[abcusers] a request to talented programmers
hello, Windows users have this little gem called NoteWorthy Player (http://www.noteworthysoftware.com/player/), a brilliant MIDI player that also shows the music notation. AFAIK, such a tool is not available to Linux users, and an equivalent Windows program which is open source doesn't exist either. Isn't there a talented programmer who would like to write a program like this? Needless to say, it should also be able to save the music in ABC format. Ciao, Guido =8-) -- Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. guido . gonzato at univr . it - Linux System Manager Universita' di Verona (Italy), Facolta' di Scienze MM. FF. NN. Ca' Vignal II, Strada Le Grazie 15, 37134 Verona (Italy) Tel. +39 045 8027990; Fax +39 045 8027928 --- Timeas hominem unius libri To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] a request to talented programmers
Do you explicitly require that it plays music that is in NWC format? Laurie - Original Message - From: Guido Gonzato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ABC users ML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: [abcusers] a request to talented programmers hello, Windows users have this little gem called NoteWorthy Player (http://www.noteworthysoftware.com/player/), a brilliant MIDI player that also shows the music notation. AFAIK, such a tool is not available to Linux users, and an equivalent Windows program which is open source doesn't exist either. Isn't there a talented programmer who would like to write a program like this? Needless to say, it should also be able to save the music in ABC format. Ciao, Guido =8-) -- Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. guido . gonzato at univr . it - Linux System Manager Universita' di Verona (Italy), Facolta' di Scienze MM. FF. NN. Ca' Vignal II, Strada Le Grazie 15, 37134 Verona (Italy) Tel. +39 045 8027990; Fax +39 045 8027928 --- Timeas hominem unius libri To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] a request to talented programmers
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Laurie (ukonline) wrote: Do you explicitly require that it plays music that is in NWC format? no, I don't think it's important; just MIDI. Later, Guido =8-) -- Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. guido . gonzato at univr . it - Linux System Manager Universita' di Verona (Italy), Facolta' di Scienze MM. FF. NN. Ca' Vignal II, Strada Le Grazie 15, 37134 Verona (Italy) Tel. +39 045 8027990; Fax +39 045 8027928 --- Timeas hominem unius libri To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] abc.sf.net
Hi! I found this list some time ago using abc.sf.net! Now, that I remember it, who owns this project at sourceForge? Can't us, ABC users, create some central point on ABC tools and links to abc libraries? Hugs Albie -- Alberto Manuel B. Simoes Departamento de Informática - Universidade do Minho http://alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt/~albie - http://numexp.sf.net To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] a request to talented programmers
On 8 Jul 2002, Laura Conrad wrote: are a couple of possibilities. Have you looked at Rosegarden? It's not perfect as a MIDI player, but it does play MIDI and show notation. Noteedit is more of a notation editor than a MIDI player, but it's a good program, and does import MIDI files. I haven't had a look at Rosegarden for a while, and I'm compiling it right now. Too bad it doesn't support ABC. Thanks for the tip, Guido =8-) -- Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. guido . gonzato at univr . it - Linux System Manager Universita' di Verona (Italy), Facolta' di Scienze MM. FF. NN. Ca' Vignal II, Strada Le Grazie 15, 37134 Verona (Italy) Tel. +39 045 8027990; Fax +39 045 8027928 --- Timeas hominem unius libri To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] a request to talented programmers
iabc will do Midi eventually. I need to add multi voice support in the notation part, and the export to midi, at least, should be a breeze. It is Linux and Windows. I'm still waiting for takers to help with the Mac port. It shold be very little work, compared to the benefit ;-) A.
Re: [abcusers] a request to talented programmers
Windows users have this little gem called NoteWorthy Player (http://www.noteworthysoftware.com/player/), a brilliant MIDI player that also shows the music notation. I thought it used its own proprietary file format? Does it incorporate its own MIDI - NWC converter? It must have if it can really display staff notation from MIDI file input. Somebody who comes to my Musselburgh folk session often brings his Psion Organiser (a popular British PDA, and I think the only British- designed computer still made apart from embedded systems and ICL mainframes). It has a neat little program that both displays staff notation and plays it, using moving-cursor animation. The screen has enough area and resolution to display a typical jig. I have no idea what the program is, but an ABC-to-whatever converter would just about sell me a Psion. Animated playback really, really helps, whether the animation is of staff notation or (as BarFly does it) ABC source. There can't be anything in the Java environment that makes it impossible, surely? === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] tune finder
Sometimes I feel the need to find a tune by composer, but it doesn't seems to be possible from JC tune finder. For example, all the tunes by Marin Marais (there is some on the web). Wouldn't anybody transcribing stuff that complicated put it into a separate file or identifiably distinct site and advertise the fact? In which case the Tune Finder isn't the way people would get to the music. And I doubt if anyone has ever typed a title of one of the alchemical pieces on my site into the Tune Finder - people search for that sort of thing by genre or composer, the titles are too long and error-prone. It could be nice to be able to search your tune finder by any abc fields, like by D: for example if you like Malicorne and want to find some traditional tunes they've made a cover of. D: has a logistical problem - the transcriber may not know who's recorded the tune. I expect all of the G.S. MacLennan tunes on my site have been recorded, some of them hundreds of times, but I've no idea when or who by. (And as I can't validate the information I'm not greatly interested in being told). I can't imagine any mechanism that could propagate discography data (e.g. from cddb) to the maintainer of an ABC site, can anybody? Remember, the titles of the recordings can be ambiguous or not match those of the scores. D: is fine for a band, fan club or record label putting up trans- criptions of specific artists' stuff but isn't easy for anyone else to use. Could we directly insert a little code at the beginning of an abc file to exclude it from your tune finder, like for the robot exclusion header in html files ? I hope people won't use it to fool your tune finder, but to prevent it from indexing useless tunes (for example I've made a 'favorite' for my own purposes and it's a replication of other abc files, In which case it's a partial mirror of some other site, and that other site might go down. Better to have it available. A keyword in the header that said the tune was a mirror would be more use than hiding it. The user might want to eliminate mirrors from retrieval requests, only asking for them if the first request failed, but could only do that if the tune were indexed. Mirroring is a major headache when using the Tune Finder - the way the ABC corpus is now, you can get up to twenty copies of the same thing. Something needs to be done to stop this getting any worse. Google's do you want to see similar results? is sensible. and I've also some tunes which are still works in progress or temporary files (I sent it to my website for backup only) Simply putting them physically on your site but left un-linked to any public page would do it. About half the content of my site (not the music; medical-related material) is like that. No need to notify an indexer of their existence in the first place. === http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ === To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] ANNOUNCE: Five Line Skink version 1.0a6 available
Hi, thanks for the feedback. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried this program again, I like the interactive nature of it, but I had some problems. Maybe I am doing something wrong. 1. The program seems to have a problem with blank lines. Pretty much any tune that I tried got an unexpected error. Not sure what you mean - blank lines are supposed to signify the end of the tune. Can you send me an example? 2. I couldn't get the splitter bar on the right to drag, which means I couldn't display the full file name I was currently looking at. Maybe this is a java thing, which I realize is beyond your control. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Actually the right (vertical) bar is not a splitter bar, but has only the two positions controlled by the expand staff menu selection under the tools menu. The full file name is displayed in the window title. Maybe I should just display the file name (without the path) in the tree... wil To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tune finder
Richard Robinson wrote: | On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Jack Campin wrote: | Could we directly insert a little code at the beginning of an abc | file to exclude it from your tune finder, like for the robot | exclusion header in html files? Actually that's not a bad idea. I've been a bit busy lately; not time to answer much email. But I'll try to get arount to it. But there are the contra-indications ... | Mirroring is a major headache when using the Tune Finder - the way the | ABC corpus is now, you can get up to twenty copies of the same thing. | Something needs to be done to stop this getting any worse. Google's | do you want to see similar results? is sensible. | | This is a problem, I agree. For John's TuneFinder, there would be the | additional problem of identifying the primary version, rather than | displaying an n-th generation copy and offering the primary as similar | to it. This *could* be done, given universal agreement on a sensible use | of headers. Umm, right ... Yah; I'm not holding my breath until we get universal agreement on such things. There is one kludge that could help now. We've had occasional suggestions that we use the F: header line to contain a tune's original URL. People to mirror tunes usually wouldn't bother changing this, so it could be a tipoff that the original is elsewhere. I responded to this suggestion by having the tune finder generate a F:URL line showing where it got a tune from. That way, if you ask for an abc version of a single tune, it contains the source URL, and you can use that information if you like. I've seen a few cases where tunes end up with several F: lines as a result. It did take a bit of experimenting to figure out how to handle line terminators. My first attempts to generate F: lines caused some people's software to choke due to mixed line separators. Finally I stumbled across what seems to be the solution: My code now just canonicalizes on the ASCII standard (only LF as a terminator). This does seem to work, at least for people who download files via a browser. I'd guess that it's because browsers try to put text files into their system's standard form, and they all know how to translate from standard ASCII to their system's form. | A case in point ... I've just managed to put a big update to my Tunebook | in place (less than ideal, because I'm going away tomorrow so won't be | able to deal with the inevitable glitches and bugreports for a couple of | weeks. Oh well, at least I've finally got the bulk of it done). Among the | changes, it fixes a series of *horrible* typos to Skinner's the Spey In | Spate. These have been there since the thing started (?1994?), and will | continue to be perpetuated by every site that's holding copies, unless | they individually do something about it. I wonder how many of those people | have thought of using mirroring software ? ... in my case, there are now | headers that identify my version as mine, which TuneFinders could use, but | they'd have to know about all the sites that do that, on an individual | basis; and then there are copies that were taken before I put those | headers in ... bleaargh. One thing I've found impressive is how difficult it can be to get typos corrected. I sometimes get the feeling that people try hard to locate the oldest transcription of a tune, and give that to all their friends. Of course, for traditionalists, this isn't surprising behavior. But it does mean that an unedited version tends to propagate faster than a later edited version. Then there are the fun problems when files are reformatted slightly as they pass from one kind of computer to another. Especially when you use email, and line wrapping and/or quoted-printable encoding is done at various steps. Maybe some day this will be recognized as yet another way that music can be transformed. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Announce: iabc 0.4 released
ANewman110 wrote:
iabc version 0.4 is released to www.sourceforge.net/projects/abc.
It still has some serious bugs. In fact, I wouldn't say it works at all.
For instance, try the following tune, which becomes a mess in
iabc:
X:4
T:Dinky's
C:Francie Dearg Byrne (arr for highland pipes)
M:C|
K:Hp
{g}ed|:cd{G}Bc {AG}ABcd|eg{a}fd {g}edBd|gB{d}B{G}B
gBaB|gB{d}B{G}B {a}gfed|
cd{G}Bc {AG}ABcd|eg{a}fd {g}edBd|{gf}g2{a}ge {gfg}f2ed|1 cd{G}Bc
{AG}A2{g}ed:|2 cd{G}Bc {AG}A2eg||
|:aA{gAGAG}A2 aA{d}BA|aA{gAGAG}A2 agef|gB{d}B{G}B
gBaB|gB{d}B{G}B gefg|
[1 aA{gAGAG}A2 aA{d}BA|aA{gAGAG}A2 agef|g{a}g{f}ge
{gfg}f2ed|cd{G}Bc {AG}A2eg:|
[2 {ag}a2{g}af g{a}g{f}ge|f{g}f{e}fd edef|g{a}g{f}ge
{gfg}f2ed|cd{G}Bc {AG}A2||
First of all it doesn't handle K:Hp
Secondly, it handles grace notes incorrectly.
3: For some reason the key signature is not at the beginning of
each line, but as accidentals on every note.
4: Key signature C| is erroneously interpreted as 4/4. It is actually
2/2, but should be printed as a C with a line through it.
5. There's a nearly empty line at the beginning, containing only the
first grace note.
Most tunes from my collection become a mess too.
Henrik Norbeck, Stockholm, Sweden
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.swipnet.se/hnorbeck/ My home page
http://home.swipnet.se/hnorbeck/abcmus/ Abcmus ABC program
http://home.swipnet.se/hnorbeck/abc.htm 1000 abc tunes
http://surf.to/blackthorn Irish trad music band
http://www.rfod.se/folklink/ Links to Swedish music
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[abcusers] ABC source code license?
Is all ABC Music source code under GPL? (If so, that's a real bummer. An Artist License would be much better for its adoption in commerical products.) Is the ABC Music itself under GPL? (If so, then I can't use it at all.) Thanks, Jeff Sz. -- ** Jeff Szuhay A randomly-directed www.szuhay.org chaotical wetware pattern [EMAIL PROTECTED] recognizer/generator. Have a heart that never hardens, and a temper that never tires, and a touch that never hurts. -- Charles Dickens, novelist (1812-1870) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] ABC source code license?
I will go out on a limb here and say that the GPL has nothing whatsoever to do with copyrights that apply to music. In the US at least, unless you perform music that is exclusively in the public domain, you pretty much need to pay your dues to ASCAP/BMI or explain the their lawyers why you don't need to. And anyway, I don't see that the GPL on source code is so enforce-able in most cases. I always assume that any code I release under the GPL is pretty much public domain. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Announce: iabc 0.4 released
Thank you for the sample tune, Hank of Sweden. I will try to make less of a mess of your tunes in the next release. Aaron It still has some serious bugs. In fact, I wouldn't say it works at all. ... For instance, try the following tune, which becomes a mess in iabc: X:4 T:Dinky's C:Francie Dearg Byrne (arr for highland pipes) M:C| K:Hp To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
