Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Notes on LibreOffice 24.2 under Linux with Orca, GNOME 45.7
On 23/2/24 10:19, Michael Weghorn wrote: By the way, do you know whether the issues you report are regressions, i.e. whether they were working correctly earlier? And if so: Do you know with what versions of LibreOffice and/or Orca? The source of the footnote keyboard accessibility issue has been tracked down and now appears in the bug entry. For the GTK 3 label problem, I don't know whether there is a regression. However, I think there ought to be tools for detecting this kind of trivial accessibility bug. I'm not a frequent user of LibreOffice, and it's mostly for working with other peoples' documents. My own writing is mostly in LaTeX, Markdown or HTML format, in Git repositories. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Notes on LibreOffice 24.2 under Linux with Orca, GNOME 45.7
On 2024-02-24 01:06, Jason J.G. White wrote: On 23/2/24 11:25, Jason J.G. White wrote: Yes, I'll submit a bug report. There's no screen reader output or any other indication after issuing Ctrl-Shift-Pgdn. I've created https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 Thanks! For the lack of proper announcement of the buttons in the navigator, I've now created the following bug report and am working on a fix: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159910 (See there for further updates) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Notes on LibreOffice 24.2 under Linux with Orca, GNOME 45.7
On 23/2/24 11:25, Jason J.G. White wrote: Yes, I'll submit a bug report. There's no screen reader output or any other indication after issuing Ctrl-Shift-Pgdn. I've created https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159863 The bug describes the accessibility-related use cases. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Notes on LibreOffice 24.2 under Linux with Orca, GNOME 45.7
On 23/2/24 10:11, Michael Weghorn wrote: 1) When the Navigator is undocked, i.e. in a separate window, F5 brings focus to it and the focus announcement works as expected. I was able to achieve this result by deleting my LibreOffice configuration (rm -rf ~/.config/libreoffice). 2) When its docked (e.g. to the left side of the Writer window), F5 toggles the navigator on/off, but doesn't bring focus to it. In that case, F6 can be used until you end up at the navigator, then move around there using the tab and arrow keys. At least on the tree, focus announcement works. (With orca main, there's an extra "Navigator" announcement before the actual tree element that I don't get with the version from Debian testing, but it generally works with both.) Another strategy, at least in GNOME, is to use Alt-` to move focus to the Navigator window. There are unlabelled toggle buttons, but no tree object. I can reproduce this for many of the UI elements above the tree view in the navigator with the gtk3 variant of LibreOffice (which uses native Gtk widgets), but not when non-native VCL widgets are used, e.g. when using the qt6 variant. In the latter case, the quick help/tooltip text is used for the accessible name as well (code pointer: VCLXAccessibleToolBoxItem::getAccessibleName and VCLXAccessibleToolBoxItem::GetText). I expect the Arch Linux package I'm running was built with GTK3. 2. Also in Writer, Shift-Pgdn is supposed to move into the footnote area, but doesn't achieve anything. With apologies, that should be Ctrl-Shift-Pgdn, which is listed in the documentation but isn't working for me. I confirm this is mentioned in the help [1], but doesn't do what is described there. For me, Ctrl+Shift+PageDown zooms out of the document (and Ctrl+Shift+PageUp zooms in). However, when I manually assign this shortcut via "Tools" -> "Customize" -> "Keyboard", this works to jump to the footnotes. (I assigned Shift+ Ctrl + PageDown to the "Navigate" -> "Edit Footnote/Endnote" function.) Could you possibly create a bug report in Bugzilla so this can be tracked? (Somebody more knowledgeable will have to decide whether the current behavior is correct and it's a documentation/help bug or whether the help is correct and the behavior is wrong.) Yes, I'll submit a bug report. There's no screen reader output or any other indication after issuing Ctrl-Shift-Pgdn. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Notes on LibreOffice 24.2 under Linux with Orca, GNOME 45.7
On 2024-02-21 18:58, Jason J.G. White wrote: I noticed a few issues that may be Orca or LibreOffice-related - I don't know which is responsible. Orca is undergoing extensive development at the moment, which I'm testing by running the latest code from the main branch. By the way, do you know whether the issues you report are regressions, i.e. whether they were working correctly earlier? And if so: Do you know with what versions of LibreOffice and/or Orca? This info could be quite useful for any further analysis. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Notes on LibreOffice 24.2 under Linux with Orca, GNOME 45.7
On 2024-02-21 18:58, Jason J.G. White wrote: I noticed a few issues that may be Orca or LibreOffice-related - I don't know which is responsible. Orca is undergoing extensive development at the moment, which I'm testing by running the latest code from the main branch. Thank you for reporting these. 1. In LibreOffice Writer, if I issue the F5 command to start the Navigator, focus moves there, but I can't bring focus to the tree of objects to be navigated, either with Tab/Shift-Tab or with cursor keys. In my tests (current LibreOffice development version and either current Orca development version or the version from Debian testing, which is 45.2-1), it behaves like this: 1) When the Navigator is undocked, i.e. in a separate window, F5 brings focus to it and the focus announcement works as expected. 2) When its docked (e.g. to the left side of the Writer window), F5 toggles the navigator on/off, but doesn't bring focus to it. In that case, F6 can be used until you end up at the navigator, then move around there using the tab and arrow keys. At least on the tree, focus announcement works. (With orca main, there's an extra "Navigator" announcement before the actual tree element that I don't get with the version from Debian testing, but it generally works with both.) There are unlabelled toggle buttons, but no tree object. I can reproduce this for many of the UI elements above the tree view in the navigator with the gtk3 variant of LibreOffice (which uses native Gtk widgets), but not when non-native VCL widgets are used, e.g. when using the qt6 variant. In the latter case, the quick help/tooltip text is used for the accessible name as well (code pointer: VCLXAccessibleToolBoxItem::getAccessibleName and VCLXAccessibleToolBoxItem::GetText). Unfortunately, for the case that the navigator is undocked, F6 initially ends up on UI elements without an accessible name, making it harder to realize that you're in the navigator. In my case, I get to the navigator when pressing F6 while the focus is in Writer's formatting toolbar. Once there, Ctrl+Shift+F10 can be used to undock, and get the probably more helpful variant 1) of the undocked navigator mentioned above. Help page mentioning this: https://help.libreoffice.org/24.2/en-US/text/swriter/guide/resize_navigator.html?=SHARED=UNIX I plan to look into this a bit further as I find time (in particular the missing accessible names), but does this help as a workaround for now at least? On 2024-02-21 19:19, Jason J.G. White wrote: 2. Also in Writer, Shift-Pgdn is supposed to move into the footnote area, but doesn't achieve anything. With apologies, that should be Ctrl-Shift-Pgdn, which is listed in the documentation but isn't working for me. I confirm this is mentioned in the help [1], but doesn't do what is described there. For me, Ctrl+Shift+PageDown zooms out of the document (and Ctrl+Shift+PageUp zooms in). However, when I manually assign this shortcut via "Tools" -> "Customize" -> "Keyboard", this works to jump to the footnotes. (I assigned Shift+ Ctrl + PageDown to the "Navigate" -> "Edit Footnote/Endnote" function.) Could you possibly create a bug report in Bugzilla so this can be tracked? (Somebody more knowledgeable will have to decide whether the current behavior is correct and it's a documentation/help bug or whether the help is correct and the behavior is wrong.) [1] For reference, the help page mentioning this: https://help.libreoffice.org/24.2/en-US/text/swriter/guide/footnote_usage.html?DbPAR=WRITER -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Notes on LibreOffice 24.2 under Linux with Orca, GNOME 45.7
On 21/2/24 12:58, Jason J.G. White wrote: 2. Also in Writer, Shift-Pgdn is supposed to move into the footnote area, but doesn't achieve anything. With apologies, that should be Ctrl-Shift-Pgdn, which is listed in the documentation but isn't working for me. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-accessibility] Notes on LibreOffice 24.2 under Linux with Orca, GNOME 45.7
Thank you for all of the ongoing work on LibreOffice accessibility. I noticed a few issues that may be Orca or LibreOffice-related - I don't know which is responsible. Orca is undergoing extensive development at the moment, which I'm testing by running the latest code from the main branch. 1. In LibreOffice Writer, if I issue the F5 command to start the Navigator, focus moves there, but I can't bring focus to the tree of objects to be navigated, either with Tab/Shift-Tab or with cursor keys. There are unlabelled toggle buttons, but no tree object. 2. Also in Writer, Shift-Pgdn is supposed to move into the footnote area, but doesn't achieve anything. Any insights? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: accessibility+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
