Re: [abcusers] Tune archive updated

[Frank Nordberg]

Simon Wascher wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Frank Nordberg wrote: (...)
> > This reminds me, btw. I forgot to list the contributors in my last message:(...)
> > Any corrections and additions to the URL list?
> 
> Yes indeed. this URL is still working but the provider company was
> bought and so they changed all URS

I'll update it.

>( by the way what did you post from my stuff ? I
> could not recive your mail then and am curious :-) )

Two tunes posted by Siomn Wascher. A really nice two part "Steyrer Tanz"
and -
actually I think I'll repost that other one. Simon asked if somebody
knew the title, but nobody was able to answer. Maybe we're lucky
this time?

X:987
T:?
C:anon.
O:Austria?
B:From an Austrian manuscript (1820)
Z:Simon Wascher
%http://www.musicaviva.com/abc/tunes/austria/unknown-180100.abc
%Posted Jan 18th 2000 at abcusers by Simon Wascher with a request for
%identification. So far nobody has been able to help, although John
%Walsh suggested it was similar to "Rosy Finn's Favorite" (see below)
%If you have any information about this tune, please mail me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll forward it.
M:6/8
L:1/8
K:G
Bc|:d2B ddg|b2g dBd|c2A ccf|a2f cAc|d2B ddg|\
b2g dgb|1aba gfe|ded cBA:|2aba gfa|g4:|
W:
W:
W:  From Musica Viva - http://www.musicaviva.com
W:  the Internet center for free sheet music downloads.



Laura Conrad wrote:
> 
> You should have Taco Walstra's lute tab site,
> http://msg.wins.uva.nl/~walstra/ABCArchive/.  Christoph Dalitz, and
> maybe other people did some of the transcribing there.

I'll add it to the Free Sheet Music Directory.
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Re: [abcusers] Tune archive updated

[Laura Conrad]

> "Frank" == Frank Nordberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Frank> Any corrections and additions to the URL list?

You should have Taco Walstra's lute tab site,
http://msg.wins.uva.nl/~walstra/ABCArchive/.  Christoph Dalitz, and
maybe other people did some of the transcribing there.

-- 
Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
http://www.laymusic.org : Putting live music back in the living room.



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Re: [abcusers] Tune archive updated

[Simon Wascher]

Hello,

Frank Nordberg wrote: (...)
> This reminds me, btw. I forgot to list the contributors in my last message:(...)
> Any corrections and additions to the URL list?

Yes indeed. this URL is still working but the provider company was
bought and so they changed all URS from "members.teleweb.at" to
"members.chello.at" ( by the way what did you post from my stuff ? I
could not recive your mail then and am curious :-) )

Simon Wascher - Vienna, Austria
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Re: [abcusers] Tune archive updated

[Frank Nordberg]

Cindy wrote:

>
> In a message dated 3/29/2001 4:37:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
> 
> 
> . Some tunes are not 
> sopyright protected, so I've left them out. Also contributors have 
> occasionaly asked me not to include certain tunes, 
> 
> 
> 
> I would like to hear the reasons why people do not want to have tunes posted.

Looking back, I notice it has actually happened only once. The reason
was - as Laura has already said - that the ABC transciption was a work
in progress and not ready for distibution.

Cindy also wrote:

> 
> Actually,  I had no intentions of arguing or even in disagreeing, nor of 
> dragging anyone into a discussion.  Maybe I wasnt clear in stating that  I 
> was only interested in different people's reason for not wanting their music 
> posted so that I could be more informed when the topic came up, like it did 
> in the workshop this past weekend.

Don't worry Cindy. I think people here understood what you meant. We
aren't always very good at "diplomatic" language here at abcusers, but
we all mean well most of the time ;)


> *** 
> We do not quit playing because we grow old, 
> We grow old because we quit playing. 
> -oliver wendell holmes-

That's one of the best e mail footer quotes I've ever come across :)



This reminds me, btw. I forgot to list the contributors in my last message:

Atte André  http://atteland.cjb.net
John Henckelhttp://geocities.com/jdhenckel/
Philip Rowe http://knottedchord.members.beeb.net 
Bryan Creer http://members.aol.com/abacusmusic/
Simon Wascher   http://members.teleweb.at/simon.wascher/
Phil Taylor http://rbu01.ed-rbu.mrc.ac.uk/barflystuff/barflypage.html
John Chambers   http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/
Nigel Gatherer  http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/index.html
Ian Hallhttp://www.dinglehall.freeserve.co.uk/kyoy
Bruce Olson http://www.erols.com/olsonw
Laura Conradhttp://www.laymusic.org/
Richard Robinsonhttp://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTuneBk/tunebook.html
Robert Bley-Vroman  http://www.lll.hawaii.edu/esl/bley-vroman/contra/
Sigfrid Lundberghttp://www.lub.lu.se/~siglun/
Laurie Griffithshttp://www.musements.co.uk/muse
Frank Nordberg  http://www.musicaviva.com/index.html
Jack Campin http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/jack.html
Johnny Adamshttp://www.salford.ac.uk/media/research/vmpaims.htm
Steve Allen http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/abcmusic/music.html
Bruce Rosen
Christophe Declercq
Dave Holland
David Barnert
Eric Galluzzo
Franck Rouquie'
Gianni Cunich
Ivan Bradley
John Walsh
R. J. Peach
René Quinou
Thomas Keays

Any corrections and additions to the URL list?



Frank Nordberg


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Re: [abcusers] Tune archive updated

[Laura Conrad]

> "CRibet" == CRibet  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

CRibet> In a message dated 3/29/2001 4:37:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
CRibet> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


>> . Some tunes are not
>> sopyright protected, so I've left them out. Also contributors have
>> 

CRibet> I would like to hear the reasons why people do not want to
CRibet> have tunes posted.

I think I'm one of the people Frank is talking about -- I put all the 
music I transcribe on my own website, and occasionally post a small
fragment of something I'm doing to abcusers.  I prefer that the
fragments not be immortalized on someone else's website, both because
the whole piece is usually more useful, and because if I make
corrections or enhancements they won't appear on the other website.  

-- 
Laura (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
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[abcusers] Tune archive updated

[Jack Campin]

>> Some tunes are not [sic]
>> sopyright protected, so I've left them out. Also contributors have 
>> occasionaly asked me not to include certain tunes, 
> I would like to hear the reasons why people do not want to have tunes
> posted.

The point of copyrighting a tune is that you can can only reproduce
it with the copyright-holder's explicit permission.  What their reasons
might be for either allowing or disallowing its free reproduction are
up to them and can only be discovered by actually asking.

That is, there is no point in arguing.  People who don't want their
stuff in the public domain have every right to withhold it without
being dragged into a discussion of the wherefores.  Their rights don't
depend on their reasons.


> And I thought that having them in abc where I could share them would
> be a benefit.   
> And especially if the file has my name on it, unlike "copies" of CDs or  
> cassettes where  most people neglect to add the credits or composer. 

If the tune is fetched by JC's tunefinder in some other format there
is no guarantee it will have your name on it; ABC doesn't presently
*have* any standard way of recording credits (look at the tunes on Paul
Cranford's site for examples of the sort of information that conversion
throws away).  If there were any way to stop it ripping tunes out of
context or converting them on the fly you'd be right, but the likely
fate of any composition of yours you put on the web in ABC right now
is for it to get circulated from hand to hand as "something I found on
the Internet".

BTW, BarFly's macro mechanism has potential as a way of preventing
out-of-context tune extraction.  Define something essential to the
tune as a macro at the start of the file and the result will be
gibberish if anything less than the whole file is retrieved.  Any
chance we can make this part of the standard?

===  ===


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RE: [abcusers] Tune archive updated

[Richard L Walker]

CDs, mp3s and wavs are in one environment, usually related to single
performances from a CD (or another recording).
rms (or real media files) fall into the same category, but are currently of
a lower quality (changing quickly).
abcs, mids (midi file format), and some others are in the last category,
usually related more to documenting the music itself.  You can either play
or produce sheet music from abcs and mids, where you can't from the other
formats.  The abcs and mids enable you to create the other formats (or
simply to play and sing them.)  You can play the abcs and mids, but the
quality is at the mercy of the soundcard and whatever sounds exist for any
instrument.  The piano seems OK; the violin (fiddle) is so bad it makes you
want to cry; others fall in between the extremes.  They won't replace
musicians any time soon.

I would think that folks could credit almost any file type, but rarely do so
if they are making copies of recordings.  The people who document music with
mids sometimes include the credits while the abcs have the most credits.
Hopefully that helps.

"Richard L Walker"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pensacola, FL 32504-7726 USA

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Re: [abcusers] Tune archive updated

[CRibet]

In a message dated 3/29/2001 4:37:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


. Some tunes are not
sopyright protected, so I've left them out. Also contributors have
occasionaly asked me not to include certain tunes, 

I would like to hear the reasons why people do not want to have tunes posted.
This was a question in a workshop I gave this weekend and the subject of 
copyrights came up.   Being a composer and owning a number of copyrights to 
songs and to CDs I would not want them floating around in the napster 
world... maybe not even in the mp3 world...(not knowing too much about either 
mind you..)  but I would want people to play them and sing them.    And I 
thought that having them in abc where I could share them would be a benefit.  
And especially if the file has my name on it, unlike "copies" of CDs or 
cassettes where  most people neglect to add the credits or composer.

Cindy
***
We do not quit playing because we grow old,
We grow old because we quit playing.
-oliver wendell holmes-

[abcusers] Tune archive updated

[Frank Nordberg]

I have just updated the abcusers tune archive at:
http://www.musicaviva.com/abc/abcusers/index.tpl

There's a slightly improved design, much better navication functions,
and of course a lot more tunes.

For those who are new to abcusers, the archive contains the tunes posted
here at this maillist. It's not absolutely complete. Some tunes are not
sopyright protected, so I've left them out. Also contributors have
occasionaly asked me not to include certain tunes, and I've always
respected those wishes. Finally, I don't think I've managed to catch all
the tunes posted before I started the archive.
Even so the total number of tunes are now 206.

I'll especially recommend everybody to have a look at Jack Campin's
postings. He has made it a really nice habit to post some wonderful
music nobody else has ever heard about.


Frank Nordberg
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