Re: [abcusers] File Conversion
You could download the current demo from http://www.gvox.com/ (about 6Mb). I didn't look at thethe demo, but if it's fully featured, you may be able to export your files to some stable format. Mick
Re: [abcusers] Parenthesis?/Al Coda?
Subj: Re: [abcusers] Parenthesis?/"Al Coda"?
Date: 02/08/2003 23:17:11 GMT Standard Time
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"(" ")" C
Irwin, this has come up before and doesn't work as
you expect - you get ( above ) rather than a
parenthesis either side of the note (with 3.3.1 that
I'm using).
This has since then been fixed. Download the latest
development edition of abcm2ps and it will work as
intended.
Thanks for that - you're quite right, it's fine in 3.7.0. It's hard keeping all this software up to date!
Mick
Re: [abcusers] Announcement: ABC 2.0.0 draft online
In a message dated 21/07/2003 11:59:49 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: Re: [abcusers] Announcement: ABC 2.0.0 draft online Date: 21/07/2003 11:59:49 GMT Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet 1. In the accents I think it should be made clearer that multiple accents are allowed. !pp!!trill! etc. And what do you expect to see in this case? In this particular case I expect to see a trill mark over the note and a pp indication somewhere near it. That was only an example. The standard, as I read it, allows this already (I was using accent to refer to the general accents/annotations). It was just the wording in the 2.0 draft document I wanted making clearer; IIRC the only indication that more than one is allowed is the use of the plural accents in the Order Of Symbols section. 2. While the accents list is now fuller than formerly, there are some others I think should be added: a) !diamond! to place a small diamond over the note *where* above the note? What does it mean musically? Artificial harmonics can be at different places to mean different harmonics. Above the staff the same as other accent marks. (There are many other ways to notate harmonics, but usually involving 2 notes on the stem - the playing note (usually with a string indication) and an open diamond showing the sounding pitch for example. This would need writing as a chord with 2 different note-heads for example - see below). d) !tremolo1! !tremolo2! and !tremolo3" to draw a note with 1, 2 or 3 diagonal lines over them to indicate tremolo Isn't that what ~ is for? A roll? Repeated note playing eg 4 1/8 notes can be indicated by a 1/2 note with a single diagonal line through the stem or 8 x 1/16 notes by a 1/2 note with 2 diagonal lines through the note stem and so on. Not usually what the roll symbol is for. 3. The thing I find most desirable to include which is not here is varied note head types , for me most often the cross-head 'x' to indicate unpitched spoken words or noises (taps, bangs) , but diamond note heads are used to show harmonics in guitar music. These could be included as formatting options: %%notehead x or %%notehead cross %%notehead / or %%notehead slash %%notehead or %%notehead diamond %%notehead [] or %%notehead square %%notehead + or %%notehead plus %%nothead standard % to reset to normal Triangles/inverted triangles/circles, x-in-circle, white heads, black heads... And different heads on the same stem - how? If you wanted to go down this route, then written as chords with a change of note-head style for the different notes. My own need for notating songs has, not often admittedly, but sometimes needed a cross-head note for marking rhythmic but unpitched spoken words in a song. If you allow one different note-head type there's no need no to allow others. I gave example, but modern notation has used a whole variety of other. imo these (and many others) are going further than abc ought to. It's not a general-purpose music notation standard: for that MusicXML or NIFF or another completely new one should be used. Bernard Hill Braeburn Software I couldn't agree more. When I write classical guitar or other guitar music I don't use abc - I do use a notation program. I use abc to notate and distribute songs and tunes - single line melody with or without words. I thinks it's a good simple descriptive notation for that purpose but for anything more complex I abandon it for a notation program. However if the standard is being extended for other purposes, then I think my suggestions are not unreasonable in that context (Extra annotations/diacritics are not difficult to add, though I agree algorithms for placement of multiple ones may be troublesome for implementors). The suggestion recently that abc split up into a version for just notating songs and tunes and a version for notating and typesetting classical music is not without merit. Mick
Re: [abcusers] Announcement: ABC 2.0.0 draft online
First congratulations to Guido on putting this together - it does seem to include most of the updated features. I have stayed out of most of the discussions on what to include/exclude from the standard, but would like to give a group of comments on this draft form (and I have counted to several hundred). Although the list looks long it actually covers essentially only two topics: 1) Additions to the accents and 2) note heads, only the latter being a real addition to the proposed standard. Mick 1. In the accents I think it should be made clearer that multiple accents are allowed. !pp!!trill! etc. 2. While the accents list is now fuller than formerly, there are some others I think should be added: a) !diamond! to place a small diamond over the note b) !circle! to place a small circle over a note Both of these are used to indicate harmonics in various contexts c) !glissando(! and !glissando)! (after fashion of crescendo) to draw a glissando line between notes d) !tremolo1! !tremolo2! and !tremolo3" to draw a note with 1, 2 or 3 diagonal lines over them to indicate tremolo e) !horizontal(! and matching !horizontal)! (after the fashion of the crescendo) to draw a general horizonal line over a group of notes, usually to be used with some accompanying text (eg position indicator: "^IV"!horizontal(! ... !horizontal)! f) Since chords are allowed arpeggiation markers (vertical wavy line, with or without direction arrows) would also be useful !arpeggio! !arpeggioup! !arpeggiodown! for directionless, up and down. g) String indicators (usually a number in a circle) !(1)! etc h) Right hand finger indicators. For the guitar the letters p,i,m,a,e are used so perhaps !rhp!, !rhi! etc (As a guitarist I prefer to use a notation package to do guitar music, rather than abc which I use generally only for folk songs/tunes, but as people are setting other types of music these may be useful). These may seem too many, but as pointed out, programs can just ignore accents they don't recognise/wish to process. On the other hand the Bartok/snap-pizzicato accent is included and is probably less commonly used than some of these others (glissando for instance). 3. The thing I find most desirable to include which is not here is varied note head types , for me most often the cross-head 'x' to indicate unpitched spoken words or noises (taps, bangs) , but diamond note heads are used to show harmonics in guitar music. These could be included as formatting options: %%notehead x or %%notehead cross %%notehead / or %%notehead slash %%notehead or %%notehead diamond %%notehead [] or %%notehead square %%notehead + or %%notehead plus %%nothead standard % to reset to normal For my purposes this wouldn't be too bad - spoken sections in songs tend to be only a few bars long. Other mechanisms would be possible. (4.Oh and the page numbers in the pdf file are currently incorrect!)
Re: [abcusers] abcm2ps, guitar chords, vocal music, etc.
Using "("")"G with abcm2ps 3.3.1 actually produces something like:
(
)
to the left of the note, seemingly taking the string after as a unit and ignoring the middle quotes. This does more or less accord with the 1.7.6 version of abc which says (in the copy from Chris Walshaw's site some months ago) in the section on Annotations:
"Where two or more such annotations are placed consecutively, e.g. for fingerings, the notation program should draw them on separate lines, with the first listed at the top."
This seems not quite what you would like when using different placement directions.
Mick
Re: [abcusers] abcm2ps, guitar chords, vocal music, etc.
How about "Am"E/D/ C-"C"C2 ? This would also be clearer to read for the accompanist, and it doesn't violate the guideline that the third beat of a bar in common time should be visibly delineated (ie beat two shouldn't be a dotted minim!) This is a real "guideline"? I've never heard that one before. That would imply that syncopated rhythms should be written as No. The recommended way with notes is to avoid ties. In 4/4: |C C3|C3 C|C C2 C|| are all the accepted forms. With rests the picture is different and |C z z2|z2 z C|C z z C| would be the accepted forms. Mick Pearce
