Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libre Inpress

2023-09-26 Thread FARHAN ISHRAK Fahim
>
>
> Thank you. Turning off full screen console resolves the problme. Although
> it is not an idea solution, I can read slide with nvda ocr after opening in
> presentation mode.

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libre Inpress

2023-09-26 Thread Stéphane Guillou

On 26/09/2023 09:46, Michael Weghorn wrote:

Hi,

On 2023-09-25 23:59, Stéphane Guillou wrote:
Thank you for reaching out. I believe that the screen reader issue 
has already been reported by others, at least in three reports (that 
could potentially benefit from some consolidating):


  * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96471
  * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101005
  * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149488


Thanks for pointing to these. I've at least linked them with each 
other for now (via the "See also" field in Bugzilla).


Michael Weghorn might be able to summarise the situation regarding 
the technical aspects.


Marco Zehe provided useful input earlier that I copied to comment 1 in
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149488 back then.

Reading that suggests that making this work properly will likely be 
quite some work in both, LibreOffice and screen readers.


Regarding changing the slides, what controls did you try using? Using 
the keyboard arrows did not work?


Switching the slides using the arrow keys does work for me.
When just using a single screen, nothing is announced, so this may not 
be noticeable for a blind person.


I can confirm what Jason wrote, though:

On 2023-09-25 23:52, Jason White wrote:
> It used to be the case that you needed to run the Presenter Console for
> the presentation to be accessible with a screen reader. I don't know
> whether this has changed in recent years.

If I use a dual screen setup and the presenter console is enabled 
("Tools" -> "Options" -> "LibreOffice Impress" -> "General" -> "Enable 
Presenter Console" is active), at least the newly active slide number 
is announced, e.g. "Current slide, slide 2, 2 of 2". (The slide 
content is not announced then either, though.)


Farhan, are you using a single screen?

Best regards,
Michael


Thanks Michael!

Also note that it is possible since LibreOffice 7.5 to have a windowed 
presenter console, making it usable on a single screen: Tools > Options 
> LibreOffice Impress > General > Presentation > Fullscreen 
Presentation Console (turn this off).


Best

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libre Inpress

2023-09-26 Thread Michael Weghorn

Hi,

On 2023-09-25 23:59, Stéphane Guillou wrote:
Thank you for reaching out. I believe that the screen reader issue has 
already been reported by others, at least in three reports (that could 
potentially benefit from some consolidating):


  * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96471
  * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101005
  * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149488


Thanks for pointing to these. I've at least linked them with each other 
for now (via the "See also" field in Bugzilla).


Michael Weghorn might be able to summarise the situation regarding the 
technical aspects.


Marco Zehe provided useful input earlier that I copied to comment 1 in
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149488 back then.

Reading that suggests that making this work properly will likely be 
quite some work in both, LibreOffice and screen readers.


Regarding changing the slides, what controls did you try using? Using 
the keyboard arrows did not work?


Switching the slides using the arrow keys does work for me.
When just using a single screen, nothing is announced, so this may not 
be noticeable for a blind person.


I can confirm what Jason wrote, though:

On 2023-09-25 23:52, Jason White wrote:
> It used to be the case that you needed to run the Presenter Console for
> the presentation to be accessible with a screen reader. I don't know
> whether this has changed in recent years.

If I use a dual screen setup and the presenter console is enabled 
("Tools" -> "Options" -> "LibreOffice Impress" -> "General" -> "Enable 
Presenter Console" is active), at least the newly active slide number is 
announced, e.g. "Current slide, slide 2, 2 of 2". (The slide content is 
not announced then either, though.)


Farhan, are you using a single screen?

Best regards,
Michael

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libre Inpress

2023-09-25 Thread FARHAN ISHRAK Fahim
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> Thank you. I have tried pressing arrow keys but does not change.

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libre Inpress

2023-09-25 Thread Jason White
It used to be the case that you needed to run the Presenter Console for 
the presentation to be accessible with a screen reader. I don't know 
whether this has changed in recent years.


On 25/9/23 13:02, FARHAN ISHRAK Fahim wrote:

Hello everyone,
I am using windows 10 22h2, nvda 2023.2 and LibreOffice 7.5.4.2. Today, I
tried Libre impress. I think that we can use it to create and present
slides. I cannot read the slides after opening presentation mode. I also
could not change the slide in this mode. Could anyone guide me in this
regard?



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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libre Inpress

2023-09-25 Thread Stéphane Guillou

On 25/09/2023 20:02, FARHAN ISHRAK Fahim wrote:

Hello everyone,
I am using windows 10 22h2, nvda 2023.2 and LibreOffice 7.5.4.2. Today, I
tried Libre impress. I think that we can use it to create and present
slides. I cannot read the slides after opening presentation mode. I also
could not change the slide in this mode. Could anyone guide me in this
regard?


(apologies for the noise, sending again in case Farhan is not on the list)

Hi Farhan

Thank you for reaching out. I believe that the screen reader issue has 
already been reported by others, at least in three reports (that could 
potentially benefit from some consolidating):


 * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96471
 * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101005
 * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149488

Michael Weghorn might be able to summarise the situation regarding the 
technical aspects.


Regarding changing the slides, what controls did you try using? Using 
the keyboard arrows did not work?


Best regards

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Libre Inpress

2023-09-25 Thread Stéphane Guillou

On 25/09/2023 20:02, FARHAN ISHRAK Fahim wrote:

Hello everyone,
I am using windows 10 22h2, nvda 2023.2 and LibreOffice 7.5.4.2. Today, I
tried Libre impress. I think that we can use it to create and present
slides. I cannot read the slides after opening presentation mode. I also
could not change the slide in this mode. Could anyone guide me in this
regard?


Hi Farhan

Thank you for reaching out. I believe that the screen reader issue has 
already been reported by others, at least in three reports (that could 
potentially benefit from some consolidating):


 * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96471
 * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101005
 * https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149488

Michael Weghorn might be able to summarise the situation regarding the 
technical aspects.


Regarding changing the slides, what controls did you try using? Using 
the keyboard arrows did not work?


Best regards

--
Stéphane Guillou
Quality Assurance Analyst | The Document Foundation

Email:stephane.guil...@libreoffice.org
Mobile (France): +33 7 79 67 18 72
Matrix: @stragu:matrix.org
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[libreoffice-accessibility] Libre Inpress

2023-09-25 Thread FARHAN ISHRAK Fahim
Hello everyone,
I am using windows 10 22h2, nvda 2023.2 and LibreOffice 7.5.4.2. Today, I
tried Libre impress. I think that we can use it to create and present
slides. I cannot read the slides after opening presentation mode. I also
could not change the slide in this mode. Could anyone guide me in this
regard?

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