Re: [abcusers] voice line (was Christmas ABC pieces)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I have a question, though: which abc programs accept voice lines like this: | V:1 program 1 40 volume 75 | | I am working on the voice header for iabc right now and I'm trying | to figure out how the other programs do it. Unfortunately this will | be one area where I can't match all of the other programs, I am | going to have to choose a way and go with it. You might have that luxury. As the one who made the mistake of telling people about my online ABC Tune Finder, I now find that the only thing I can do is try to learn about all the variants and try to make my software do something sensible with them. Telling people how their online ABC should look is rather a waste of time that could be spent tweaking my abc2ps clone to handle what's Out There. (Of course, then I do get accused of encouraging nonstandard usages, but I casually ignore this. I built this tool for myself, and I find it most useful for my own purposes if it minimizes the hand editing that I have to do on other people's tunes. It doesn't take very many editing sessions until I calculate that I can save time by putting the editing into the web program.) | I am leaning right | now towards requiring all voice commands to be in the format V: | name=value... Yeah; that's a lot easier to parse, and it's what the abc2ps clones use. Too bad everyone didn't follow it. But it's probably too late now. We're stuck with both. | I'm also trying to decide whether or not to allow the | V:1 at the beginning of the line, or to require what I think is the | way proposed in the standard, which is [V:1] to change voices. A bare V:1 initially really only works if you disallow any params. The brackets are useful, because they unambiguously bound the voice declaration, and params can be included. Some likely examples of this are [V:3 clef=treble] (for a viola player) and [V:2 nm=piccolo] (for a flute/piccolo player). So you should certainly recognize [V:1]. What I've worked on (but don't quite have working yet) is allowing a bare V:1 with the warning that the space will terminate it and no params are recognized. If you want to include a param, you have to use [V:1 ...], which is the general form. ABC generators should probably always use [V:1], because there will probably always be programs that misinterpret it if the brackets are missing. Your ABC will be more widely usable with the brackets. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Newbie Questions
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It looks like the site is down for a few days...its a Norweigian site, I think. I hate to admit it, but you're wrong. Webmaster Atté is one of our Danish brothers from the south. Anyway, since there seems to be big band musicians on the list, here's a little belated christmas gift: http://home.online.no/~frnordbe/bb-blackbird-bb/ (Sorry about the messy fonts, I never intended my big band arrangements to be distributed digitally at all.) And, oh yes, a challenge: Can anybody come up with a good abc transcription of this arrangement? Cheers Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Lead Sheets and Copyrights
Can I make my own lead sheets to use when performing even though the chords, melody and lyrics are identical to those in a copyrighted work such as The Real Book or other published source? (This would be for convenience rather than having to carry around half a dozen books.) If so, should I also reproduce the copyright statement from those publications on each particular lead sheet? I often see other performers carrying their book to gigs. Those I've glanced at (by permission) appear to be hand-written, and appear to have no copyright information. I presume that, in many cases, these are special arrangements for that particular performer. But in other cases, I'm quite sure they are, at a minimum, a reverse engineered (by ear) lead sheet and, in many cases, simply hand-copied from some other source. Has anyone spoken with a copyrights attorney to get a definitive answer? What's legal versus what is common practice? TIA for the nuggets of hard knowledge to be whipped up in the maelstrom of opinion that is sure to follow. ;-) -- Ed Skinner, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.flat5.net/ To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] music copyrights
(Sorry, I'm late joining this discussion - christmas vacation, you know.) Jeff Szuhay wrote: ... The rule of thumb for printed music is that the copyright lasts for 50 years after the composer's death. 70 years, actually. Some international council (can't be bothered to remember its name) suggests 70 years after the originator's death for intellectual works (or some mumbo-jumbo like that) by identified originators and 70 years after the first publication for anonymous works. Most countries seems to follow this recommendation, but there are some minor countries (China, USA and their likes) who prefer playing by their own weird rules. As John mentioned, there are also copyrights for _editions_ of works. The 70 years after first publication rule should be safe there too, although I believe the time period is actually considerably shorter. Interestingly, the first publication rule means that many of the modern editions of classical music actually are public domain, since they tend to be just reprints of 19th and early 20th Century editions... There's this big piano sheet music site at: http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/ that mainly contains scans from Fischer's Masterpieces of Piano Music, first published in 1918 and still in print today. (Well, that partcular site is actually illegal, but only because they're located in the USA.) Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Lead Sheets and Copyrights
Ed Skinner wrote: Can I make my own lead sheets to use when performing even though the chords, melody and lyrics are identical to those in a copyrighted work such as The Real Book or other published source? (This would be for convenience rather than having to carry around half a dozen books.) Strictly speaking you can't, but who's gonna check? If you want to be absolutely safe, you can make your own copies, but keep the originals backstage so that you can produce them if anybody should actually ask. Since you mentioned The Real Book, it is a good example that the music publishing industry actually _can_ be pragmatic about coyprights if they really, really have to. That book circulated as illegal copies for decades (in Scandinavia at least) - completely ruining the jazz fake book market. Eventuelly the music publishers was forced to do something about it, so they published an official, watered down, edition. of it. .. I often see other performers carrying their book to gigs. Those I've glanced at (by permission) appear to be hand-written, and appear to have no copyright information. I presume that, in many cases, these are special arrangements for that particular performer. Wooaa! Special arrangements - that'd be even *more* illegal than plain reproductions! Surely *no* responsible musician would ever even think of doing anything like that! ;-) Frank Nordberg http://www.musicaviva.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] voice line (was Christmas ABC pieces)
ANewman wrote: I have a question, though: which abc programs accept voice lines like this: V:1 program 1 40 volume 75 BarFly. There are loads of parameters which can be specified in V: fields in the tune header, including program, volume, tuning, stereo panning, plus all the stuff that abcm2ps puts into the %%staves line. I am working on the voice header for iabc right now and I'm trying to figure out how the other programs do it. Unfortunately this will be one area where I can't match all of the other programs, I am going to have to choose a way and go with it. I am leaning right now towards requiring all voice commands to be in the format V: name=value... I'm also trying to decide whether or not to allow the V:1 at the beginning of the line, or to require what I think is the way proposed in the standard, which is [V:1] to change voices. BarFly allows V: at the start of a line, but its a deprecated format - i.e. I advise users not to use it since it won't work with other programs. There ain't no standard for multivoice abc. The best you can do is to check out what all of the other programs do, and try to cooperate. I did a comparison a while back, and while it's a bit out of date now it's a good starting place: http://www.barfly.dial.pipex.com/multivoice.txt Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
