Hi :)
A vague idea about possibly making money is not a clear objective. It lacks
detail, time-scales, quantities and crucially it lacks urgency.
Isn't IBM Symphony based on OOo? So if OOo is being actively and aggressively
developed then Symphony gains? Otherwise IBM would have to do all the
development itself (or re-base to LO).
Accessibility and Equality issues are making it into legislation in various
countries and requirements that corporate organisations have to at least
pretend to comply with. So, if the transfer of code is delayed then it makes
OOo less viable for corporate clients.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be
wrote:
From: Christophe Strobbe christophe.stro...@esat.kuleuven.be
Subject: (off-topic) Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] IAccessible2 / LibreOffice
/ OpenOffice.org
To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 9 September, 2011, 14:17
At 12:06 9-9-2011, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
I think IBM have a lot of power in this relationship. If Oracle are being
slow about passing IBMs contribution to Apache then i think IBM might be able
to make that happen faster.
I have no evidence that anyone is deliberately being slow. It may simply be a
matter of resources that can be used for it. (But I admit I was beginning to
lose my patience.)
I heard that Oracle and Apache are in court fighting each other at the moment
or fairly recently about things that are nothing to do with OOo. Oracle
seemed to be just playing with OOo without any really clear objectives other
than just trying to make money from it somehow. They seemed to treat it as
though it was a mill-stone around their neck because of it's OpenSource part.
Making money is a very clear objective, if you ask me ;-)
Not making enough money was why Sun got acquired by Oracle in the first place.
(Sun also asked IBM if they wanted to buy them, but IBM said no.)
Apache have a strong passion for projects that are at least partly
OpenSource. IBM seems to need OOo to be developed with strength and
determination to be strongly viable against MS Office rather than just being
allowed to crumble.
Straying off topic once more ;-) :
From IBM's point of view, which office suite should have been that competitor?
OpenOffice.org, IBM Lotus Symphony or both? IBM has an IBM Lotus Symphony
Savings Calculator at
http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/ROICalc.nsf/mainForm.
Not buying MS Office licenses for its 400,000 employees (or a bit less if you
count only those who need an office suite) probably saves IBM enough money to
finance OpenOffice.org / IBM Lotus Symphony development.
So it seems that IBM were able to push Oracle into handing OOo to Apache who
are not struggling as much as Oracle possibly hoped. Perhaps delaying the
transfer of IBM's gift is the most they can do to make things difficult for
Apache? Maybe IBM has some leverage there?
Delaying the IAccessible2 code (if that is what is happening; we don't really
know that; and Dennis Hamilton sent us a URL to the Mercurial CWS'es where that
code may be available) does not benefit Oracle or create difficulties for
Apache, as far as I can tell. The only victims would be people with
disabilities on Windows who want to use a free and/or open source office suite,
and this group is not involved in the lawsuit between Oracle and Apache.
Best regards,
Christophe
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] IAccessible2 / LibreOffice /
OpenOffice.org
To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 9 September, 2011, 3:46
I haven't looked into this issue as much as others, but what's left here
for IBM to do? It sounds like they've already donated the code. BTW, who
in IBM did you contact? I used to know some of the guys working on
accessibility inside IBM.
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