality is as good as that device can produce. GIF is only used because browsers understand it. (Wouldn't it be useful if browsers would display PS and PDF? As far as I can tell, the reason they don't is that PS and PDF are patented formats owned by Adobe. This ought not to matter, since it's legal to decode and display them. But it's easy to understand why people might be wary of doing something that has a high probability of getting IP lawyers involved. ;-) | Saying that PDF files coming from the *abc*2ps/GhostScript road are | unreadable seems a little too much for me. It depends on your screen, mostly. When I first tried GhostView on my home machine, it was very nearly unreadable. About half the staff lines and most of the note stems were weird multi-color things that didn't look much like music at all. It may have had something to do with my color settings. Of course, I had no clue why it was so awful. It took a lot of experimenting until I stumbled across the "antialias" setting, wondered what it was, flipped the setting, and saw some very nice music notation suddenly appear on the screen. | So I thought it could be useful to tell them to turn off antialiasing | (for example, with GSVIEW 4.* on a Windows box, go to the Media/Display | settings menu and set the Graphics Alpha to 1 bit). With the version for unix/linus systems, it's the "State" menu, which has an "antialias" item. It's easy, once you know about it. But I've never seen any documentation on this, though I have dug around in the GV and GS docs quite a bit to learn about some other things. It's a bit odd that this would be on by default. It also messes up a lot of text, though the damage isn't as bad as with music. As far as I can tell, antialiasing is only useful with images, and not with very many of them. So by default antialiasing should be off. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Unsubscribing from ABC
Sorry, for posting again on this subject. >From time to time there were people who could not unsubscribe from the list. The answer was in most cases to search for the correct subscribed address in the email-header and then unsubscribe with this address. Today I found that the header from abcusers contains my address but the header from abcusers-digest does not. There were only infos about our servers. Ok, the address must have been there - the email has reached me. But I couldn't figure out where it was cut off and (until now) I couldn't get my Admin to search for this. Any ideas? Could someone send me an abcusers-digest header how it is supposed to reach the receiver? Thank you Toni To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] page layout in abcm2ps - SOLVED
On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Guido Gonzato wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Atte Andre Jensen wrote: > > > Only thing: I don't have a file ps2pdfwr at all. Could the same be > > achieved by calling psdpdf with -sPAPERSIZE=a4 or something like that? > > yes, I think so. Please let me know, so that I can include this information > in the guide "Typesetting Music with ABC" I'm writing. It' does work, and so does the solution proposed by Christophe Declercq: gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sPAPERSIZE=a4\ -sOUTPUTFILE=somefile.pdf somefile.ps Maybe it would be worth mentioning that GhostView doesn't really give a clue about the problem. That's why I only noticed the problem when printed or viewed on other computers. After installing Acrobat Reader the problem became much clearer, and I guess that all linux users should be encouraged to use that... -- love, peace & harmony Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing
Rick writes: | Agreed. Why else would one subscribe to this list than to read and benefit from |"long and useless comments"? ;-) Paul Musgrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | Well put, Mr. Chambers. I for one appreciate your "long and useless comments." |Keep up the good work! Dave Musgrave McDade, Texas, USA Heh. I was a bit apprehensive about being too harsh. But the fact is, this isn't an "abc-wizards" list. It's "abcusers", and the naming conventions imply that newbie-level discussions should be welcome. One of the real problems with a lot of mailing lists and newsgroups is arrogant "RTFM" comments from the more expert members of the discussion. Such remarks are intended to drive off novices. While this is appropriate on a "wizards" list, it's quite out of place on a "users" list. We don't want to drive away our new users, who are often somewhat clueless. This is especially true for a subject like abc, which exists for musicians, not computer experts. It is interesting that there have been several attempts to start up abc mailing lists for more advanced users and developers, but these haven't been very successful The developers especially seem to want to talk in the "users" forum and get feedback from musicians who are not abc experts or developers. This is generally a good sign. It keeps the programmers in touch with the end users. But we do need to be on the watch for experts who will insult and discourage novices. They need to be told in no uncertain terms that this is not a forum for experts. (And we all need to do a better job of keeping the Subject: line more accurate. ;-) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Antialiasing
> De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]De la part de > John Chambers > Envoyé : vendredi 14 juin 2002 15:25 > À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet : Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing > > > Christophe writes: > | Antialiasing is a feature you can turn off both in GhostView and in > | Acrobat Reader. > | > | Please learn to use the tools you discuss before writing long and > | useless comments. > > Um, I think I'd strongly disagree with that. To paraphrase, "First > learn to use the abc tools, and then we'll asnwer your stupid > questions about them." > > This is both facetious and insulting. Sorry for that, John, if you take it like that. I find PDF a good (if not perfect it's a lot better than GIF IMHO) format for document exchange and I found useful to say that to help users who want to exchange music with non abc litterate friends. Saying that PDF files coming from the *abc*2ps/GhostScript road are unreadable seems a little too much for me. > Antialiasing is an especially awful subject. Most musicians won't > have any clue what this means. Even if they've seen the word in one > of the menus in the app they're using, they won't suspect that it has > anything to do with why the music looks so awful. If they are > familiar with the term from audio context, they still probably won't > suspect that it's related to their problem. So I thought it could be useful to tell them to turn off antialiasing (for example, with GSVIEW 4.* on a Windows box, go to the Media/Display settings menu and set the Graphics Alpha to 1 bit). Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing
Agreed. Why else would one subscribe to this list than to read and benefit from "long and useless comments"? ;-) Rick On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:15:17 -0500 Paul Musgrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well put, Mr. Chambers. I for one appreciate your "long and useless comments." Keep up the good work! Dave Musgrave McDade, Texas, USA This is both facetious and insulting. The abcusers list exists primarily to help users. These are mostly musicians who aren't computer experts, but who are attempting to use abc notation. Telling people to go away until they've first found the answers to their questions is arguing against the main value of this list. (Good stuff deleted) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing
Well put, Mr. Chambers. I for one appreciate your "long and useless comments." Keep up the good work! Dave Musgrave McDade, Texas, USA This is both facetious and insulting. The abcusers list existsprimarily to help users. These are mostly musicians who aren'tcomputer experts, but who are attempting to use abc notation. Tellingpeople to go away until they've first found the answers to theirquestions is arguing against the main value of this list. (Good stuff deleted)
Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing
Christophe writes: | Antialiasing is a feature you can turn off both in GhostView and in | Acrobat Reader. | | Please learn to use the tools you discuss before writing long and | useless comments. Um, I think I'd strongly disagree with that. To paraphrase, "First learn to use the abc tools, and then we'll asnwer your stupid questions about them." This is both facetious and insulting. The abcusers list exists primarily to help users. These are mostly musicians who aren't computer experts, but who are attempting to use abc notation. Telling people to go away until they've first found the answers to their questions is arguing against the main value of this list. Questions about viewers are especially relevant, both abc viewers and viewers for formats like PS and PDF. Most abc users want it converted to conventional staff notation. So questions of the form "Why the hell does it come up so unreadable on my screen?" are quite relevant. If you can't read what's on the screen, that seriously interferes with your use of the software and the abc files. Antialiasing is an especially awful subject. Most musicians won't have any clue what this means. Even if they've seen the word in one of the menus in the app they're using, they won't suspect that it has anything to do with why the music looks so awful. If they are familiar with the term from audio context, they still probably won't suspect that it's related to their problem. The audio meaning has very little to do with the usage in video. The disappearance of a staff line because of "antialiasing" isn't due to a wrong frequency appearing in the output; it's a case of something disappearing entirely. It's not really an aliasing problem at all. But this is what the PS/PDF viewers call it, so it's the word you've gotta use to explain how to fix it. OTOH, we could encourage people to correct the subject line. This branch of the topic has veered away from "Embro". Keeping that subject means that people who killfiled the topic have missed a new topic that they might have found interesting. And people who killfile the message because they know all about "antialiasing" will also miss the "Embro" followups. So rather than discouraging people from discussing a highly relevant topic about usability of abc tools, we should be harping on keeping the subject line meaningful. Then the people who don't want to waste time on a subject can use their reader's "kill" facility. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] "Embro, Embro" CD-ROM
Don't be so unfriendly! We are all feeling our way, and many of us are musicians rather than computer specialists. How else can we learn except by sharing our ignorance? -- Karl Dallas, HoustonMedia Please note new email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Publishers of the KD on jazz and KD on folk mailing lists. . To subscribe send email with 'subscribe' in the Subject field to . KD on jazz: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . KD on folk: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christophe Declercq Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [abcusers] "Embro, Embro" CD-ROM Antialiasing is a feature you can turn off both in GhostView and in Acrobat Reader. Please learn to use the tools you discuss before writing long and useless comments. Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] "Embro, Embro" CD-ROM
Antialiasing is a feature you can turn off both in GhostView and in Acrobat Reader. Please learn to use the tools you discuss before writing long and useless comments. Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
