Re: [abcusers] Gscore 0.0.8 laetmotive released
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Sébastien Tricaud wrote: Hi Folks, Gscore 0.0.8 laetmotive is out. This release focuses on bug fixing and improved score editing. Hi, I read about your Gscore 0.0.8, downloaded it, compiled it, and run it on my Linux Fedora Core 2 system. But looking at it, clicking everywhere, checking out all the menus, after 2 weeks I still don't have no idea how to create my first simple score. The screenshots on the website look nice, but I haven't seen anything like it on my own screen yet. Apparently User-friendlyness still has to be improved, even if I'm doing something completely wrong. What I need is a small getting started document. For example: what do I have to do to enter the first bars of Jingle Bells in the key of G major ? Once I have succeeded doing that I will find out the rest for myself I'm sure. Afew years ago, when I first attempted to write a few bars of abc music, written with vim and processed with abcm2ps, it only took me a few minutes to have success. Graphical frontends are supposed to make things easier, but the ones I have seen so far hardly do that. -- Martin Tarenskeen
Re: [abcusers] Gscore 0.0.8 laetmotive released
Martin Tarenskeen wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Sébastien Tricaud wrote: Gscore 0.0.8 laetmotive is out. This release focuses on bug fixing and improved score editing. But looking at it, clicking everywhere, checking out all the menus, after 2 weeks I still don't have no idea how to create my first simple score. The screenshots on the website look nice, but I haven't seen anything like it on my own screen yet. ... Afew years ago, when I first attempted to write a few bars of abc music, written with vim and processed with abcm2ps, it only took me a few minutes to have success. Graphical frontends are supposed to make things easier, but the ones I have seen so far hardly do that. Noteedit seems to be pretty good, so far. Haven't tried multiple staves, yet. Didn't take me very long to figure out how to make things work. You do need midi working to hear sound, though. Roger To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] abcm2ps-3.7.x and RoPS
Hi everybody,
John Walsh warned me about a problem when using the free version of
RoPS (PostScript level 1 only) with stable releases of abcm2ps
(3.7.xx). Here is how to make it work:
- create a file (say 'ps1.abc') containing:
%%postscript /rectstroke{
%%postscript4 2 roll M 1 index 0 RL 0 exch RL neg 0 RL closepath
%%postscriptstroke}!
%%postscript /rectfill{
%%postscript4 2 roll M 1 index 0 RL 0 exch RL neg 0 RL closepath
%%postscriptfill}!
%%postscript /selectfont{exch findfont exch dup
%%postscripttype/arraytype eq{makefont}{scalefont}ifelse setfont}!
- then generate your tunes with this file as the first one:
abcm2ps ps1.abc your_tune.abc
About the PS level, I would say, no, John, with abcm2ps, there is no
difference generating level 1 or level 2.
BTW, D. J. Bernstein from Chicago found a security hole which is present
in all abcm2ps versions. So, please, upgrade to the latest ones (3.7.21
and 4.8.5).
Best regards.
--
Ken ar c'hentañ | ** Breizh ha Linux atav! **
| http://moinejf.free.fr/
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Re: [abcusers] Yet another text based Music typesetting program
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: The link to www.quercite.com seems to be dead at this moment, I hope temporarily. The links works again. -- Martin Tarenskeen To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] abcm2ps-3.7.20
Hi, I have put SpareMiNT RPM packages from abcm2ps-3.7.20 (last stable release) for Atari FreeMiNT here: http://www.home.zonnet.nl/m.tarenskeen/download/mint/ An abc syntax highlight file (abc.syn) for the Atari editor QED can also be downloaded from this location. The newer abcm2ps-4.x development versions can be found at http://sparemint.atariforge.net as usual. -- Martin Tarenskeen To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Gscore 0.0.7 released
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 22:32 +0100, Remo D. wrote: Sébastien Tricaud wrote: Hi folks, Gscore is a musical score editor. Looks interesting! Thanks, and sorry I saw this message quite late :( I'd like to try it, do you have a precompiled Win version? I promise I'll install Scons and GTK library to try compile it myself but I'm sure it won't be in a short time! There's no, at this time, known precompiled windows version. If you are willing to do it, go ahead and tell us on our mailing list (all informations to subscribe on the main webpage: http://www.gscore.org). By the way, the 0.0.8 is just out. bye, Sebastien. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |
Jon Freeman wrote: OK, I've found it - its a bug. See http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do;:YfiG?bug_id=4957565 Thanks alot. That's nice to know :-) Now I know where to dirrect my attention!!! Maybe there is a later version of Java that fixes it. I'll try different versions, also earlier ones, and see it one of them works better. Thanks again... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |
From: Atte André Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon Freeman wrote: Try alt 124 (hold alt [not alt gr] key and type 124 on number pad before releasing alt) Doesn't work OK, I've found it - its a bug. See http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do;:YfiG?bug_id=4957565 Maybe there is a later version of Java that fixes it. Jon To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: Nice, free or affordable abcpackage runing under windows
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:53:45 -0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My suggestion is: abcm2ps.exe http://abcplus.sourceforge.net runabc.exe (with built-in tcl/tk) http://ifdo.pugmarks.com/~seymour/runabc/top.html) GNU GhostScript + GSView: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.html http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get814.htm RoPS is lighter than GS/GV: http://www.rops.org/ and the old version (5.3 - PS level 1) is free (don't forget '--pslevel 1' when running abcm2ps). -- Ken ar c'hentañ | ** Breizh ha Linux atav! ** | http://moinejf.free.fr/ Pépé Jef| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |
Wil Macaulay wrote: Atte, when you say 'it's the same in other applications do you mean that other java applications also will not allow you to enter the | key? Yes, that's what I mean... Is there a key on your keyboard that has the | key on it, or do you normally have to use a composition key sequence? Not sure what you mean... There is a key that was the |, ` and ´ printed on it. If I press Alt Gr-thiskey I normally get a |. But for some reason not inside java-applications. -- peace, love harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Make only lyrics and chords from abc?
The free programs at: http://world.std.com/~gdallal/UKE.HTM can produce the type output you mention. Just run the option that doesn't produce the ukulele chord diagrams. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ulf Bro Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [abcusers] Make only lyrics and chords from abc? Hi, (please view this with a monospaced font) With the modern software available you can obviously print melody without lyrics, print one single voice out of a multivoice file etc. It normally should also be possible to use the same abc file to print out something like this: (1) good version: / / // || C / F / | C / / / | It's been a || hard day's | night and I've been | Bb / / / | C / / / | working like a | dog | (2) alternate version: CF C It's been a hard day's night and I've been Bb C Working like a dog Or some other format that a band can use when some of them say they don't necessarily need the notes (the bass player for example). Do you see the possibility of adding such a feature, or something like it to already existing software and have the result printed out as a PS file? ??? Ulf To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] skink, java and |
That would be possible, but considering how often we use | in abc I don't consider that an option... If there is no | available, perhaps you could use a substitute character (like a / or \ or ~) and do one search and replace at the end of your editing so you only have to worry about the | once? To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |
From: Atte André Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wil Macaulay wrote: Atte, when you say 'it's the same in other applications do you mean that other java applications also will not allow you to enter the | key? Yes, that's what I mean... Is there a key on your keyboard that has the | key on it, or do you normally have to use a composition key sequence? Not sure what you mean... There is a key that was the |, ` and ´ printed on it. If I press Alt Gr-thiskey I normally get a |. But for some reason not inside java-applications. Try alt 124 (hold alt [not alt gr] key and type 124 on number pad before releasing alt) Jon To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Make only lyrics and chords from abc?
Hi, (please view this with a monospaced font) With the modern software available you can obviously print melody without lyrics, print one single voice out of a multivoice file etc. It normally should also be possible to use the same abc file to print out something like this: (1) good version: / / // || C / F / | C / / / | It's been a || hard day's | night and I've been | Bb / / / | C / / / | working like a | dog | (2) alternate version: CF C It's been a hard day's night and I've been Bb C Working like a dog Or some other format that a band can use when some of them say they don't necessarily need the notes (the bass player for example). Do you see the possibility of adding such a feature, or something like it to already existing software and have the result printed out as a PS file? ??? Ulf To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |
Jon Freeman wrote: Try alt 124 (hold alt [not alt gr] key and type 124 on number pad before releasing alt) Doesn't work -- peace, love harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] skink, java and |
Atte, when you say 'it's the same in other applications do you mean that other java applications also will not allow you to enter the | key? Is there a key on your keyboard that has the | key on it, or do you normally have to use a composition key sequence? wil Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi I downloaded skink but discovered that I cannot use | (pretty useful in typing abc) in my java: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ java -version java version 1.4.2_01 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_01-b06) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2_01-b06, mixed mode) It's the same in other applications, and all other keys including danish chars æøå and other using alt gr. I know this is not related to abc or even skink, but I thought others here might have had the same problem, and has a solution to offer... I'm running debian/linux/unstable... To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] skink, java and |
Hi I downloaded skink but discovered that I cannot use | (pretty useful in typing abc) in my java: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ java -version java version 1.4.2_01 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_01-b06) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2_01-b06, mixed mode) It's the same in other applications, and all other keys including danish chars æøå and other using alt gr. I know this is not related to abc or even skink, but I thought others here might have had the same problem, and has a solution to offer... I'm running debian/linux/unstable... -- peace, love harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] [ABCp] Syntax
I've put on a page (http://abcp.sourceforge.net/abcpsyn.shtml) a very terse description of the syntax ABCp is able to recognize. As always I offer it to your criticism. Feel free to ask what is not clear (I put together the doc on the fly). What I'm really interested in is to understand if I touched all the aspects of ABC or I missed anything. Thansk, Remo. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Nice, free or affordable abcpackage runing under windows
Hi I guess this has been asked 1.000.000 times before but I'm looking for a nice, easy to setup, easy to use abc-tool running under windows. I'm a linux user myself and I'm most happy with my abcm2ps/gv/emacs/self-made-python-script combo, but more and more of my windows-running music friends gets interrested in trying out abc. So hopefully you guys can supply me with some info to pass on to them... Ideally the tool should (in my prioritized order): * be easy to install and use * produce high-quality prints * support as much of the cutting-edge abc (abcm2ps stuff) as possible * be flexible enough for a beginner to grow within the tool * be free or cheep * not be commercially available from the person recommending it :-) Thanks in advance for any feedback -- peace, love harmony Atte http://www.atte.dk To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Nice, free or affordable abcpackage runing under windows
Atte wrote: Hi I guess this has been asked 1.000.000 times before but I'm looking for a nice, easy to setup, easy to use abc-tool running under windows. I'm a linux user myself and I'm most happy with my abcm2ps/gv/emacs/self-made-python-script combo, but more and more of my windows-running music friends gets interrested in trying out abc. So hopefully you guys can supply me with some info to pass on to them... Ideally the tool should (in my prioritized order): * be easy to install and use * produce high-quality prints * support as much of the cutting-edge abc (abcm2ps stuff) as possible * be flexible enough for a beginner to grow within the tool * be free or cheep * not be commercially available from the person recommending it :-) My suggestion is: abcm2ps.exe http://abcplus.sourceforge.net runabc.exe (with built-in tcl/tk) http://ifdo.pugmarks.com/~seymour/runabc/top.html) GNU GhostScript + GSView: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.html http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/AFPL/get814.htm Hudson To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
Phil Taylor wrote: On 5 Dec 2004, at 19:30, RWW Taylor wrote: The back-quote character appears on the standard Mac keyboard on the upper-leftmost key, above the tab very convenient. On my G4 PowerBook it's the key to the left of the Z, so I guess it's not really standardised, even on the same platform. Actually, it's not a platform thing, it's a locale thing. On nearly every ANSI layout keyboard (prevalent in North America, and apparently also in China...), it's the key above the tab to the left of the number row. On a lot of ISO layout keyboards (used in the majority of places outside of North America...), you instead have an extra key in-between the shift and the Z which usually has that backquote, but not always. --Steve Bennett To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
Em 6 Dec 2004, Jack Campin escreveu: The code: (6abc``def is (normally) interpreted as 6 notes in the time of 2 notes. I know. It shouldn't be, that's nothing like normal musical practice. Really, you are correct. [snip] Here are the results of my attempts to get round this. (It's rhythmically more complicated than I thought at first - the sextuplets are really 2+2+2, not 3+3, so it's a three-against- two pattern throughout - I've revised the spacing to reflect that). Taking just the first four bars of the upper voice: [snip] I use abcm2ps and abc2midi. With them, your examples 2,3,4, and 6 worked correctly. Macros are not implemented yet. Who on earth would expect the note lengths in (6abcdef to be different from those in (3abc(3def ? This is just a glaring bug in the standard, no pre-existing notation works that way. [snip] Really, (6 as (6:4:6 would be better than the current (6:2:6. Regards. Hudson Lacerda _ Quer mais velocidade? Só com o acesso Aditivado iG, a velocidade que você quer na hora que você precisa. Clique aqui: http://www.acessoaditivado.ig.com.br
[abcusers] Whew!!! again
I have finally finished the transcription I've been having all these problems with. It might be interesting to use it as a test case, as it's thrown up more problems than anything else I've tried to code in ABC, and I doubt if BarFly will be the only application that creaks a bit trying to process it. In one place I gave up on trying to copy Corri's notation: ABC doesn't have a turn-with-a-sharp construct and BarFly can't reliably align multi-part music with gracenotes, so they had to go, and for the sake of consistency I decided to go the whole hog and write out all the ornamentation explicitly. Tempos are pure guesswork. X:0 T:Oh Callar Spirlings C:The Common Cry of the Edinr. Fish Wives M:3/4 L:1/4 Q:1/4=96 K:D Minor A |d d ^c |d2 =B |c c= B |c2 ^c |d d ^c |d2 |] w:Oh Cal-lar Spir-lings Oh Cal-lar Spir-lings Oh Cal-lar Spir-lings X:1 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (theme) C:Domenico Corri V:1 V:2 bass transpose -24 middle = d M:3/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=96 Andante K:D Minor [V:1] ^P.A2|[d4F4] [d4F4] [^c4G4] |[d8F8][=B4F4]|[c4G4] [c4E4] [=B4G4F4]|[c8E8][^c4G4E4] | [V:2] z2| d4 d'4 a4 | d'4 d4 g4 | e4 c4 g4 | c'4 c4 a4 | % [V:1] [d4A4F4] [d4A4F4] [^c4G4E4]|[d8A8F8] [a4f4]|^F.[a3f3][ge] [f4d4] f/e/f/e/f/e/d/e/| d4 D4 z2 || [V:2] f4 d4a4 | d'4 d4 f4 | g4 a4 [A4^c4e4g4] | d2A2`F2A2 D2 || X:2 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (variation 1) C:Domenico Corri V:1 V:2 bass transpose -24 middle = d M:3/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=96 K:D Minor [V:1] ^P.A2|[d4F4] [d4F4] [^c4G4] |[d8F8] [=B4G4F4]| [V:2] z2| dafa dafaAaea | dafa dafa Ggdg | % [V:1] [c4G4] [c4E4] [=B4G4F4]|[c8E8] [^c4G4E4]| [V:2] cgeg cgegGgdg | cgeg cgeg ^caea | % [V:1] [d4F4] [d4F4] [^c4G4E4]|[d8A8F8] ^F.[a4f4] | [V:2] dafa dafaAaea | dafa dafa FdAd | % [V:1] [a3f3][ge] [f4d4] [e4^c4] | d4D4z2|| [V:2] GdBd AfdfAe^ce | d2A2` F2A2 D2|| X:3 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (variation 2) C:Domenico Corri V:1 V:2 bass transpose -24 middle = d M:3/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=96 K:D Minor [V:1] A2|^P.dAFA dAFA ^F.GA^cA |dAFA DFAd c=BAG| [V:2] z2| d4 f4a4|d'4 d4 g4 | % [V:1]^P.cGEG cGEG ^F.FG=BG |cGEG cGce ged^c| [V:2] e4 c4g4|c'4 c4 a4 | % [V:1]^P.dAFA dAdf eA=B^c|dAdf adfa d'afd| [V:2] f4 d4a4|d'4 d4 f4 | % [V:1]^F.adbd afeg fd^ce |dAFA D4 z2 || [V:2] g4 a4A4|d4 zdAF D2 || X:4 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (variation 3) C:Domenico Corri V:1 V:2 M:3/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=112 K:D Minor [V:1] ^P.a2|d'a3```d'a3 d'/^c'/d'/c'/d'/c'/=b/c'/|d'a3```d'a3 c'/=b/c'/b/c'/b/a/b/| [V:2] z2|f2``d2`f2d2``g2```e2 |f2`d2``f2d2```g2`f2 | % [V:1] c'g3```c'g3 c'/=b/c'/b/``c'/b/a/b/ |c'g3```c'g3 e'^c'`=ba | [V:2] e2``c2`e2c2``f2```d2 |e2`c2``e2`c2``e2^c2 | % [V:1] d'a3```d'a3 d'/^c'/d'/c'/d'/c'/=b/c'/|d'2a2`(f'2d'2`a2)f2 | [V:2] f2``d2`f2d2``g2```e2 |f2`d2 f4 z4 | % [V:1] ^F. a/b//a//g/a/bg f2d2``e2^c2|d8D2 || [V:2] G2``B2 A4A,4 |D2`A,2`F,2A,2 D,2 || X:5 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (variation 4) C:Domenico Corri V:1 V:2 bass middle=D transpose -12 M:3/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=92 m:S = (6:4:6 K:D Minor [V:1] A2|Sd^c`dA`Bc Sda```gf```ed S^cd`eA`Bc |Sd^c`fe``fe Sa^g`ad'^c'd' f'2 z2 | [V:2] z2|[d2f2][d2f2] [d2f2][d2f2] [A2e2g2][A2e2g2]|[d4f4]z4 z2(3GA=B | [V:1]Sc=B`ce`de Sg^f``gc'`=bc' d'2 z2 |Sd^c`dA`=Bc Sda``gf``ed Scd`eA```Bc | [V:2][c4e4]z4 z2(3A=B^c | d2[d2f2][d2f2][d2f2] [A2e2g2][A2e2g2]| % [V:1]Sd^cd`ABcSda```gf```ed S^cd`eA```Bc |Sd^c`fe``fe Sa^g`ad'^c'd' f'2 z2 | [V:2] d2[d2f2][d2f2][d2f2] [A2e2g2][A2e2g2]|[d4f4]z4 z2(3GA=B | [V:1]Sbab``d'c'b Sag```fe```fg S fe`d^c``de |Sdf``af``ad' d4 z2|| [V:2] G4 A4 A,4| D4 SD,F,A,D`A,F, D,2 || X:6 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (variation 5) C:Domenico Corri V:1 V:2 bass M:3/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=66 K:D Minor [V:1] ^With expression, P. A2 | d/e/d/^c/de fdef eA=Bc| d/e/d/^c/de f/g/f/e/fa gGA=B | [V:2] z2 | [D4F4][D4F4] [A,4E4G4] | [D4F4] [D4F4] [G,4D4F4]| % [V:1] c/d/c/=B/cd ecag gfed | e/f/e/d/ef gc'e'd' ^c'a=bc' | [V:2] [C4E4][C4E4]
Re: [abcusers] GHB ... it gets worse ...
A little dyslexia can get you in a whole lot trouble ... something about drugs, bagpipes and fighting in the UK hmm ...awareness about the dangers of GHB and its analogs- gamma hydroxy butyrate or maybe those who don't have GHB get into fights and get booked on GBH after being exposed to Great Highland Bagpipes, LOL. GHB is also used as a date rape drug - seems to be a particular hazard in Glasgow bars. I can see the potential for a really bad teuchter comes to the big city looking for some action joke... - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack * food intolerance data recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files, and my CD-ROM Embro, Embro. -- off-list mail to j-c rather than abc at this site, please -- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] GHB ... it gets worse ...
You guys are awful *grin* I thought the entire procedure of learning the Highland Pipes is to make your fingers do something so unnatural and confusing that you'll never be able to type properly again! When I get my UP out and try to play it, it takes me a good ten minutes to reorganize my brain and fingers to make the thing squeak. I enjoy the banter, but I'm a little sad that both on here, and the other lists I've posted on, that I've not found the pot of gold I was looking for. Jack Campin wrote: A little dyslexia can get you in a whole lot trouble ... something about drugs, bagpipes and fighting in the UK hmm ...awareness about the dangers of GHB and its analogs- gamma hydroxy butyrate or maybe those who don't have GHB get into fights and get booked on GBH after being exposed to Great Highland Bagpipes, LOL. GHB is also used as a date rape drug - seems to be a particular hazard in Glasgow bars. I can see the potential for a really bad teuchter comes to the big city looking for some action joke... - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack * food intolerance data recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files, and my CD-ROM Embro, Embro. -- off-list mail to j-c rather than abc at this site, please -- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- |Christian Marcus Cepel | And the wrens have returned [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq:12384980 | are nesting; In the hollow of 371 Crown Point, Columbia, MO| that oak where his heart once 65203-2202 573.999.2370 | had been; And he lifts up his Computer Support Specialist, Sr. | arms in a blessing; For being University of Missouri-Columbia | born again. --Rich Mullins| To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] tuplet beaming
[Use a wide window for this, it does make sense in a fixed-width font.] The following is a right mess in Barfly, both on playback and display: X:3 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (variation 4) C:Domenico Corri V:1 V:2 M:3/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=90 K:D Minor [V:1][L:1/16] A2|(6d^cd`ABc (6dag``fed (6^cde``ABc |(6d^cf`efe (6a^gad'^c'd' f'2 z2 |\ (6c=Bc`ede (6g^fg`c'=bc' d'2 z2|(6d^cd`A=Bc (6dag`fed(6cde``ABc | [V:2][L:1/8] z | [DF]`[DF][DF]`[DF][AEG][A,EG] | [D2F2] z2 z(3G,/A,/=B,/ |\ [C2E2]z2 z (3A,/=B,/^C/| D```[DF] [DF][DF][A,EG]`[A,EG]| % [V:1][L:1/16] A2|(6d^cd`ABc (6dag``fed (6^cde``ABc |(6d^cf`efe (6a^gad'^c'd' f'2 z2 |\ (6bab``d'c'b (6agf``efg (6 fed`^cde |(6dfa``fad' d4 z2 || [V:2][L:1/8] z | D```[DF][DF]`[DF][AEG][A,EG] | [D2F2] z2 z (3G,/A,/=B,/ |\ G,2 A,2 A,,2 | D,2 (6D,,/F,,/A,/D,/A,,/F,,/ D,,|| The only real change I've made to the score (one of a set of harpsichord variations from 1780) is to use two treble staves instead of treble and bass - BarFly doesn't do clef changes in mid-voice. Apart from the weird- looking finish, that doesn't matter. What does matter is what BarFly does to the tuplets. Written as above, they are beamed correctly as Corri wrote them - double beams. But the playback reads them as half the length they should be, and the staff display gets horribly confused about what length the bars in the left-hand voice ought to be and how the voices should align. I think I've asked Phil about this in a different context before, and he said the ABC standard insisted on beaming tuplets with one less beam than the standard practice (i.e. sextuplet semiquavers as here would be beamed as quavers). Obviously I can't hand a score printed that way to a pianist and expect her to make sense of it, and there is simply no workaround to get something that both plays and sounds right without using a pen to add beams. Does any other ABC application beam tuplets in the conventionally expected way? And can we fix the standard to mandate double beams and a correct reading of the note lengths in this situation in future? It can't affect very much music in the existing ABC corpus. Minor bug: the spacer characters between the chords don't work right. - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack * food intolerance data recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files, and my CD-ROM Embro, Embro. -- off-list mail to j-c rather than abc at this site, please -- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
Hello. The code: (6abc``def is (normally) interpreted as 6 notes in the time of 2 notes. Try use a more precise syntax for tuplets, like: (6:4abc``def which stands for 6 notes in the time of 4 notes; or the complete form: (6:4:6abc``def which stands for a proportion of 6 notes in the time of 4, for the next 6 notes; so it's possible do this: (6:4:4cd2``ef2 Best wishes. Hudson Lacerda Em 5 Dec 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: [Use a wide window for this, it does make sense in a fixed-width font.] The following is a right mess in Barfly, both on playback and display: X:3 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (variation 4) C:Domenico Corri V:1 V:2 M:3/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=90 K:D Minor [V:1][L:1/16] A2|(6d^cd`ABc (6dag``fed (6^cde``ABc |(6d^cf`efe (6a^gad'^c'd' f'2 z2 |\ (6c=Bc`ede (6g^fg`c'=bc' d'2 z2 |(6d^cd`A=Bc (6dag`fed (6cde``ABc | [V:2][L:1/8] z | [DF]`[DF] [DF]`[DF] [AEG][A,EG] | [D2F2] z2 z (3G,/A,/=B,/ |\ [C2E2] z2 z (3A,/=B,/^C/| D```[DF] [DF][DF] [A,EG]`[A,EG] | % [V:1][L:1/16] A2|(6d^cd`ABc (6dag``fed (6^cde``ABc |(6d^cf`efe (6a^gad'^c'd' f'2 z2 |\ (6bab``d'c'b (6agf``efg (6 fed`^cde |(6dfa``fad' d4 z2 || [V:2][L:1/8] z | D```[DF] [DF]`[DF] [AEG][A,EG] | [D2F2] z2 z (3G,/A,/=B,/ |\ G,2 A,2 A,,2 | D,2 (6D,,/F,,/A,/D,/A,,/F,,/ D,,|| The only real change I've made to the score (one of a set of harpsichord variations from 1780) is to use two treble staves instead of treble and bass - BarFly doesn't do clef changes in mid-voice. Apart from the weird- looking finish, that doesn't matter. What does matter is what BarFly does to the tuplets. Written as above, they are beamed correctly as Corri wrote them - double beams. But the playback reads them as half the length they should be, and the staff display gets horribly confused about what length the bars in the left-hand voice ought to be and how the voices should align. I think I've asked Phil about this in a different context before, and he said the ABC standard insisted on beaming tuplets with one less beam than the standard practice (i.e. sextuplet semiquavers as here would be beamed as quavers). Obviously I can't hand a score printed that way to a pianist and expect her to make sense of it, and there is simply no workaround to get something that both plays and sounds right without using a pen to add beams. Does any other ABC application beam tuplets in the conventionally expected way? And can we fix the standard to mandate double beams and a correct reading of the note lengths in this situation in future? It can't affect very much music in the existing ABC corpus. Minor bug: the spacer characters between the chords don't work right. - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 * food intolerance data recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files, and my CD-ROM Embro, Embro. -- off-list mail to j-c rather than abc at this site, please -- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- _ Quer mais velocidade? Só com o acesso Aditivado iG, a velocidade que você quer na hora que você precisa. Clique aqui: http://www.acessoaditivado.ig.com.br
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Hello. The code: (6abc``def is (normally) interpreted as 6 notes in the time of 2 notes. Try use a more precise syntax for tuplets, like: (6:4abc``def which stands for 6 notes in the time of 4 notes; or the complete form: (6:4:6abc``def which stands for a proportion of 6 notes in the time of 4, for the next 6 notes; so it's possible do this: (6:4:4cd2``ef2 Best wishes. Hudson Lacerda But what's the apostrophe for? And what ascii character is it and how is it produced on keyboards anyway? -- Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians for musicians http://www.braeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
Bernard Hill wrote: But what's the apostrophe for? And what ascii character is it and how is it produced on keyboards anyway? It's a back quote (ASCII 96) according the 2.0 draft is to be ignored: A`B is equivalent to AB. On Dos/Win platform you can get it with Alt+96 (on the numeric keypad). No idea on Mac. R.D. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
The back-quote character appears on the standard Mac keyboard on the upper-leftmost key, above the tab very convenient. The character does appear to be just ignored by, say, the abc conversion software at http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html (unless it appears in the T: field, in which case it is translated to a left curly quote). The effect is to allow inclusion of a visual marker where emphasis might be needed could be useful. /RWWT On Sunday, December 5, 2004, at 12:52 PM, Remo D. wrote: Bernard Hill wrote: But what's the apostrophe for? And what ascii character is it and how is it produced on keyboards anyway? It's a back quote (ASCII 96) according the 2.0 draft is to be ignored: A`B is equivalent to AB. On Dos/Win platform you can get it with Alt+96 (on the numeric keypad). No idea on Mac. R.D. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
On 5 Dec 2004, at 16:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. The code: (6abc``def is (normally) interpreted as 6 notes in the time of 2 notes. Try use a more precise syntax for tuplets, like: (6:4abc``def which stands for 6 notes in the time of 4 notes; or the complete form: (6:4:6abc``def which stands for a proportion of 6 notes in the time of 4, for the next 6 notes; so it's possible do this: (6:4:4cd2``ef2 Hudson is correct. BarFly tells you if the bars don't add up as expected, so you should have caught that one. Also BarFly does let you change clefs in mid-voice; you should put the word 'bass' in a K: field. This will display correctly: (At least if you have a screen a yard wide to accommodate that many notes per line:-) X:3 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (variation 4) C:Domenico Corri V:1 V:2 M:3/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=90 K:D Minor [V:1][L:1/16] A2|(6:4:6d^cd`ABc (6:4:6dag``fed (6:4:6^cde``ABc |(6:4:6d^cf`efe (6:4:6a^gad'^c'd' f'2 z2 |\ (6:4:6c=Bc`ede (6:4:6g^fg`c'=bc' d'2 z2 |(6:4:6d^cd`A=Bc (6:4:6dag`fed(6:4:6cde``ABc | [V:2][L:1/8] z | [DF]`[DF][DF]`[DF][AEG][A,EG] | [D2F2] z2 z(3G,/A,/=B,/ |\ [C2E2]z2 z (3A,/=B,/^C/| D```[DF] [DF][DF][A,EG]`[A,EG]| % [V:1][L:1/16] A2|(6:4:6d^cd`ABc (6:4:6dag``fed (6:4:6^cde``ABc |(6:4:6d^cf`efe (6:4:6a^gad'^c'd' f'2 z2 |\ (6:4:6bab``d'c'b (6:4:6agf``efg (6:4:6 fed`^cde |(6:4:6dfa``fad' d4z2 || [V:2][L:1/8] z | D```[DF][DF]`[DF][AEG][A,EG] | [D2F2] z2 [K:bass] z (3G,/A,/=B,/ |\ G,2 A,2 A,,2 | D,2 (6:4:6D,,/F,,/A,/D,/A,,/F,,/ D,,|| (You will need to do a bit of editing to get the abc to align the way you like it though.) Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
On 5 Dec 2004, at 19:30, RWW Taylor wrote: The back-quote character appears on the standard Mac keyboard on the upper-leftmost key, above the tab very convenient. On my G4 PowerBook it's the key to the left of the Z, so I guess it's not really standardised, even on the same platform. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Remo D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Bernard Hill wrote: But what's the apostrophe for? And what ascii character is it and how is it produced on keyboards anyway? It's a back quote (ASCII 96) according the 2.0 draft is to be ignored: A`B is equivalent to AB. Whew. I thought I had missed something important. On Dos/Win platform you can get it with Alt+96 (on the numeric keypad). No idea on Mac. I wonder why it was in the list supplied... -- Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians for musicians http://www.braeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
The code: (6abc``def is (normally) interpreted as 6 notes in the time of 2 notes. I know. It shouldn't be, that's nothing like normal musical practice. Try use a more precise syntax for tuplets, like: (6:4abc``def which stands for 6 notes in the time of 4 notes; or the complete form: (6:4:6abc``def Here are the results of my attempts to get round this. (It's rhythmically more complicated than I thought at first - the sextuplets are really 2+2+2, not 3+3, so it's a three-against- two pattern throughout - I've revised the spacing to reflect that). Taking just the first four bars of the upper voice: X:1 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (var 4) 1st try C:Domenico Corri % display correct; plays at double speed M:3/4 L:1/16 Q:1/4=90 K:D Minor A2|(6d^c`dA`Bc (6da``gf```ed (6^cd`eA`Bc|(6d^c`fe``fe (6a^g`ad'`^c'd' f'2 z2 | (6c=B`ce`de (6g^f`gc'`=bc'd'2 z2 |(6d^c`dA`=Bc (6da``gf```ed (6cd`eA`Bc| X:2 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (var 4) 2nd try C:Domenico Corri M:3/4 L:1/16 % a hack, the rhythm is wrong for a human player % plays at the right speed, but only half the triplet signs display Q:1/4=90 K:D Minor A2|(3d^cd`(3ABc (3dag``(3fed (3^cde``(3ABc|(3d^cf`(3efe (3a^ga`(3d'^c'd' f'2 z2 | (3c=Bc`(3ede (3g^fg`(3c'=bc' d'2z2 |(3d^cd`(3A=Bc (3dag``(3fed (3cde`(3ABc| X:3 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (var 4) 3rd try C:Domenico Corri M:3/4 L:1/16 % display totally messed up, playback wrong, it's not reading (6:4 as (6:4:6 Q:1/4=90 K:D Minor A2|(6:4d^c`dA`Bc (6:4da``gf```ed (6:4^cd`eA`Bc|(6:4d^c`fe``fe (6:4a^g`ad'^c'd' f'2 z2 | (6:4c=B`ce`de (6:4g^f`gc'`=bc' d'2 z2 |(6:4d^c`dA`=Bc (6:4da` gf``ed (6:4cd`eA`Bc| X:4 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (var 4) 4th try C:Domenico Corri M:3/4 L:1/16 % ludicrously verbose and unreadable; display and playback correct Q:1/4=90 K:D Minor A2|(6:4:6d^c`dA`Bc (6:4:6da``gf```ed (6:4:6^cd`eA`Bc|(6:4:6d^c`f`e``fe (6:4:6a^g`ad'^c'd' f'2 z2 | (6:4:6c=B`ce`de (6:4:6g^f`gc'`=bc'd'2 z2 |(6:4:6d^c`d`A =Bc (6:4:6da``gf``ed (6:4:6cd`eA`Bc| X:5 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (var 4) 5th try C:Domenico Corri M:3/4 L:1/16 % working round the verbosity with a macro hack m:s = (6:4:6 Q:1/4=90 K:D Minor A2|sd^c`dA`Bc sda``gfed s^cd`eA`Bc|sd^c`fe``fe sa^g`ad'^c'd' f'2 z2 | sc=B`ce`de sg^f`g`c'`=bc' d'2 z2 |sd^c`dA`=Bc sda``gf``ed scd`eA`Bc| X:6 T:Oh Callar Spirlings (var 4) 6th try C:Domenico Corri M:9/8 % rewrites the original but possibly a better solution in this case L:1/16 Q:3/8=90 K:D Minor A2|d^c`dA`Bc da``gfed ^cd`eA`Bc|d^c`fe``fe a^g`ad'^c'd' f'3 z3 | c=B`ce`de g^f`g`c'`=bc' d'3 z3 |d^c`dA`=Bc da``gf``ed cd`eA`Bc| Who on earth would expect the note lengths in (6abcdef to be different from those in (3abc(3def ? This is just a glaring bug in the standard, no pre-existing notation works that way. : The back-quote character appears on the standard Mac keyboard on the : upper-leftmost key, above the tab - very convenient. The character : does appear to be just ignored [...] : The effect is to allow inclusion of a visual marker where emphasis : might be needed - could be useful. Not so much emphasis as a substitute for a non-breaking space (which can't be done portably, though most character sets have a code for one somewhere). I suggested it because it was the nearest-to-invisible character we had left in ASCII. (The alternative would have been to let people use their native non- breaking space and let conversion utilities sort out the OS and font dependencies - if our experience with line breaks is anything to go by, that would have had John Chambers chewing the carpet). - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack * food intolerance data recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files, and my CD-ROM Embro, Embro. -- off-list mail to j-c rather than abc at this site, please -- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] tuplet beaming
% display totally messed up, playback wrong, it's not reading (6:4 as (6:4:6 You need both colons; (6, (6:: and (6:4: are all legal, 6:4 isn't. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Yet another text based Music typesetting program
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: Anyone here who ever tried Philips Music Writer (pmw) ? I recently discovered it on http://www.quercite.com/pmw.html and it looks really powerful. I have built an RPM package from it on my Linux Fedora Core 2 system, and was wondering if anyone is interested. If so, I can polish it a bit and make it available for everyone to download. The link to www.quercite.com seems to be dead at this moment, I hope temporarily. But I have built an RPM package on my Linux Redhat FC2 system. After installing it, pmw should be ready to use. Maybe people who are using another RPM based linux flavour (like Suse or Mandrake) are willing to give it a try and let me know if it installs and runs without problems on these systems also. If not, feel free to download the source RPM and try to build an RPM for your system. You can download the RPM and SRPM from here: http://www.home.zonnet.nl/m.tarenskeen/download/linux/ -- Martin Tarenskeen To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Yet another text based Music typesetting program
And if anyone needs it, I've built Windows binaries. Just drop me an email and I'll send them to whoever is interested. R.D. Martin Tarenskeen wrote: But I have built an RPM package on my Linux Redhat FC2 system. After installing it, pmw should be ready to use. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Finale GHB
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian M. Cepel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Any workaround to Finale's inablity to play GBH music (ornamentations gracenotes) as they should sound in GBH music? LOL! I think you mean GHB - Great Highland Bagpipe. GBH means Grievous Bodily Harm. On second thoughts... -- Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians for musicians http://www.braeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Finale GHB
On 3 Dec 2004, at 08:52, Bernard Hill wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian M. Cepel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Any workaround to Finale's inablity to play GBH music (ornamentations gracenotes) as they should sound in GBH music? LOL! I think you mean GHB - Great Highland Bagpipe. GBH means Grievous Bodily Harm. All the Brits here will have been tickled by that. If you get drunk, get into a fight and hit somebody with a bottle, he ends up in hospital and you end up in a prison cell. GBH is what you get charged with. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Finale GHB
Wow you guys are brutal ... get in a fight and you get sent to jail with bagpipe music (snicker, snicker). At 03:15 AM 12/3/2004, you wrote: On 3 Dec 2004, at 08:52, Bernard Hill wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian M. Cepel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Any workaround to Finale's inablity to play GBH music (ornamentations gracenotes) as they should sound in GBH music? LOL! I think you mean GHB - Great Highland Bagpipe. GBH means Grievous Bodily Harm. All the Brits here will have been tickled by that. If you get drunk, get into a fight and hit somebody with a bottle, he ends up in hospital and you end up in a prison cell. GBH is what you get charged with. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Finale GHB
There are some people (we call them music lovers) who might argue that the letter switch was quite appropriate :) sorry, couldn't resist. Guy Phil Taylor wrote: On 3 Dec 2004, at 08:52, Bernard Hill wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian M. Cepel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Any workaround to Finale's inablity to play GBH music (ornamentations gracenotes) as they should sound in GBH music? LOL! I think you mean GHB - Great Highland Bagpipe. GBH means Grievous Bodily Harm. All the Brits here will have been tickled by that. If you get drunk, get into a fight and hit somebody with a bottle, he ends up in hospital and you end up in a prison cell. GBH is what you get charged with. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] GHB ... it gets worse ...
A little dyslexia can get you in a whole lot trouble ... something about drugs, bagpipes and fighting in the UK hmm ...awareness about the dangers of GHB and its analogs- gamma hydroxy butyrate or maybe those who don't have GHB get into fights and get booked on GBH after being exposed to Great Highland Bagpipes, LOL. Don
Re: [abcusers] Gscore 0.0.7 released
Sébastien Tricaud wrote: Hi folks, Gscore is a musical score editor. Looks interesting! I'd like to try it, do you have a precompiled Win version? I promise I'll install Scons and GTK library to try compile it myself but I'm sure it won't be in a short time! R.D To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)
John Chambers writes: Hmmm ... I see conflicting evidence here. If he's an academic, he should be completely at home with no-holds-barred discussions. Things like misattribution of quotes, quoting out of context, and blatant misrepresentation of others' ideas are the order of the day in most of academia, and especially in fields such as archaeology. Perhaps it's because he's still working on a degree. Students tend to be somewhat isolated from this kind of academic banter, in my experience at least (except, of course, from their thesis advisor and from other students). This is partly because potting students is not sporting, and partly because, once they get a paying job, they tend to put on weight and slow down, and become easier targets. Even then, it all depends on the context. Take a typical innocent everyday academic remark, such as I've carefully considered your position, and for reasons A, B, and C, I've decided it has no merit whatsoever. When said in conversation in an office in front of a blackboard, it means, I'm skeptical. Please convince me you are right, after all. A, B, and C may help. However, the same statement published in an academic journal means I want to have a lifelong feud with you. And then there's email, where the sender thinks of it as a conversation, and the receiver thinks of it as a publication... Cheers, John Walsh To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] OT: Academia
At 03:32 PM 12/1/2004, John Chambers wrote: snip After getting some Math and Comp Sci degrees, I hung around in academia for a decade working on a couple of interesting projects. Then I decided to join the Real World. It took several years to learn how to deal with the easily-bruised egos in that you find there. I still tend to think of business folks as utter wimps compared to the folks in academia. Interesting that I should come across a particular used book today. The jacket has a caricature of a appropriately-dressed, medieval-looking fellow peering into a mirror; The book is: Is My Armor On Straight? - A Year in the Life of a University President by Richard Berendzen, American University, Washington DC. Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)
hi there, i've just subscribed and i would like to ask e couple of questions. 1. how do i specify an instrument to be used when converting abc to midi? 2. i threw an eye on the abc 2.0 specs. is it a standard already or just a draft? thank you all, vasili. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)
On Dec 2, 2004, at 2:24 PM, John Walsh wrote: John Chambers writes: Hmmm ... I see conflicting evidence here. If he's an academic, he should be completely at home with no-holds-barred discussions. Things like misattribution of quotes, quoting out of context, and blatant misrepresentation of others' ideas are the order of the day in most of academia, and especially in fields such as archaeology. Perhaps it's because he's still working on a degree. Students tend to be somewhat isolated from this kind of academic banter, in my experience at least (except, of course, from their thesis advisor and from other students). This is partly because potting students is not sporting, and partly because, once they get a paying job, they tend to put on weight and slow down, and become easier targets. Even then, it all depends on the context. Take a typical innocent everyday academic remark, such as I've carefully considered your position, and for reasons A, B, and C, I've decided it has no merit whatsoever. When said in conversation in an office in front of a blackboard, it means, I'm skeptical. Please convince me you are right, after all. A, B, and C may help. However, the same statement published in an academic journal means I want to have a lifelong feud with you. Forget all of that. Making big bucks in the real world is far more interesting. Allows me to afford my real life, which is playing music. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
Has anyone mentioned Noteworthy Composer? It's cheap and simple... Sometimes too simple. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Don Parrish-Bell wrote: Here's what I would hope to have (and working properly without an argument!): 1. You can pre-set the key signature, time signature and tempo. 2. You can easily setup multiple staffs 3. You can click on a note value from a menu or toolbar and place it right where you want it. 4. You can double-click that note and change its pitch or duration by either keystrokes or by selecting a new duration (pitch changed by moving the note with the mouse. 5. You can enter notes next to, before on top of (i. e. chords) without any argument or user-friendly intervention. 6. You can save, cut paste, etc. ... all the usual editing features. 7. You can playback at any time without disturbing what you have. 8. The program is allowed to adjust note spacing for best appearance, but gives you the option of altering that to suit your own tastes. There is a program, less known than Finale or Sibelius, and cheaper, that I like very much. It is called Score Perfect Pro, it is made in Germany, and it pretty much does all the things you say you want, and it is very good. Take a look at http://www.scoretec.de I have used it for years (in fact I still do) on my old Atari, but nowadays it is a Windows program. On my linux box I use abcm2ps and also mup (www.arkkra.com). Very powerfull command line and text based apps with very good looking score output. -- Martin Tarenskeen To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Christian Marcus Cepel | And the wrens have returned [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq:12384980 | are nesting; In the hollow of 371 Crown Point, Columbia, MO | that oak where his heart once 65203-2202 573.999.2370 | had been; And he lifts up his Computer Support Specialist, Sr. | arms in a blessing; For being University of Missouri - Columbia | born again. --Rich Mullins To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Finale GHB
I don't know if I've asked this here or not, but there seem to be several Finale folks Any workaround to Finale's inablity to play GBH music (ornamentations gracenotes) as they should sound in GBH music? Further, does anyone have some sort of duration Table for each GHB ornament in case I'd like to try to program them in by hand? I.e., a Hard Throw on D is not a series of straight 32nd notes... These are programmed well into Bagpipe Writer/Reader/etc. I'd like to figure out how to to both enter these for proper playing into Finale, and better yet, I'd like to figure out how to add a macro menu, or plugins to insert them rather than arduously inserting them by hand. I just love how Coda music completely ignores the needs of it's paying customers I've never had an email responded to... There's no real tech support on the site, let alone a forum on Finale. Ooh.. maybe I should make a 'Finale Forum' using Php BB2. I bet a lot of people would like to contribute and share... I wonder if there is one in existance that I've never been able to find. //Christian //Christian -- Christian Marcus Cepel | And the wrens have returned [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq:12384980 | are nesting; In the hollow of 371 Crown Point, Columbia, MO | that oak where his heart once 65203-2202 573.999.2370 | had been; And he lifts up his Computer Support Specialist, Sr. | arms in a blessing; For being University of Missouri - Columbia | born again. --Rich Mullins To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Finale GHB
I got Finale 2004, used it a while and then went back to abc and several different flavors of abc software depending on what I need to do. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Finale GHB
Gidday, I do not know about finale but Electric Pipes recognised abc and is easy to work in for GHB. It is also fairly inexpensive. Karen My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 3907 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com today! To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Gscore 0.0.7 released
Hi folks, Gscore is a musical score editor. It is still early aged, but it allows you to export ABC Music but the import code is here but not working yet :) (wait for the following release, my abc expert is in hollidays). You can get it there: http://www.gscore.org You'll need scons to build it (http://www.scons.org) Enjoy, feel free to give some feedback. Sébastien. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)
John Chambers wrote: Maybe we should invite him back. I've always sorta enjoyed thediscussions that he started. And it's been quiet around here lately,too quiet ...I think Phil Taylor's response to Don's original enquiry neatly illustrated one of the reasons I haven't been around for a while. He started slagging me off as soon as he saw my name before I'd even said anything. I felt in the past that I had been demonised and anything I said would come under attack. It's difficult to reason with people who don't seem to have wasted much time actually reading what I have said before launching in, often quite offensively. Laura Conrad once attacked me for something Phil had said and then had another go at me when I pointed that out. Wil Macaulay attacked me for (as far as I could understand) something he had said himself. You, John, seemed to have a go at me for things that that Italian chap whose name escapes me said. Wendy B(?) finally seemed to recognise that she was criticising me for something I hadn't said but spoilt it by promptly looking around for something else to hit me with. I think ABC is a brilliant invention and I would love to be able to participate and make a contribution but banging your head against a brick wall really is great when you stop. Apart from that, I've spent the last year studying for an MSc in Computing in Archaeology which has kept me fairly busy. For an idea of what I've been up to have a look at - http://www.bryancreer.com/Castle.html No musical content whatsoever. I've just got Jeff's email. Thank's. I'm touched. (Don't say it.) We'll see. Can people please promise to READ WHAT I ACUALLY SAY before laying into me? Bryan
Re: [abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)
On Dec 1, 2004, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart from that, I've spent the last year studying for an MSc in Computing in Archaeology which has kept me fairly busy. For an idea of what I've been up to have a look at - http://www.bryancreer.com/Castle.html You're an academic Bryan? And to think that I respected you up until this point! :-)
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Don Parrish-Bell wrote: Here's what I would hope to have (and working properly without an argument!): 1. You can pre-set the key signature, time signature and tempo. 2. You can easily setup multiple staffs 3. You can click on a note value from a menu or toolbar and place it right where you want it. 4. You can double-click that note and change its pitch or duration by either keystrokes or by selecting a new duration (pitch changed by moving the note with the mouse. 5. You can enter notes next to, before on top of (i. e. chords) without any argument or user-friendly intervention. 6. You can save, cut paste, etc. ... all the usual editing features. 7. You can playback at any time without disturbing what you have. 8. The program is allowed to adjust note spacing for best appearance, but gives you the option of altering that to suit your own tastes. There is a program, less known than Finale or Sibelius, and cheaper, that I like very much. It is called Score Perfect Pro, it is made in Germany, and it pretty much does all the things you say you want, and it is very good. Take a look at http://www.scoretec.de I have used it for years (in fact I still do) on my old Atari, but nowadays it is a Windows program. On my linux box I use abcm2ps and also mup (www.arkkra.com). Very powerfull command line and text based apps with very good looking score output. -- Martin Tarenskeen To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)
Toby Rider wrote: | | Apart from that, I've spent the last year studying for an MSc in | Computing in Archaeology which has kept me fairly busy. For an idea | of what I've been up to have a look at - | http://www.bryancreer.com/Castle.html | | You're an academic Bryan? And to think that I respected you up until | this point! :-) Hmmm ... I see conflicting evidence here. If he's an academic, he should be completely at home with no-holds-barred discussions. Things like misattribution of quotes, quoting out of context, and blatant misrepresentation of others' ideas are the order of the day in most of academia, and especially in fields such as archaeology. So why would Bryan be bothered when relative amateurs as musicians and software geeks do the same sort of thing? You'd think he wouldn't even notice such things, familiar as he must be with them from his academic life. After getting some Math and Comp Sci degrees, I hung around in academia for a decade working on a couple of interesting projects. Then I decided to join the Real World. It took several years to learn how to deal with the easily-bruised egos in that you find there. I still tend to think of business folks as utter wimps compared to the folks in academia. I've come to appreciate this as one of the reasons that we have such crappy commercial software. It was all developed in an environment where even the most carefully-phrased criticism or warning causes panic and a desire to quiet the complainer, rather than arguing back. They'd never survive a week in academia. ;-) Then there's the way that musicians normally treat each other ... To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Don Parrish-Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes No offense, Bernard, but $170.00 is more than I paid for Sibelius G7. I do like that you said it never argues with you ... definitely something in its favor! Then I don't know where you got your Sibelius from. The current UK price is 599 pounds, around $1100: or with discounts of around 25% is the best you can find. Or is the G7 some sort of cut down version which I've not heard of? Any chance you or a representative will be at Winter NAMM in Anaheim this year? No, sorry. A 2-person family operation precludes overseas shows. -- Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians for musicians http://www.braeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)
On 30 Nov 2004, at 06:52, Don Whitener wrote: I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has not posted to this group since early August 2003... Has he dropped out for a while? He does rather tend to drop out for long periods of time, then return to start a mighty argument. You may find him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: Bryan Creer (?)
Don Whitener wrote - So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has not posted to this group since early August 2003... Has he dropped out for a while? Thanks for asking Don. It's nice to be missed. Phil Taylor wrote - He does rather tend to drop out for long periods of time, then return to start a mighty argument.On the contrary. I make positive, constructive suggestions and then other people start a mighty argument. Bryan Creer
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
Yes, G7 is geared towards guitar and costs around $100.00 here. The full-blown version of Sibelius is around $600.00 here, I think, but they offer 50% off for music educators. I am SO thankful I didn't go for the full-blown version! Seems ridiculous to charge that much more for something that you download off of the web! And even shipping a CD and manual can't be that much more can it? No wonder so many of you in the UK are developing your own software! Then I don't know where you got your Sibelius from. The current UK price is 599 pounds, around $1100: or with discounts of around 25% is the best you can find. Or is the G7 some sort of cut down version which I've not heard of? Any chance you or a representative will be at Winter NAMM in Anaheim this year? That's too bad. NAMM is an amazing event ... Toyland for musicians! No, sorry. A 2-person family operation precludes overseas shows. BTW I did try to download your eval. version but it seemed to crash half-way through. I'm not sure if that was a problem on your end or ours. I will try again later. thanks for all your help! Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
Have you tried my program HARMONY? If so, what does it not do, that you need? Neil Jennings www.greenhedges.com Don Parrish-Bell wrote: I have played a bit with Harmony Assistant and it does indeed look promising ... It's author wants $70.00 for it, which is probably not too bad, but I hate to jump into another program without even knowing how its printed output will look. The eval. version is very wounded can't save, can't print. I can understand they don't want to give it all away, but that is how I got stuck with G7. Sibelius' demo looks good, but only after buying and working with it a bit have I found out how much I hate it! Today's feature, for example I have a simple piece of music that's in 4/4. The first measure has a dotted quarter note, then an eight note, another dotted quarter and an eighth note. G7 lets me place the dotted quarter, fights, but ultimately allows entering the 1st eight note. It allows me to place the next dotted quarter, but then deletes the dot when I enter the last eighth note. Now, I'm assuming that my arithmetic (and that of the original author of the 16th century piece) is correct ... that a dotted quarter = 3 eighth notes, 2 of those make up 6 possible eighth note spots and 2 eighth notes finish it off for a complete measure without any rests. G7 also has this weird ghost-note thing that once it puts those in you can't delete them. (I'm really looking forward to a little discussion with those people at NAMM this year!). Don At 03:32 AM 11/17/2004, you wrote: From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] The OP wanted graphical input. Not many abc programs will do that - offhand I can only think of MUSE, which is very out of date and whose author is now sadly deceased. Harmony Assistant would be worth a try as a program to match his requirements. http://www.myriad-online.com/en/products/harmony.htm Jon To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
Got it installed and gave it a quick go. Here's what I've found so far: 1. Can't seem to specify the key before you start. 2. Transpose seems to cause an error unless there are some notes placed. Once a few notes were placed, it seemed to ignore the transpose operation. 3. Note entry is clumsy ... score starts with all rests then you have to right-click on a rest and change it to a note. 4. Doesn't seem like you can move notes with the mouse ... had to change pitch with the right-click method. Granted this is only with a 10 minute session, so I'm probably not up to speed on some of the more salient features. Here's what I would hope to have (and working properly without an argument!): 1. You can pre-set the key signature, time signature and tempo. 2. You can easily setup multiple staffs 3. You can click on a note value from a menu or toolbar and place it right where you want it. 4. You can double-click that note and change its pitch or duration by either keystrokes or by selecting a new duration (pitch changed by moving the note with the mouse. 5. You can enter notes next to, before on top of (i. e. chords) without any argument or user-friendly intervention. 6. You can save, cut paste, etc. ... all the usual editing features. 7. You can playback at any time without disturbing what you have. 8. The program is allowed to adjust note spacing for best appearance, but gives you the option of altering that to suit your own tastes. Do I ask too much? The $20.00 MusicTime program that I got several years back seemed to do all of this ... not without a few quirks here and there though. My short chat with Laurie was about MusicTime. He told me that he started with that MusicTime program when developing his MUSE program. Don At 11:03 AM 11/30/2004, you wrote: Have you tried my program HARMONY? If so, what does it not do, that you need? Neil Jennings www.greenhedges.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
Hi, Yes, there are a few things you can do. a) Specify 0 bars on the New FIle form, then it doesn't fill with rests. You can then drag and drop new notes which are added at the end of the score by default b) Edit the key using the mouse menu. Maybe I can add this to the new file form c) Agreed, you can't move notes. That is REAL heavyweight programming. d) To set multiple staffs, you have to add voices, and then use Open Score mode. This is necessary because of the need to keep sounds in sync with score e) to place a note where you want it, drag from the toobar onto an existing note. It will be placed after it. f) You can play back at any time - try it g) Copy, cut and paste DO work if notes are selected first h) You can adjust spacing, by inserting special commands, but these have to be added in text edit mode. Hope this helps, and I can always make improvements if possible Neil Don Parrish-Bell wrote: Got it installed and gave it a quick go. Here's what I've found so far: 1. Can't seem to specify the key before you start. 2. Transpose seems to cause an error unless there are some notes placed. Once a few notes were placed, it seemed to ignore the transpose operation. 3. Note entry is clumsy ... score starts with all rests then you have to right-click on a rest and change it to a note. 4. Doesn't seem like you can move notes with the mouse ... had to change pitch with the right-click method. Granted this is only with a 10 minute session, so I'm probably not up to speed on some of the more salient features. Here's what I would hope to have (and working properly without an argument!): 1. You can pre-set the key signature, time signature and tempo. 2. You can easily setup multiple staffs 3. You can click on a note value from a menu or toolbar and place it right where you want it. 4. You can double-click that note and change its pitch or duration by either keystrokes or by selecting a new duration (pitch changed by moving the note with the mouse. 5. You can enter notes next to, before on top of (i. e. chords) without any argument or user-friendly intervention. 6. You can save, cut paste, etc. ... all the usual editing features. 7. You can playback at any time without disturbing what you have. 8. The program is allowed to adjust note spacing for best appearance, but gives you the option of altering that to suit your own tastes. Do I ask too much? The $20.00 MusicTime program that I got several years back seemed to do all of this ... not without a few quirks here and there though. My short chat with Laurie was about MusicTime. He told me that he started with that MusicTime program when developing his MUSE program. Don At 11:03 AM 11/30/2004, you wrote: Have you tried my program HARMONY? If so, what does it not do, that you need? Neil Jennings www.greenhedges.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
You may have a try with MusiCAD 3.0 beta. It uses abc as its 'second language' for import/export and adheres (more or less) to the 2.0 draft spec. see http://www.musicad.com for more info and download. Arent To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)
Phil Taylor writes: | On 30 Nov 2004, at 06:52, Don Whitener wrote: | I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies | should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has | not posted to this group since early August 2003... Has he dropped out | for a while? | | He does rather tend to drop out for long periods of time, then return | to start a mighty argument. | You may find him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we should invite him back. I've always sorta enjoyed the discussions that he started. And it's been quiet around here lately, too quiet ... ;-) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)
At 06:54 PM 11/30/2004, John Chambers wrote: Phil Taylor writes: | On 30 Nov 2004, at 06:52, Don Whitener wrote: | I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies | should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has | not posted to this group since early August 2003... Has he dropped out | for a while? | | He does rather tend to drop out for long periods of time, then return | to start a mighty argument. | You may find him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we should invite him back. I've always sorta enjoyed the discussions that he started. And it's been quiet around here lately, too quiet ... I don't post a lot, but I do love to read... When people don't 'discuss', it slows the learning it does. Thanks to you all, and Hello Bryan. Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)
On Nov 30, 2004, at 7:54 PM, John Chambers wrote: Phil Taylor writes: | On 30 Nov 2004, at 06:52, Don Whitener wrote: | I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies | should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has | not posted to this group since early August 2003... Has he dropped out | for a while? | | He does rather tend to drop out for long periods of time, then return | to start a mighty argument. | You may find him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe we should invite him back. I've always sorta enjoyed the discussions that he started. And it's been quiet around here lately, too quiet ... Maybe?! Brian, you are invited and welcome here. Please don't stay away. We miss you. :-P To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
I have played a bit with Harmony Assistant and it does indeed look promising ... It's author wants $70.00 for it, which is probably not too bad, but I hate to jump into another program without even knowing how its printed output will look. The eval. version is very wounded can't save, can't print. I can understand they don't want to give it all away, but that is how I got stuck with G7. Sibelius' demo looks good, but only after buying and working with it a bit have I found out how much I hate it! Today's feature, for example I have a simple piece of music that's in 4/4. The first measure has a dotted quarter note, then an eight note, another dotted quarter and an eighth note. G7 lets me place the dotted quarter, fights, but ultimately allows entering the 1st eight note. It allows me to place the next dotted quarter, but then deletes the dot when I enter the last eighth note. Now, I'm assuming that my arithmetic (and that of the original author of the 16th century piece) is correct ... that a dotted quarter = 3 eighth notes, 2 of those make up 6 possible eighth note spots and 2 eighth notes finish it off for a complete measure without any rests. G7 also has this weird ghost-note thing that once it puts those in you can't delete them. (I'm really looking forward to a little discussion with those people at NAMM this year!). Don At 03:32 AM 11/17/2004, you wrote: From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] The OP wanted graphical input. Not many abc programs will do that - offhand I can only think of MUSE, which is very out of date and whose author is now sadly deceased. Harmony Assistant would be worth a try as a program to match his requirements. http://www.myriad-online.com/en/products/harmony.htm Jon To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
Isn't xemacs a unix only kind of thing? Not familiar with it, but I remember the emacs editor from years ago. Don At 02:51 AM 11/17/2004, you wrote: xemacs with abc-mode.el and then e.g. abcm2ps to produce printed output To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
I did have a brief chat with Laurie before his demise. That was quite a loss to the world. He was very gracious and helpful. It's a shame MUSE has not been picked up by someone else to support. It's still listed on Hitsquad and Harmony-Central. The OP wanted graphical input. Not many abc programs will do that - offhand I can only think of MUSE, which is very out of date and whose author is now sadly deceased. abc is simple enough, I just don't want to have yet another level of abstraction to go through in improving my music reading skills. If you can get to grips with learning abc, then using a text editor plus various free abc tools will do everything you want. Upon further inspection, I see that Guitar Studio is only a tabulature entry tool, so it doesn't do if for me either. Or maybe someone can tell me how I go about buying Guitar Studio (whose author wants to be paid in Euros) from California? You can pay for it in dollars ($40) using the online registration page: Thanks for your suggestions, Phil. Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
No offense, Bernard, but $170.00 is more than I paid for Sibelius G7. I do like that you said it never argues with you ... definitely something in its favor! Any chance you or a representative will be at Winter NAMM in Anaheim this year? Don You might want to look at my Music Publisher 5 (for Windows). http://www.muspub.com It does most of what you list and never argues with you. It is basically a DTP system for music in the sense that it puts notation on the page and if it's wrong or bad notation then it's your problem. It will not reformat without you explicitly telling it to. Basically it's a replacement for paper and pencil but of course a lot more :-) Lacking from the above list of requirements: a) no midi input (yet) - but it has midi output. b) postscript output: no, but it can produce bmp or pcx graphics files or (of course) print to any windows printer. c) abc import/export is limited basically to the old version 1 standard, with some extensions in v2. Notably missing are lyrics and separate voices. (Of course the *program* handles those but the export does not) d) No file conversions, but conversion is simplest performed by scanning-in a printout of the other music using an extra scanning module (MP Scan 2). Price is 115 pounds or $170US. MP Scan 2 is 75 pounds or $112.50 The evaluation copy does not expire, but it simply prints across the output this is an evaluation copy printout. -- Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians for musicians http://www.braeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
Do you use MS Windows, isn't it? Look at: http://www.xemacs.org/ http://www.xemacs.org/Download/index.html (for XEmacs) and http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html (GNU Emacs). Also get and read the emacs tutorials. The keystrokes are very different from MS-Windows ones. Another option for editor is WJed with abc mode. See http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/ to get it. Or yet GVim. The Windows port is very fine, and a simple abc mode accompanies the standard package. I use GNU Emacs with abcmode.el (see also the abctabmode.el) and abcm2ps on a GNU/Linux OS. Additionally, abcMIDI package and runabc (a graphical front-end to abc software) will be useful. Hudson Lacerda Em 29 Nov 2004, [Don Parrish-Bell] escreveu: Isn't xemacs a unix only kind of thing? Not familiar with it, but I remember the emacs editor from years ago. Don At 02:51 AM 11/17/2004, you wrote: xemacs with abc-mode.el and then e.g. abcm2ps to produce printed output To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- _ Quer mais velocidade? Só com o acesso Aditivado iG, a velocidade que você quer na hora que você precisa. Clique aqui: http://www.acessoaditivado.ig.com.br
[abcusers] Bryan Creer (?)
I have been out of touch lately, so I offer my sincere apologies should I blunder onto any toes. So far as I can tell, Bryan Creer has not posted to this group since early August 2003... Has he dropped out for a while? Best regards, Don To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Lilypond to ABC converter
Hi, Is there anybody working on a Lilypond to ABC converter? Regards, Luis Pablo To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Lilypond to ABC converter
Luis == Luis Pablo Gasparotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Luis Is there anybody working on a Lilypond to ABC converter? Why would you want to go that way? Just write it in ABC in the first place. Then use the abc to lilypond converter if you want to add some of the information that lilypond stores and ABC (at least standard ABC) doesn't. Or is there some trove of lilypond somewhere that you want to manipulate in ABC? -- Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] , http://www.laymusic.org/ ) (617) 661-8097 fax: (501) 641-5011 233 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Lilypond to ABC converter
Laura, I have a few tunes I typed in Lilypond and I would like to convert them to ABC because is more readable. Regards, Luis Pablo Laura Conrad wrote: "Luis" == Luis Pablo Gasparotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Luis Is there anybody working on a Lilypond to ABC converter? Why would you want to go that way? Just write it in ABC in the first place. Then use the abc to lilypond converter if you want to add some of the information that lilypond stores and ABC (at least "standard" ABC) doesn't. Or is there some trove of lilypond somewhere that you want to manipulate in ABC?
[abcusers] Yet another text based Music typesetting program
Anyone here who ever tried Philips Music Writer (pmw) ? I recently discovered it on http://www.quercite.com/pwm.html and it looks really powerful. I have built an RPM package from it on my Linux Fedora Core 2 system, and was wondering if anyone is interested. If so, I can polish it a bit and make it available for everyone to download. -- Martin Tarenskeen To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: [mup-users] Yet another text based Music typesetting programmup-u
On Thursday 25 Nov 2004 20:52, Martin Tarenskeen wrote: Anyone here who ever tried Philips Music Writer (pmw) ? I recently discovered it on http://www.quercite.com/pwm.html and it looks really Typo. Should be http://www.quercite.com/pmw.html -- Martin Tarenskeen To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] New version of HARMONY, with improved graphical editing
News Flash A new version of HARMONYis now available a my web site www.greenhedges.com This features drag and drop of chord names from the toolbar onto notes, and also drag and drop of accidentals. Watch out for further improvements in this area, such as floating toolboxes! Neil Neil Jennings wrote: Have you looked at my program HARMONY? It can do a lot of what you want, including points 1,2,3,5,6,8,and 9, and can write the result in abc format I am currently updating the notation entry by adding drag and drop from toolbars - some of this is already in place. Don Parrish-Bell wrote: This is probably off-topic, but I think the people on this list would be most qualified to help me! I have given up on Sibelius G7 as being tolerable as a notation entry tool! It fights everything you try to do! I was wondering if anyone on the list has a recommendation for a program that allows entering notation graphically for classical guitar compositions? Here's a list of basic features I'm looking for: 1. Allows entering multiple voices without messing with what you enter (unless you ask it to!) 2. Allows playing back your composition at any point without altering what you have entered. 3. Allows easy Microsoft Windows type editing features (cut, paste, copy, etc.) without messing up what you have already entered or without automatically inserting or deleting measures. 4. It would be nice to be able to convert to and from tabulature. 5. Allows entering key and time signatures wherever you need them without messing up what you have already entered. 6. Allows entering lyrics, fingering, chord symbols, etc. without messing up what you have already entered. 7. Allows printing out postscript (or other form that an HP laser printer will accept). 8. Allows MIDI input and output. 9. Some file conversion utilities (other formats to its native one, and vice versa). You'd think any of the programs out there would allow you to do these things. Am I just asking too much? I just want a tool that is just that ... a tool, not a monster with a mind of its own that you spend 99% of your time fighting with to do a simple task! I do skim through the groups e-mails from time to time, and I do appreciate all everyone is doing on ABC format. But ABC format doesn't help with my music reading skills (sorry if I am missing someone's graphical notation efforts). Does anyone have some recommendations for me? Or maybe someone can tell me how I go about buying Guitar Studio (whose author wants to be paid in Euros) from California? I appreciate any help I can get! Thank you, Don Parrish-Bell To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
xemacs with abc-mode.el and then e.g. abcm2ps to produce printed output --On Friday, November 12, 2004 13:07:06 -0800 Don Parrish-Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is probably off-topic, but I think the people on this list would be most qualified to help me! I have given up on Sibelius G7 as being tolerable as a notation entry tool! It fights everything you try to do! I was wondering if anyone on the list has a recommendation for a program that allows entering notation graphically for classical guitar compositions? Here's a list of basic features I'm looking for: 1. Allows entering multiple voices without messing with what you enter (unless you ask it to!) 2. Allows playing back your composition at any point without altering what you have entered. 3. Allows easy Microsoft Windows type editing features (cut, paste, copy, etc.) without messing up what you have already entered or without automatically inserting or deleting measures. 4. It would be nice to be able to convert to and from tabulature. 5. Allows entering key and time signatures wherever you need them without messing up what you have already entered. 6. Allows entering lyrics, fingering, chord symbols, etc. without messing up what you have already entered. 7. Allows printing out postscript (or other form that an HP laser printer will accept). 8. Allows MIDI input and output. 9. Some file conversion utilities (other formats to its native one, and vice versa). You'd think any of the programs out there would allow you to do these things. Am I just asking too much? I just want a tool that is just that ... a tool, not a monster with a mind of its own that you spend 99% of your time fighting with to do a simple task! I do skim through the groups e-mails from time to time, and I do appreciate all everyone is doing on ABC format. But ABC format doesn't help with my music reading skills (sorry if I am missing someone's graphical notation efforts). Does anyone have some recommendations for me? Or maybe someone can tell me how I go about buying Guitar Studio (whose author wants to be paid in Euros) from California? I appreciate any help I can get! Thank you, Don Parrish-Bell To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html Iain (Jethro) Anderson - DBA (ISYS) University of Bristol Never give a sword to a man who can't dance To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
On 17 Nov 2004, at 10:51, Iain (Jethro) Anderson wrote: xemacs with abc-mode.el and then e.g. abcm2ps to produce printed output The OP wanted graphical input. Not many abc programs will do that - offhand I can only think of MUSE, which is very out of date and whose author is now sadly deceased. If you can get to grips with learning abc, then using a text editor plus various free abc tools will do everything you want. Or maybe someone can tell me how I go about buying Guitar Studio (whose author wants to be paid in Euros) from California? You can pay for it in dollars ($40) using the online registration page: http://nmanel.free.fr/en_gs_commande.html Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
From: Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] The OP wanted graphical input. Not many abc programs will do that - offhand I can only think of MUSE, which is very out of date and whose author is now sadly deceased. Harmony Assistant would be worth a try as a program to match his requirements. http://www.myriad-online.com/en/products/harmony.htm Jon To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
--On Friday, November 12, 2004 13:07:06 -0800 Don Parrish-Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is probably off-topic, but I think the people on this list would be most qualified to help me! I have given up on Sibelius G7 as being tolerable as a notation entry tool! It fights everything you try to do! I was wondering if anyone on the list has a recommendation for a program that allows entering notation graphically for classical guitar compositions? Here's a list of basic features I'm looking for: 1. Allows entering multiple voices without messing with what you enter (unless you ask it to!) 2. Allows playing back your composition at any point without altering what you have entered. 3. Allows easy Microsoft Windows type editing features (cut, paste, copy, etc.) without messing up what you have already entered or without automatically inserting or deleting measures. 4. It would be nice to be able to convert to and from tabulature. 5. Allows entering key and time signatures wherever you need them without messing up what you have already entered. 6. Allows entering lyrics, fingering, chord symbols, etc. without messing up what you have already entered. 7. Allows printing out postscript (or other form that an HP laser printer will accept). 8. Allows MIDI input and output. 9. Some file conversion utilities (other formats to its native one, and vice versa). You'd think any of the programs out there would allow you to do these things. Am I just asking too much? I just want a tool that is just that ... a tool, not a monster with a mind of its own that you spend 99% of your time fighting with to do a simple task! I do skim through the groups e-mails from time to time, and I do appreciate all everyone is doing on ABC format. But ABC format doesn't help with my music reading skills (sorry if I am missing someone's graphical notation efforts). Does anyone have some recommendations for me? You might want to look at my Music Publisher 5 (for Windows). http://www.muspub.com It does most of what you list and never argues with you. It is basically a DTP system for music in the sense that it puts notation on the page and if it's wrong or bad notation then it's your problem. It will not reformat without you explicitly telling it to. Basically it's a replacement for paper and pencil but of course a lot more :-) Lacking from the above list of requirements: a) no midi input (yet) - but it has midi output. b) postscript output: no, but it can produce bmp or pcx graphics files or (of course) print to any windows printer. c) abc import/export is limited basically to the old version 1 standard, with some extensions in v2. Notably missing are lyrics and separate voices. (Of course the *program* handles those but the export does not) d) No file conversions, but conversion is simplest performed by scanning-in a printout of the other music using an extra scanning module (MP Scan 2). Price is 115 pounds or $170US. MP Scan 2 is 75 pounds or $112.50 The evaluation copy does not expire, but it simply prints across the output this is an evaluation copy printout. -- Bernard Hill Braeburn Software Author of Music Publisher system Music Software written by musicians for musicians http://www.braeburn.co.uk Selkirk, Scotland To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: jaabc2ps question
Richard Walker writes: I attempted to print instrument names associated with each voice as follows: V:1 name=Violin Obbligato (abc code for voice 1 here) V:2 name=Chorale (abc code for voice 2 here) V:3 name=Violin Harmony (abc code for voice 3 here) I thought this format is supposed to print the name (Chorale for voice 2) in front to the first occurrence of that staff. Am I doing something incorrectly or have I misunderstood how the name= works? To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html It seems that voice names are not implemented. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
Have you looked at my program HARMONY? It can do a lot of what you want, including points 1,2,3,5,6,8,and 9, and can write the result in abc format I am currently updating the notation entry by adding drag and drop from toolbars - some of this is already in place. Don Parrish-Bell wrote: This is probably off-topic, but I think the people on this list would be most qualified to help me! I have given up on Sibelius G7 as being tolerable as a notation entry tool! It fights everything you try to do! I was wondering if anyone on the list has a recommendation for a program that allows entering notation graphically for classical guitar compositions? Here's a list of basic features I'm looking for: 1. Allows entering multiple voices without messing with what you enter (unless you ask it to!) 2. Allows playing back your composition at any point without altering what you have entered. 3. Allows easy Microsoft Windows type editing features (cut, paste, copy, etc.) without messing up what you have already entered or without automatically inserting or deleting measures. 4. It would be nice to be able to convert to and from tabulature. 5. Allows entering key and time signatures wherever you need them without messing up what you have already entered. 6. Allows entering lyrics, fingering, chord symbols, etc. without messing up what you have already entered. 7. Allows printing out postscript (or other form that an HP laser printer will accept). 8. Allows MIDI input and output. 9. Some file conversion utilities (other formats to its native one, and vice versa). You'd think any of the programs out there would allow you to do these things. Am I just asking too much? I just want a tool that is just that ... a tool, not a monster with a mind of its own that you spend 99% of your time fighting with to do a simple task! I do skim through the groups e-mails from time to time, and I do appreciate all everyone is doing on ABC format. But ABC format doesn't help with my music reading skills (sorry if I am missing someone's graphical notation efforts). Does anyone have some recommendations for me? Or maybe someone can tell me how I go about buying Guitar Studio (whose author wants to be paid in Euros) from California? I appreciate any help I can get! Thank you, Don Parrish-Bell To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
I'd be glad to check it out, Neil. Where do I download it from? Don At 12:26 PM 11/17/2004, you wrote: Have you looked at my program HARMONY? It can do a lot of what you want, including points 1,2,3,5,6,8,and 9, and can write the result in abc format I am currently updating the notation entry by adding drag and drop from toolbars - some of this is already in place. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 20:40:43 -0200, Hudson Lacerda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't see in abcm2ps-4.8.0 documentation an explicit limit for the number of temporary voices, or the difference between and . [snip] Yes, there are many lacks in the abcm2ps documentation! There is no explicit limit to the number of temporary voices except that these ones enter in the voice table which is limited to 32, and that more than 4 voices per staff is not handled. The overlay operator was a proposal from Taral. He thought that the single operator '' could force the stem of the added voice to go down, while '' would let the program to compute it. In abcm2ps, this feature never worked (the stem direction is always computed, and *cannot* be forced - while it may be forced for normal voices by 'V:x stem=up|down|auto'). In the next release, I will remove this '' operator and also make the multi-bar overlay sequence to end only on ')' instead of on a single ')'. -- Ken ar c'hentañ | ** Breizh ha Linux atav! ** | http://moinejf.free.fr/ Pépé Jef| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc2xml
I am currently working on an XML export capability for my program HARMONY, but no promises when it will be ready! Richard Robinson wrote: On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 09:33:25PM +0200, Kristian Nrgaard wrote: Does anyone know if abc2xml is a work in progress? I myself miss support for lyrics, and according to http://home.austin.rr.com/johner/abc2xml/abc2xml.htm#features there are a lot of other limitations. I don't know for sure, but don't have the impression it's being actively maintained. It's buggy, too. Strikes me as one of those little projects that would be more sensible under an open-source license ...
[abcusers] jaabc2ps question
I attempted to print instrument names associated with each voice as follows: V:1 name=Violin Obbligato (abc code for voice 1 here) V:2 name=Chorale (abc code for voice 2 here) V:3 name=Violin Harmony (abc code for voice 3 here) I thought this format is supposed to print the name (Chorale for voice 2) in front to the first occurrence of that staff. Am I doing something incorrectly or have I misunderstood how the name= works? To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator
John Walsh said: For instance, the 2.0 standard says that one should start the overlay at a barline. However, this might force one to extend the segment further than absolutely necessary, particularly if the barlines are sparse. The longer the segment, the harder the proofreading. I'd suggest adding a start/stop character, making it possible to start and end in the middle of a measure, and to continue across barlines. In abc2mtex, it's ; abcm2ps suggests ( and ) for that, and uses for something else. Also, if you look through the archives, you'll find a message that I wrote about the 2.0 spec and overlays. The point being that the () syntax did not conflict with the current syntax and that the example given for voice overlays in the spec was actually incorrect. I think that the spec author (I apologize for not having that handy right now) accepted the () syntax but has not released a new 2.0 spec since the time that we had that discussion. tom -- tom satter - or just plain old tom (303) 543-7623 (home) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator
On 12 Nov 2004, at 02:16, Richard Robinson wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:23:59PM +, Phil Taylor wrote: On 11 Nov 2004, at 20:32, Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi I'm wondering how standard the overlay operator is? Which programs supports the following for instance: L:1/8 | G3G- G2FG [C8D8] | AFAIK only abcm2ps supports it at the moment. I intend to support it in BarFly in due course. abc2mtex did something with it, didn't it ? But I forget the details. Did it really? There's no mention of it in the docs, and I don't have a working copy at the moment to try it out. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 10:35:11AM +, Phil Taylor wrote: On 12 Nov 2004, at 02:16, Richard Robinson wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 11:23:59PM +, Phil Taylor wrote: On 11 Nov 2004, at 20:32, Atte André Jensen wrote: Hi I'm wondering how standard the overlay operator is? Which programs supports the following for instance: L:1/8 | G3G- G2FG [C8D8] | AFAIK only abcm2ps supports it at the moment. I intend to support it in BarFly in due course. abc2mtex did something with it, didn't it ? But I forget the details. Did it really? There's no mention of it in the docs, and I don't have a working copy at the moment to try it out. From usrguide.tex :- the character is carried straight through to the TeX output and the characters produce a \enotes\notes pair. Thus the input DEFG ABcd A4 e2 c2| produces [2 staves] To explain this to those unfamiliar with MusicTeX, the DEFG are put on the lowest stave. The then tells MusicTeX to move up a stave, where it puts the ABcd. The first notes of each group are aligned. The (or a bar line) moves the output back down to the lowest stave and resets the alignment, so that in this case, the A4 is on the lower stave, and is aligned with the e2 on the upper stave. ah ... related, then, but not altogether similiar. -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] JC's tune finder mirrors?
The mirror cited here works fine for me, at least at the moment. Glad to have this resource functioning again. /RWWT On Friday, November 12, 2004, at 11:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a mirror for JC's Tune Finder (and other scripts) at http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/FindTune.html ? On that page he points to a mirror at http://jc.tzo.net:1742/~jc/music/abc/findtune.html which give a 111 Connection refused message. Maybe it's my firewall at work. Either way, if anyone knows of a functioning mirror to JC's scripts, or something similar, I would be greatly indebted. Thanks, Chris Christopher Myers em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: chrismyers001 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator
On 12 Nov 2004, at 14:07, Richard Robinson wrote: From usrguide.tex :- the character is carried straight through to the TeX output and the characters produce a \enotes\notes pair. Thus the input DEFG ABcd A4 e2 c2| produces [2 staves] To explain this to those unfamiliar with MusicTeX, the DEFG are put on the lowest stave. The then tells MusicTeX to move up a stave, where it puts the ABcd. The first notes of each group are aligned. The (or a bar line) moves the output back down to the lowest stave and resets the alignment, so that in this case, the A4 is on the lower stave, and is aligned with the e2 on the upper stave. ah ... related, then, but not altogether similiar. I see - it's a MusicTex function then, rather than part of abc2mtex? Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Recommendations for graphical entry software
This is probably off-topic, but I think the people on this list would be most qualified to help me! I have given up on Sibelius G7 as being tolerable as a notation entry tool! It fights everything you try to do! I was wondering if anyone on the list has a recommendation for a program that allows entering notation graphically for classical guitar compositions? Here's a list of basic features I'm looking for: 1. Allows entering multiple voices without messing with what you enter (unless you ask it to!) 2. Allows playing back your composition at any point without altering what you have entered. 3. Allows easy Microsoft Windows type editing features (cut, paste, copy, etc.) without messing up what you have already entered or without automatically inserting or deleting measures. 4. It would be nice to be able to convert to and from tabulature. 5. Allows entering key and time signatures wherever you need them without messing up what you have already entered. 6. Allows entering lyrics, fingering, chord symbols, etc. without messing up what you have already entered. 7. Allows printing out postscript (or other form that an HP laser printer will accept). 8. Allows MIDI input and output. 9. Some file conversion utilities (other formats to its native one, and vice versa). You'd think any of the programs out there would allow you to do these things. Am I just asking too much? I just want a tool that is just that ... a tool, not a monster with a mind of its own that you spend 99% of your time fighting with to do a simple task! I do skim through the groups e-mails from time to time, and I do appreciate all everyone is doing on ABC format. But ABC format doesn't help with my music reading skills (sorry if I am missing someone's graphical notation efforts). Does anyone have some recommendations for me? Or maybe someone can tell me how I go about buying Guitar Studio (whose author wants to be paid in Euros) from California? I appreciate any help I can get! Thank you, Don Parrish-Bell To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator
Richard Robinson writes: abc2mtex did something with it, didn't it ? But I forget the details. Yes, as a matter of fact, it did. I was just thinking that what goes around, comes around, since this is now appearing once again. (By the way, there's no worry about backward compatibility here---not that anyone is worrying about compatibility with abc2mtex anyway---for it was just a hack to make multistaff music possible at that time, and it was soon obsoleted by the V: field. If more than ten people in the world ever used it, I'd be surprised.) Phil Taylor writes: I see - it's a MusicTex function then, rather than part of abc2mtex? Well...it is and it isn't. The is part of musixtex, and the is part of abc2mtex, (which of course translates it into something different in musixtex.) It worked the following way: if one had three voices, say, then the command would toggle the voices in turn, i.e. notes1 notes 2 notes3 would give the notes in the first voice, the parallel notes in the second voice, and ditto in the third. (But an additional would *not* send it back to the first voice---that might be ok for machines, but for humans it's a guaranteed disaster...it would take no time to get completely lost in the voices.) In fact, there was another mechanism for that, which was a start/stop operator, . With this, the above would actually be written notes1 notes 2 notes3 The second resets it to the first voice. Admittedly, when we talk about voice overlay, we are talking about something slightly different from the above. In abc2mtex, the voices were pre-defined in the header, just as the V: field is now. I'll call such voices globally defined. So abc2mtex used it for globally-defined voices. The operator is now being suggested instead for what I might call locally-defined voices, or even implicitly-defined voices, voices which appear suddenly, then disappear after a couple of bars, without ever being defined by a V: field. [Of course it's probably used for other purposes, too...] I have used this machanism a couple of times with abc2mtex---but no more often than I absolutely had to. (Tried it, didn't like it.) The problem is that it is extremely difficult to proofread and correct. I could find a mistake in the staff output, but re-finding it in the abc was another problem. Like as not, I'd end up correcting the wrong notes. And this was with only two voices. Once you've used the character a few times, it's difficult to sort thru all of them to find the spot that you're after. From the number of posts in this thread, it looks as if this is a good feature, and probably deserves some thought, so let me make a couple of observations. From my experience, I'd say that the operative thing here is ease of proofreading and correcting, even more than ease of either writing or reading. For instance, the 2.0 standard says that one should start the overlay at a barline. However, this might force one to extend the segment further than absolutely necessary, particularly if the barlines are sparse. The longer the segment, the harder the proofreading. I'd suggest adding a start/stop character, making it possible to start and end in the middle of a measure, and to continue across barlines. In abc2mtex, it's ; abcm2ps suggests ( and ) for that, and uses for something else. I like that, since the pren tells you if it's the start or end of a segment, and that simplifies finding the critical place in the abc. A couple of questions. If I read the abcm2ps documentation correctly, it's possible to have two implicitly-defined voices on each staff (making three voices in all) one gotten with and the other with . (The limitation seems to come from the need to distinguish voices by note-staff directions.) Is there any need for more than this? The abcm2ps documentation mentions the problem of distinguishing ( from the beginning of a slur, but is that a real problem? Can't one just treat ( as a special case like (3 for a triplet? If it should be absolutely necessary to have a slur just before an , then add a space between them: ( . (Of course, there remains the question of whether that slur applies to one voice, or to all. Hey---that's someone else's problem.) Cheers, John Walsh To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator
John Walsh wrote: [snip] A couple of questions. If I read the abcm2ps documentation correctly, it's possible to have two implicitly-defined voices on each staff (making three voices in all) one gotten with and the other with . (The limitation seems to come from the need to distinguish voices by note-staff directions.) Is there any need for more than this? Four voices in a same staff are very common in guitar pieces (and even in Bach's solo violin pieces), although I don't know a ABC program that can manage that cleanly (abcm2ps is in the way). I don't know what is your abcm2ps version, but with the current version (abcm2ps-4.8.0) this code works fine: X:1 M:3/4 L:1/4 K:C clef=treble c'd'e' cde CDE F,G,A, | I didn't see in abcm2ps-4.8.0 documentation an explicit limit for the number of temporary voices, or the difference between and . This difference is described in the 3.7.1 documentation, but `Note 2' says that was not implemented. `Note 1' is related to the following question: The abcm2ps documentation mentions the problem of distinguishing ( from the beginning of a slur, but is that a real problem? Can't one just treat ( as a special case like (3 for a triplet? If it should be absolutely necessary to have a slur just before an , then add a space between them: ( . (Of course, there remains the question of whether that slur applies to one voice, or to all. Hey---that's someone else's problem.) Please note that the syntax for voice overlay is different in the two versions I cited above. The abcm2ps-3.7.1 uses the delimitators ( ) -- i.e the same as slurs; the new versions use ( and ) [without spaces], so there is not more that problem with the slurs. - One interesting thing in abcm2ps-3.7.1 description is that and differs as regards the *stem direction* (but this is another story...). Hudson To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] how well supported is the overlay operator
On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 05:53:21PM +, Phil Taylor wrote: On 12 Nov 2004, at 14:07, Richard Robinson wrote: the character is carried straight through to the TeX output and the characters produce a \enotes\notes pair. Thus the input DEFG ABcd A4 e2 c2| produces [2 staves] To explain this to those unfamiliar with MusicTeX, the DEFG are put on the lowest stave. The then tells MusicTeX to move up a stave, where it puts the ABcd. The first notes of each group are aligned. The (or a bar line) moves the output back down to the lowest stave and resets the alignment, so that in this case, the A4 is on the lower stave, and is aligned with the e2 on the upper stave. ah ... related, then, but not altogether similiar. I see - it's a MusicTex function then, rather than part of abc2mtex? Um. I don't know. It was a thing you could write in an ABC tune, once upon a time. -- Richard Robinson The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes - S. Lem To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Overlay operator [New]
Hi/ I recently signed up to this list, and to the digest. Could someone possibly point me to info on accessing the latter, so that I could catch up on current issues? Is there A FAQ, maybe? Thanks. /RWWT On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, at 01:34 AM, Remo D. wrote: I realized that the overlay operator is the only one that moves the time backward. snip>
RE: [abcusers] Overlay operator [New]
http://www.mail-archive.com/abcusers%40argyll.wisemagic.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RWW Taylor Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: RWW Taylor Subject: Re: [abcusers] Overlay operator [New] Hi/ I recently signed up to this list, and to the digest. Could someone possibly point me to info on accessing the latter, so that I could catch up on current issues? Is there A FAQ, maybe? Thanks. /RWWT On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, at 01:34 AM, Remo D. wrote: I realized that the overlay operator is the only one that moves the time backward. snip To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
