Re: [abcusers] Intergalactic naming conventions.

2002-07-01 Thread Thomas Bending

> > Any other Brightons there may be need qualification eg Brighton,
> > Planet Zog.
> 
> When it comes to announcements on the web, it's safe to assume it
> happens on earth. All other semi-civilized planets have their own
> (mutually incompatible) networks, and as for *civilized* planets - I
> guess they've got the sense not to mess with this mess at all ;-) ;-) ;-)

Mutually incompatible? Surely not. Several sci-fi movies (mentioning 
no Independence Days) make it clear that it's easy to link your 
network to that of the aliens, even if they're presumably trying to 
stop you. So conversely we must assume the aliens are all using the 
abcusers list, even though we don't see many of their posts. Even 
now debate is raging over an illegal adaptation of the ":" 
control code by players of the octoventral heebiephone...

Thomas Bending

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Re: [abcusers] Intergalactic naming conventions.

2002-07-01 Thread Iain Anderson

see

http://www.faqs.org/rfc/rfc3271.txt

--On Monday, July 01, 2002 13:40:45 + Thomas Bending 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> > Any other Brightons there may be need qualification eg Brighton,
>> > Planet Zog.
>>
>> When it comes to announcements on the web, it's safe to assume it
>> happens on earth. All other semi-civilized planets have their own
>> (mutually incompatible) networks, and as for *civilized* planets - I
>> guess they've got the sense not to mess with this mess at all ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
> Mutually incompatible? Surely not. Several sci-fi movies (mentioning
> no Independence Days) make it clear that it's easy to link your
> network to that of the aliens, even if they're presumably trying to
> stop you. So conversely we must assume the aliens are all using the
> abcusers list, even though we don't see many of their posts. Even
> now debate is raging over an illegal adaptation of the ":"
> control code by players of the octoventral heebiephone...
>
> Thomas Bending
>
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Re: [abcusers] Intergalactic naming conventions.

2002-07-01 Thread Iain Anderson

Sorry sent wrong reference

http://www.ipnsig.org/techinfo.htm -see pdf document - Interplanetary 
Internet: Architectural Definition

--On Monday, July 01, 2002 13:40:45 + Thomas Bending 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> > Any other Brightons there may be need qualification eg Brighton,
>> > Planet Zog.
>>
>> When it comes to announcements on the web, it's safe to assume it
>> happens on earth. All other semi-civilized planets have their own
>> (mutually incompatible) networks, and as for *civilized* planets - I
>> guess they've got the sense not to mess with this mess at all ;-) ;-) ;-)
>
> Mutually incompatible? Surely not. Several sci-fi movies (mentioning
> no Independence Days) make it clear that it's easy to link your
> network to that of the aliens, even if they're presumably trying to
> stop you. So conversely we must assume the aliens are all using the
> abcusers list, even though we don't see many of their posts. Even
> now debate is raging over an illegal adaptation of the ":"
> control code by players of the octoventral heebiephone...
>
> Thomas Bending
>
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Re: [abcusers] Intergalactic naming conventions.

2002-07-01 Thread John Chambers

| ... And the English think that English is the language that the English
| speak!!
| Laurie

Yeah, well, the language does have more than a  few  major  dialects.
There's that line from My Fair Lady:  "In America they haven't spoken
it in years." And it's probably worth noting that the major  American
dictionaries  all  call  themselves  a  "Dictionary  of  the American
Language".  This goes counter to the fact that most  Americans  claim
they speak English.  But common terminology is decidedly fuzzy.

It is common to observe that the spoken dialects have diverged a  lot
more  than the written forms.  This is probably the only good feature
of our demented spelling "system".

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[abcusers] The (illegal) sounds of silence

2002-07-01 Thread John Chambers

Hey, folks, here's a wonderful new addition to the  ongoing
issue of copyrights and the recording industry:

  http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=307449

(Maybe we need an abc transcription  of  Mike  Batt's  "One
Minute's  Silence"  to  go with the version of Cage's 4'33"
that's already online.)


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[abcusers] Modes - request & Sequencing question.

2002-07-01 Thread Christian M. Cepel

I've notated a tune in abc, authored by a semi local, now deceased
gentleman and am currently having those familiar with his work and this
tune review it for accuracy and such. 

It is NOT ready for distribution, so please do not reference or copy the
file(s), which I made available online for our local group, the address
of which I must now distribute here, if I am to receive the feedback I
am seeking.  I will make the final version available when complete.

My request is this.  I've notated the tune in E minor, and even though
I'm nearly finished with a music theory minor at my accredited
university, I struggle with theory, and balk on the subject of modes.  I
just can't seem to get them, and am undertaking study to learn them
outside of my legitimate studies.  That study however would hinder my
distribution of this really beautiful tune.  I digress.   As I stated, I
keyed the tune in E minor, and the accidentals are correct, but it seems
tonally centered on a tonic of A.  I don't know if I'm correct in this
or not, as I struggle as well with tonal theory (despite sleeping the
Gauldin's 'harmonic practice in tonal music' under my pillow for 6
semesters in the hope of knowledge osmosis.   I despise this book
actually.  Though it is heralded as the 'best out there' by so many.) 
So.. My request  Would someone with the knowledge be willing to look
at my files and tell me if its in some key/mode other than E minor, and
perhaps suggest harmonic accomp chording for the tune?

My thanks if anyone's willing.

The files are located at
http://www.chivalry.com/moceltic/slojam/

The tune is 'Mike Hoban's Air' and is located in a slightly separated
manner at the bottom of the list of tunes on that page.

The Finale-gif is an image of what I am most confident as being notated
accurately.  The Midi there is a well rendered playing of that file. 
The Finale file itself, for any who use Coda's SmartMusic is also
there.  Finally, the abc file and a gif screen capture are also
available, though I am not as confident of their correctness, nor does
PlayABC render a suitably accurate hearing of the tune to my ear for me
to recommend it to those not familiar with the tune (especially as it
seems to ignore tied notes and instead play them as separate and
distinct notes).  I could not discover from the standard, or the
tutorials how, or if it is even possible to notate a DC al Fine, so I
was forced to copy the A part and tack it on to the end of the B part,
which kindof defeats the AABA sequencing visually.

So the question that I alluded to in my 'subject' is whether it's
possible or not, and if so, how one notates and directs midi rendering
engines to do a DC al Fine.

Thanks all for any input, and for being patient for the final
distribution copy of the tune if there are those interested in it's
content.

 //Christian
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Re: [abcusers] Modes - request & Sequencing question.

2002-07-01 Thread John Chambers

...
| The tune is 'Mike Hoban's Air' and is located in a slightly separated
| manner at the bottom of the list of tunes on that page.

It's a nice tune, and it's in A dorian.   This  is  the  most  common
"minor" mode in traditional Irish and Scottish music, which is why it
probably sounds Irish to your ears.

The "Dorian" mode is basically similar to what  the  classical  folks
call  "natural  minor"  (or  "Aeolian"),  but the 6th of the scale is
sharp.  It's actually a fairly common sort of scale in a lot  of  the
world.

To make it sound even more traditional Irish or  Scottish,  harmonize
it  with A minor and G major chords.  It'll probably be obvious where
to use each. Those two bars that read |g3ec2| might sound best with a
C major chord.

It's also inevitable that people will play it as a waltz.

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Re: [abcusers] Announce: new ABC manual

2002-07-01 Thread Henrik Norbeck

Guido ha scritto:
> I have nearly finished a new manual: "Typesetting Music with ABC",
> preliminary version available in PDF format from
> http://abcplus.sourceforge.net. I usually write my stuff in
> English, but this guide is written in Italian. Therefore, it won't
> be much useful to English speakers; however, an English version is
> in the works. If anyone can help me translate the guide into
> English, please contact me.

Ma é molto interessante leggere un manuale di abc in italiano!
Cosí posso imparare come tradurre parole musicali in italiano.
Io non posso tradurre in inglese adesso, perché ho un bambino
di due mesi, e non c'é molto tempo per altre cose. Ma, Guido,
penso che il tuo inglese sia meglio che il mio italiano...


Henrik Norbeck, Stockholm, Sweden
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http://home.swipnet.se/hnorbeck/abcmus/  Abcmus ABC program
http://home.swipnet.se/hnorbeck/abc.htm  >1000 abc tunes
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Re: [abcusers] Modes - request & Sequencing question.

2002-07-01 Thread Phil Taylor

>...
>| The tune is 'Mike Hoban's Air' and is located in a slightly separated
>| manner at the bottom of the list of tunes on that page.
>
>It's a nice tune, and it's in A dorian.   This  is  the  most  common
>"minor" mode in traditional Irish and Scottish music, which is why it
>probably sounds Irish to your ears.

To figure this out for yourself, first decide where the tonic is.  In
this case it's easy, since every line of the tune ends on a sustained
A, and the tune spends twice as much time on the note of A as any other
note.  If you know the tonic is A and the key signature is one sharp,
you can look up the mode in this table:

Key Sig Major   MinorMix Dor Phr Lyd Loc
Ionian  Aeolian

7 sharps:   C#  A#m  G#Mix   D#Dor   E#Phr   F#Lyd   B#Loc
6 sharps:   F#  D#m  C#Mix   G#Dor   A#Phr   BLydE#Loc
5 sharps:   B   G#m  F#Mix   C#Dor   D#Phr   ELydA#Loc
4 sharps:   E   C#m  BMixF#Dor   G#Phr   ALydD#Loc
3 sharps:   A   F#m  EMixBDorC#Phr   DLydG#Loc
2 sharps:   D   Bm   AMixEDorF#Phr   GLydC#Loc
1 sharp :   G   Em   DMixADorBPhrCLydF#Loc
0 sharps:   C   Am   GMixDDorEPhrFLydBLoc
1 flat  :   F   Dm   CMixGDorAPhrBbLyd   ELoc
2 flats :   Bb  Gm   FMixCDorDPhrEbLyd   ALoc
3 flats :   Eb  Cm   BbMix   FDorGPhrAbLyd   DLoc
4 flats :   Ab  Fm   EbMix   BbDor   CPhrDbLyd   GLoc
5 flats :   Db  Bbm  AbMix   EbDor   FPhrGbLyd   CLoc
6 flats :   Gb  Ebm  DbMix   AbDor   BbPhr   CbLyd   FLoc
7 flats :   Cb  Abm  GbMix   DbDor   EbPhr   FbLyd   BbLoc

Phil Taylor


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