Re: [abcusers] ghostnotes
Well Muse has been able to do various note-heads (diamond, cross, square and
normal elliptical) for some time - but there is no way to access that
function from ABC, and if you created it via the GUI and saved it in ABC it
would not save that information. In fact if you then tried to exit it would
warn you that you hadn't really saved it.
I await suggestions.
Laurie Griffiths
http://www.musements.co.uk/muse
where you will find music notation software for PCs.
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From: John Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] ghostnotes
Atte writes:
Is it possible in abcm2ps, which I'm running, to notate ghostnotes, either
with the note in ( and ), with a cross for note head or as a smaller
note?
I doubt it's possible in abcm2ps at the minute. It comes down to
changing the note-head font on demand, which might be a useful feature to
think about.
It turns out that all three of your suggestions can be done in
abc2mtex, tho. This may not do you any good, since abc2mtex doesn't support
voices or multi-staves, which you probably need for jazz transcriptions.
But it _is_ possible to do it---to a certain extent, at least.
I put some examples below to show how it can be done; the necessary
TeX macros are right above the example that uses them. Warning: I haven't
tested these macros on anything but these examples, so I don't know how
generally they work.
The first example uses small noteheads.
To make a note with a small head, when you type out the abc, type
T in front of the note, and an N after, (T for tiny and N for normal
noteheads.) This basically changes the font to small note heads, then
changes it back. There is also a \smallnotesize command, which you can use
in place of \tinynotesize for slightly larger note heads. There is a
limitation to this, tho---it doesn't work in chords, which may be where you
need it, for, as far as I can tell, all of the notes in a chord have the
same notehead size.
This example should show small note-heads for the g in the first
measure and the two E's in the second.
For notes in chords, the prens notation is a better bet. (Matter of
fact, it seems to work better all around.) In the second example, just type
a P (for prens) in front of the ghostnote. The g in the first measure, the
E in the second, and the e in the third should be in prens. Apologies for
the outdated chord notation; I'm still using version 1.5; change +..+ to
[..] if you wish.
(This will look bad if there's an accidental in front of the note,
tho. There should be a separate macro to use on notes with accidentals--it's
just a matter of moving the left-hand pren a little to miss the accidental
sign, but I was too lazy to write it.)
The third example writes the two D's in the first measure and the G
in the second with x-heads. It essentially does the same thing as example
1: changes the note-head font, and changes it back, but MusixTeX doesn't
treat it as a font change so it's a bit trickier to do than example 1.
(And, frankly, I'm cheating: what I did *only* works with quarter notes.
I'm sure it's possible to do it in general, but it may be pretty ugly, since
it would involve redefining a bunch of MusixTeX commands and then restoring
their definitions. Might be worthwhile to actually work it out, since it
could be used for writing percussion lines.) But anyway, in this example,
you get the x-head by typing X immediately before the ghostnote, Y after.
(For a different x-head, uncomment the two lines with percents in front.)
Cheers,
John Walsh
---EXAMPLES-
Run abc2mtex -x on the following, and run it thru
TeX to see how these look. Those definitions above the second
example may be wrapped by the emailer; they should each be on one line.
\normalmusicsize
\def\userTl#1{\tinynotesize}
\def\userTu#1{\tinynotesize}
\def\userNl#1{\normalnotesize}
\def\userNu#1{\normalnotesize}
\def\userN{\normalnotesize}
X:1
T:Small Notes
M:C
K:G
GDDE GTgNed|eTENed BAGTEN||
\font\pfont=cmr10
\def\userPu#1{\zcharnote{#1}{\raise-.3em\hbox{\pfont{\kern-5pt(\kern
8pt)
\def\userPl#1{\zcharnote{#1}{\raise-.3em\hbox{\pfont{\kern-5pt(\kern
8pt)
%%
%%THe two \def's above should each be on one line
%%
X:2
T:Notes in Prens
M:C
K:G
GDDE GPged|e+PEe+ed PBAG+PeE+N||
\input musixper.tex
\let\quaru=\qu
\let\quarl=\ql
%\let\doqu=\xqu
%\let\doql=\xql
\def\userXu#1{\let\qu=\doqu \let\ql=\doql}
\def\userXl#1{\let\ql=\doql \let\ql=doql}
\def\userYu#1{\let\qu=\quaru\let\ql=\quarl}
\def\userYl#1{\let\qu=\quaru\let\ql=\quarl}
\def\userY{\let\qu=\quaru\let\ql=\quarl}
X:3
T:X-Heads
M:C
L:1/4
K:G
G XD D YE |XGY g e d|e E e d||
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Re: [abcusers] ghostnotes
Atte writes:
Is it possible in abcm2ps, which I'm running, to notate ghostnotes, either
with the note in ( and ), with a cross for note head or as a smaller
note?
I doubt it's possible in abcm2ps at the minute. It comes down to
changing the note-head font on demand, which might be a useful feature to
think about.
It turns out that all three of your suggestions can be done in
abc2mtex, tho. This may not do you any good, since abc2mtex doesn't support
voices or multi-staves, which you probably need for jazz transcriptions.
But it _is_ possible to do it---to a certain extent, at least.
I put some examples below to show how it can be done; the necessary
TeX macros are right above the example that uses them. Warning: I haven't
tested these macros on anything but these examples, so I don't know how
generally they work.
The first example uses small noteheads.
To make a note with a small head, when you type out the abc, type
T in front of the note, and an N after, (T for tiny and N for normal
noteheads.) This basically changes the font to small note heads, then
changes it back. There is also a \smallnotesize command, which you can use
in place of \tinynotesize for slightly larger note heads. There is a
limitation to this, tho---it doesn't work in chords, which may be where you
need it, for, as far as I can tell, all of the notes in a chord have the
same notehead size.
This example should show small note-heads for the g in the first
measure and the two E's in the second.
For notes in chords, the prens notation is a better bet. (Matter of
fact, it seems to work better all around.) In the second example, just type
a P (for prens) in front of the ghostnote. The g in the first measure, the
E in the second, and the e in the third should be in prens. Apologies for
the outdated chord notation; I'm still using version 1.5; change +..+ to
[..] if you wish.
(This will look bad if there's an accidental in front of the note,
tho. There should be a separate macro to use on notes with accidentals--it's
just a matter of moving the left-hand pren a little to miss the accidental
sign, but I was too lazy to write it.)
The third example writes the two D's in the first measure and the G
in the second with x-heads. It essentially does the same thing as example
1: changes the note-head font, and changes it back, but MusixTeX doesn't
treat it as a font change so it's a bit trickier to do than example 1.
(And, frankly, I'm cheating: what I did *only* works with quarter notes.
I'm sure it's possible to do it in general, but it may be pretty ugly, since
it would involve redefining a bunch of MusixTeX commands and then restoring
their definitions. Might be worthwhile to actually work it out, since it
could be used for writing percussion lines.) But anyway, in this example,
you get the x-head by typing X immediately before the ghostnote, Y after.
(For a different x-head, uncomment the two lines with percents in front.)
Cheers,
John Walsh
---EXAMPLES-
Run abc2mtex -x on the following, and run it thru
TeX to see how these look. Those definitions above the second
example may be wrapped by the emailer; they should each be on one line.
\normalmusicsize
\def\userTl#1{\tinynotesize}
\def\userTu#1{\tinynotesize}
\def\userNl#1{\normalnotesize}
\def\userNu#1{\normalnotesize}
\def\userN{\normalnotesize}
X:1
T:Small Notes
M:C
K:G
GDDE GTgNed|eTENed BAGTEN||
\font\pfont=cmr10
\def\userPu#1{\zcharnote{#1}{\raise-.3em\hbox{\pfont{\kern-5pt(\kern 8pt)
\def\userPl#1{\zcharnote{#1}{\raise-.3em\hbox{\pfont{\kern-5pt(\kern 8pt)
%%
%%THe two \def's above should each be on one line
%%
X:2
T:Notes in Prens
M:C
K:G
GDDE GPged|e+PEe+ed PBAG+PeE+N||
\input musixper.tex
\let\quaru=\qu
\let\quarl=\ql
%\let\doqu=\xqu
%\let\doql=\xql
\def\userXu#1{\let\qu=\doqu \let\ql=\doql}
\def\userXl#1{\let\ql=\doql \let\ql=doql}
\def\userYu#1{\let\qu=\quaru\let\ql=\quarl}
\def\userYl#1{\let\qu=\quaru\let\ql=\quarl}
\def\userY{\let\qu=\quaru\let\ql=\quarl}
X:3
T:X-Heads
M:C
L:1/4
K:G
G XD D YE |XGY g e d|e E e d||
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Re: [abcusers] ghostnotes
Is it possible in abcm2ps, whish I'm running, to notate ghostnotes,
either with the note in ( and ), with a cross for note head or
as a smaller note?
Gracenotes {} won't do, since that makes a slur to the following note.
That slur is a design bug in abc2ps. No other program makes the same
blunder, and there are fixed versions of abc2ps available.
What's a ghostnote, anyway? When you say crossed noteheads, do you
mean the unpitched notes used to indicate claps, stamps and the like?
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Re: [abcusers] ghostnotes
On Tuesday 11 September 2001 11:19, Jack Campin wrote: That slur is a design bug in abc2ps. No other program makes the same blunder, and there are fixed versions of abc2ps available. Hmmm What's a ghostnote, anyway? Well first I should say that I'm a jazz-musician. A ghostnote is a note that is more felt than heard. Some people find this hard to handle and would argue that either the note is there and you write it or it's not and you don't. But it's common practice to write the note you feel in brackets. This all comes down to transcribing jazz-solos being half transcribing and half analysis - what is the soloist's intention here. For instance you notate laidback phrases as if they were being played right on and maybe put laid back over the passage. When you say crossed noteheads, do you mean the unpitched notes used to indicate claps, stamps and the like? Yeah. Often the note is of uncertain pitch (low notes on a trumpet for instance), so you write crossed notehead normally where the note should be. -- Atte To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
